Matchmaker Discussion Thread & MM Balance

[Animalul2012]

This and WOT need +1, -1 so bad and a forced" if not top tier this game then next you will surely bee. And who ever spoke about that 30-40% of the time being top tier... it is false, no such as thing as that, matchmaker is just a random mess. This aint the first time and I am surely that there are thousands of others in the same biscuit: 8 matches played in row, not a SINGLE ONE WAS I TOP TIER. AMAZING MATCHMAKING. See it for your self:https://imgur.com/a/kROWo7d

 

[Smegger213]

I want to know about the so called logarithm that stops you being put as bottom tier after so many games.

 

Specifically, does it span multiple game sessions?

Because if it doesn't, then players like me that only play a few games (less than 10) in any one game session are screwed.

We will never accumulate enough games for the logarithm to take into account in the matchmaker.

In other words, its useless.

 

Can any Wargaming employer confirm or deny this?

[ColonelPete]

12 minutes ago, Smegger213 said:

I want to know about the so called logarithm that stops you being put as bottom tier after so many games.

 

Specifically, does it span multiple game sessions?

Because if it doesn't, then players like me that only play a few games (less than 10) in any one game session are screwed.

We will never accumulate enough games for the logarithm to take into account in the matchmaker.

In other words, its useless.

 

Can any Wargaming employer confirm or deny this?

Yes, the algorithm considers multiple game sessions.

[Smegger213]

1 minute ago, ColonelPete said:

Yes, the algorithm considers multiple game sessions.

I did not ask for your opinion.

I want to hear it from the horses mouth, because I do not believe a word of it.

What if I play 5 games today, then not play any more games for a week or even a month?

Do you really think the servers will keep a record of that?

[ColonelPete]

2 hours ago, Smegger213 said:

I did not ask for your opinion.

I want to hear it from the horses mouth, because I do not believe a word of it.

What if I play 5 games today, then not play any more games for a week or even a month?

Do you really think the servers will keep a record of that?

That is not my opinion. That is how the system works according to WG.

And if you do not believe a word, what does it matter if they tell you again? It is just pointless.

And yes, the server keeps records of your battles. That is how stats sites can get information about your battles and list them...

[Smegger213]

2 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

That is not my opinion. That is how the system works according to WG.

And if you do not believe a word, what does it matter if they tell you again? It is just pointless.

And yes, the server keeps records if your battles. That is how stats sites can get information about your battles and list them...

You may as well shut up pal.

 

I asked for someone from Wargaming to answer my question.

Not a Mr know it all player.

[ColonelPete]

4 minutes ago, Smegger213 said:

You may as well shut up pal.

 

I asked for someone from Wargaming to answer my question.

Not a Mr know it all player.

Since you would not believe that answer, according to you own post, your question is utterly pointless and redundant.

 

Looks like you are not the best judge about who should stop posting...

[Capt_okieH]

[edited]off WG, you and your stupid Idiot MM...go to Hell

[Capt_okieH]

Vor 22 Stunden, Animalul2012 sagte:

This and WOT need +1, -1 so bad and a forced" if not top tier this game then next you will surely bee. And who ever spoke about that 30-40% of the time being top tier... it is false, no such as thing as that, matchmaker is just a random mess. This aint the first time and I am surely that there are thousands of others in the same biscuit: 8 matches played in row, not a SINGLE ONE WAS I TOP TIER. AMAZING MATCHMAKING. See it for your self:https://imgur.com/a/kROWo7d

 

Can be much much worse than that..loosing in a Row like you have a L on your Face...

[lup3s]

Yesterday - while playing T6/T7 - I was top tier in nearly all my battles ! Where are my bottom tier battles so I can get more XP ? WG fix your MM !

[JeTBarionIV]

Best way to lose money and in the long run also players...

Well done WG!!

 

[deathsadow]

1 hour ago, JeTBarionIV said:

Best way to lose money and in the long run also players...

Well done WG!!

 

What do you expect from WG ? 

 

They are the guys who made:

• The awesome CV rework
• The great Captain rework with Dead Eye
• Added the fun and balanced subs , which they buff each patch 
• Come up with the absolutely not OP Super ships and the fans favourite Super CVs

WG is soo good at making things worse out of pure greed that EA and Blizard looks like inocent kittens next to them. This company is really made out of the worst scum of the industry, and they will eventually find a way to finally kill this game for good.

[buttonF1]

Add a F#%$  mechanic that will tell you if i will have crap day or good day  playing  and not waste my time on this horrible MM

[MarChil]

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1) It's the playerbase

2) All is balanced

3) Buy a shiny new premium to solve any problems

4) If in doubt, see points 1, 2 and 3

 

We are now closing this and 0 trucks are given.

 

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[SkipperCH]

Removed 2 posts for insults.

[mns_2_tuga64]

Just to show you how MM plays balanced games and tries to make sure that whoever loses the next game in a slightly stronger team...hmmm I forgot the MM doesn't care if they are noobs or pros it matters is they pay anything from time to time .

[MarChil]

32 minutes ago, mns_2_tuga64 said:

Just to show you how MM plays balanced games and tries to make sure that whoever loses the next game in a slightly stronger team...hmmm I forgot the MM doesn't care if they are noobs or pros it matters is they pay anything from time to time .

 

You assume WG has the competence to even make such a system... Well, their lack of skill is prob the only reason MM isn't rigged to pay...

[Buhu_Real]

Another example of great MM...all DIVs in 1 team. WG destroying the game continues...keep pumping out content to sell!!! GJ WG.

[MarChil]

23 hours ago, Buhu_Real said:

Another example of great MM...all DIVs in 1 team. WG destroying the game continues...keep pumping out content to sell!!! GJ WG.

 

 

On 8/15/2022 at 4:12 PM, MarChil said:

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1) It's the playerbase

2) All is balanced

3) Buy a shiny new premium to solve any problems

4) If in doubt, see points 1, 2 and 3

 

We are now closing this and 0 trucks are given.

 

P.S. Don't forget to spend some money, we are in need of a bit more

 

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[Artsept_me]

This Brawl MM seems to be not equal with DIVs (that can cooperate) all in one team. And that is happening too often in Brawls.

 

[lup3s]

Couple of days ago I won nearly all my battles .. do I have to blame MM now ? 

[deathsadow]

If the MM is random how comes that i can predict 90% of my games outcome just from the MM monitor ? I didnt used too large of a shample but out of my last 50 games in 45 i predicted the winer side on the loading screen. Maybe im just an odd player, but i prefer if the games have teams of similar strenght and not that when one side is so much superior that they win before it even started.

 

I dont think WG actually rigg MM or anything ... but this MM is the worst i yet to ever see... and makes the game feel more like a slot machine than an actual PvP game ... Press "Battle" RNG give you resoults , you play a bit but it has little to 0 impact as the game is a rolfstomp & repeat.

 

I will check my next 100 games too on how well i can predict & how easy it is to predict each games, sofar it is the divisions which make it easy to predict ... Green or above players in divi = instant win.

[ColonelPete]

24 minutes ago, deathsadow said:

If the MM is random how comes that i can predict 90% of my games outcome just from the MM monitor ? I didnt used too large of a shample but out of my last 50 games in 45 i predicted the winer side on the loading screen. Maybe im just an odd player, but i prefer if the games have teams of similar strenght and not that when one side is so much superior that they win before it even started.

 

I dont think WG actually rigg MM or anything ... but this MM is the worst i yet to ever see... and makes the game feel more like a slot machine than an actual PvP game ... Press "Battle" RNG give you resoults , you play a bit but it has little to 0 impact as the game is a rolfstomp & repeat.

 

I will check my next 100 games too on how well i can predict & how easy it is to predict each games, sofar it is the divisions which make it easy to predict ... Green or above players in divi = instant win.

After the teammates are selected, it is not random anymore. The 24 players do not change during the match...

 

And when you predict with a 90% certainty, then you follow the numbers of the monitor, which is a self-fullfilling prophecy, especially when you have 0 impact. Play for the win, not the MM monitor.

[deathsadow]

18 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

After the teammates are selected, it is not random anymore. The 24 players do not change during the match...

 

And when you predict with a 90% certainty, then you follow the numbers of the monitor, which is a self-fullfilling prophecy, especially when you have 0 impact. Play for the win, not the MM monitor.

Usually i play for the maxium base exp as the rewards are tied for to that, the only thing i change according to the MM monitor is that how agressive i play. If there are many red players on the enemy team i take much more risk as their lack of skill will be a buffer for my possible overextension, if they are mostly decent players i just play safe, as they could easily punish for overextension with their better positioning and aim.Regardless of the MM i will try to farm dmg on the ships with lower base HP like DDs and CL  & dont really just fire farm big fat BBs with a heal ,  if i can do a 4k salvo into a 20k HP DD thats better reward than 15k fire dmg into a 100k HP BB. 

 

As for the "Play for the win, not the MM monitor." part , i dont think that would change much for the better, if the MM monitor says EZ win , it is just better to farm base exp, and make yolo plays since you win anyways, so why play more safely ? If the MM monitor says that the enemy team will dumpster your team, that it is better playing safe as most likely i will not get much support for a more agressive push from the red bois who will just lemming to one place & wait till they get killed , in that case it is just better to farm with HE in the early game & maybe pick up a kill or 2 towards the end of the match.

 

And yeah not 0 impact im one out of 24 players so the game depend on me for about 4.16% +/-RNG.

[ColonelPete]

4 minutes ago, deathsadow said:

Usually i play for the maxium base exp as the rewards are tied for to that, the only thing i change according to the MM monitor is that how agressive i play. If there are many red players on the enemy team i take much more risk as their lack of skill will be a buffer for my possible overextension, if they are mostly decent players i just play safe, as they could easily punish for overextension with their better positioning and aim.Regardless of the MM i will try to farm dmg on the ships with lower base HP like DDs and CL  & dont really just fire farm big fat BBs with a heal ,  if i can do a 4k salvo into a 20k HP DD thats better reward than 15k fire dmg into a 100k HP BB. 

 

As for the "Play for the win, not the MM monitor." part , i dont think that would change much for the better, if the MM monitor says EZ win , it is just better to farm base exp, and make yolo plays since you win anyways, so why play more safely ? If the MM monitor says that the enemy team will dumpster your team, that it is better playing safe as most likely i will not get much support for a more agressive push from the red bois who will just lemming to one place & wait till they get killed , in that case it is just better to farm with HE in the early game & maybe pick up a kill or 2 towards the end of the match.

 

And yeah not 0 impact im one out of 24 players so the game depend on me for about 4.16% +/-RNG.

Playing for Base XP results in playing too safe. Sometimes you have to risk to get sunk to win.

And yes, 4.16% impact is not enough.