Matchmaker Discussion Thread & MM Balance

[grizzlyone]

 

30 minutes ago, Bear__Necessities said:

 

 

Some of us like and enjoy the challenge of being up tiered. And only T10 v T10, all the time? Boring as F***.

No doubt, but your stats also shows you twice as much like to play T10s in Random than T8s. Also doesn't show how much damage did you make against the upper tiers.

But again, that's your fun, after many years of playing. I don't think newbies like me have the same expectations on what fun is at their skill level.

[Bear__Necessities]

5 minutes ago, grizzlyone said:

 

No doubt, but your stats also shows you twice as much like to play T10s in Random than T8s. Also doesn't show how much damage did you make against the upper tiers.

But again, that's your fun, after many years of playing. I don't think newbies like me have the same expectations on what fun is at their skill level.

To be honest I play a lot of T10 to purely to keep my skills in the ships at that tier up to scratch as CW is normally always T10. I like T7/8/9 far more. All the fun ships for me live in those tier brackets. 

[grizzlyone]

8 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

I have no problem with fighting higher Tiers.

That's why I am the one who suggests a change, not you. :] We are not at the same skill level, are we? So why I can't have battles with players who are just slightly above my level?

 

8 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Your suggestion will not happen, as too many players would opt out of the challenge.

If the discrepancy between skills and ship at the same time (T10 premium ships are usually not in the arsenal of newbies like myself) is not a challenge. Doing 12 rounds as an amateur against a pro boxer two weight classes up is neither a challenge nor fun. The other way round, maybe.

 

8 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Which ship cannot hurt another? And when one is a new player and Tier VIII is too much for you, one can play a lower Tier.

It is not T8 is much for me but T10 when I am inT8. And when I am in a T8, I have no fun sinking T6s.

You can say it is a personal preference, but you will only know it when you actually ask the users.

[ColonelPete]

6 minutes ago, grizzlyone said:

That's why I am the one who suggests a change, not you. :] We are not at the same skill level, are we? So why I can't have battles with players who are just slightly above my level?

 

If the discrepancy between skills and ship at the same time (T10 premium ships are usually not in the arsenal of newbies like myself) is not a challenge. Doing 12 rounds as an amateur against a pro boxer two weight classes up is neither a challenge nor fun. The other way round, maybe.

 

It is not T8 is much for me but T10 when I am inT8. And when I am in a T8, I have no fun sinking T6s.

You can say it is a personal preference, but you will only know it when you actually ask the users.

You can select a Tier that fits your skill level.

When you select Tier VIII, it should be obvious that there is a good chance to play against more veteran players.

[grizzlyone]

3 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

When you select Tier VIII, it should be obvious that there is a good chance to play against more veteran players.

Noone complained about more veteran players of the same tier. The gist of what I wrote is that I gain no experience, no fun in playing against two-tier up ships or especially when they are premium. These are clearly more experienced players than I am with a much better ship. If that's bullying, I don't know what it is, but I don't enjoy it. What I don't enjoy, I don't use anymore. Because I see similar complaints from others, I don't see what these users will miss out on if playing against upper tiers would be optional.

 

There is no need to twist and find inconsistency in my words. I am here for entertainment and not for winning an argument.

[ColonelPete]

3 minutes ago, grizzlyone said:

Noone complained about more veteran players of the same tier. The gist of what I wrote is that I gain no experience, no fun in playing against two-tier up ships or especially when they are premium. These are clearly more experienced players than I am with a much better ship. If that's bullying, I don't know what it is, but I don't enjoy it.

Then play a different Tier.

And this generalization about premiums ships just shows that you do not know the ships well, not all are good and many are weaker than some techtree ships.

[RuruushuVuiBuritania]

You get extra XP (and credits?) for doing well as a bottom tier ship. And they make for great stories and excitement. Deleted a Hurricane clan Des Moines with my Z-23 today and I haven't felt that good in a while. 

[EgyptOverseer]

Is there any special mission or event going on for CVs? I have had like 90% CV matches, even with double T8 CVs too...

[Bear__Necessities]

Playing solo. Bottom tier. MM says my team should lose.

 

 

We didn't. "BuT mM iS rIgGeD"....

 

[EgyptOverseer]

3 hours ago, Bear__Necessities said:

Playing solo. Bottom tier. MM says my team should lose.

 

 

We didn't. "BuT mM iS rIgGeD"....

 

So your point is that the russian CVs are so overpowered that they can win 1v12 on a team with less than 50% average WR? 

[Bear__Necessities]

14 minutes ago, EgyptOverseer said:

So your point is that the russian CVs are so overpowered that they can win 1v12 on a team with less than 50% average WR? 

No. The point is every rant and moan about cheats cherry picks a MM like this when they lose. The NEVER show the ones where they won. Which they won't ever because it would show MM is balanced by being random. And according to some CV's are balanced.... And the CV did not win 1 v 12. The fact I killed their CV early and drew 4 ships away was a huge factor. Hence top score finish. 

[MacFergus]

On 2/2/2022 at 11:03 PM, RuruushuVuiBuritania said:

You get extra XP (and credits?) for doing well as a bottom tier ship. And they make for great stories and excitement. Deleted a Hurricane clan Des Moines with my Z-23 today and I haven't felt that good in a while. 

Yea that used to be fun till WG decided flood the high tiers with gimmicks and 457mm guns , I would say taking a tier 8 ship into a 10 match not a fun experience anymore but in the past it was. 

 

Only really skilled people can make a tier 8 ship work at higher tiers which means the rest of us plebs have to suffer being cannon fodder for the sake few less seconds in the que imo.

[RuruushuVuiBuritania]

8 hours ago, MacFergus said:

Yea that used to be fun till WG decided flood the high tiers with gimmicks and 457mm guns , I would say taking a tier 8 ship into a 10 match not a fun experience anymore but in the past it was. 

 

Only really skilled people can make a tier 8 ship work at higher tiers which means the rest of us plebs have to suffer being cannon fodder for the sake few less seconds in the que imo.

Except it is still very much possible? I am not an amazing player and I can do it, so no one else can feasibly have an excuse. You just have to play the right class to make the game impact, hence it is best to play DDs.

[Fatal_Ramses]

Good luck WG getting new players!

I forgot there was a reason why non of my friends longer play this game.

 

fix your effing MM.

[EgyptOverseer]

22 hours ago, Bear__Necessities said:

No. The point is every rant and moan about cheats cherry picks a MM like this when they lose. The NEVER show the ones where they won. Which they won't ever because it would show MM is balanced by being random. And according to some CV's are balanced.... And the CV did not win 1 v 12. The fact I killed their CV early and drew 4 ships away was a huge factor. Hence top score finish. 

But he still lost 89 planes and managed to kill 6 enemies, so surely this is an important thing to note?

[RuruushuVuiBuritania]

2 hours ago, Fatal_Ramses said:

Good luck WG getting new players!

 

I forgot there was a reason why non of my friends longer play this game.

 

fix your effing MM.

Yeah, WG will get a lot of new players if you play sealclubbing ships and still fail to carry your team...

[Fatal_Ramses]

7 hours ago, RuruushuVuiBuritania said:

Yeah, WG will get a lot of new players if you play sealclubbing ships and still fail to carry your team...

Oh yes, those ships totally are the kind you should always win 1v12 situations...

[RuruushuVuiBuritania]

11 hours ago, Fatal_Ramses said:

Oh yes, those ships totally are the kind you should always win 1v12 situations...

Just sealclub harder, lmao. What do you think will scare new players off more: MM that they do not get to see until a good amount of wins and tiers in or people that can start to sealclub them as soon as the noob protection wears off?

[Fatal_Ramses]

1 hour ago, RuruushuVuiBuritania said:

Just sealclub harder, lmao. What do you think will scare new players off more: MM that they do not get to see until a good amount of wins and tiers in or people that can start to sealclub them as soon as the noob protection wears off?

Yup, thats me! Sealclubber Supreme. Its not like I'm trying to help a friend with a new line or like I've sold all my other III and IV ships cause of the double CVs in IV.

 

Landslide after landslide will drive everyone off.

[Ew0kman]

Why is the game rigged?   
 

you get the feeling that it is not about skills anymore, but pure luck, and ofcourse pay to win.

 

and Why make a ship like schliffen that dies so unbeliavebly easy,   Even with a level 21commander .  
 

 

[ColonelPete]

4 minutes ago, kenalb said:

Why is the game rigged?   
 

you get the feeling that it is not about skills anymore, but pure luck, and ofcourse pay to win.

 

and Why make a ship like schliffen that dies so unbeliavebly easy,   Even with a level 21commander .  

And still the good players win more, especially in Schliefen.

[RuruushuVuiBuritania]

2 hours ago, kenalb said:

Why is the game rigged?   
 

you get the feeling that it is not about skills anymore, but pure luck, and ofcourse pay to win.

 

and Why make a ship like schliffen that dies so unbeliavebly easy,   Even with a level 21commander .  
 

 

The game is pay to progress, there is a difference. Maybe the problem is between chair and keyboard?

[SV_Kompresor]

2 hours ago, kenalb said:

Why is the game rigged?   
 

you get the feeling that it is not about skills anymore, but pure luck, and ofcourse pay to win.

 

and Why make a ship like schliffen that dies so unbeliavebly easy,   Even with a level 21commander .  
 

 

You mean pay to lose?

[Bear__Necessities]

7 hours ago, kenalb said:

Why is the game rigged?   
 

you get the feeling that it is not about skills anymore, but pure luck, and ofcourse pay to win.

 

and Why make a ship like schliffen that dies so unbeliavebly easy,   Even with a level 21commander .  
 

 

Right... so, why do players still manage really good win rates, playing solo and in tech line ships.... Kinda disproves all your tin foil hat thoughts in one. 

[BreadLed]

On 2/3/2022 at 7:24 PM, Bear__Necessities said:

Playing solo. Bottom tier. MM says my team should lose.

To be honest there was only 1% difference in WR between accounts (ships WR you showing in colours have too low sample size to be meaningful) and unicum DD captain like you plus unicum CV can overcome much more then that.