Matchmaker Discussion Thread & MM Balance

[Silfuin]

Thanks for hints.

To understand better, what would you consider acceptable damage done in a DD?

As for surviving I generally last until the end ... generally, there are exceptions, but they are becoming rare as time passes.
Problem with russian DDs is that at end of game I must still expose myself to damage the enemy, and I'm not that good at dodging incoming fire.

[Silfuin]

One thing I suffer really bad is radars and CVs. I often get caught by them and obliterated.
If I play cautiously then I do no damage and am overall not helpful to my team, then I decide I must do something and inevitably I get radared and erased.

It seems in fact I do better in lower tiers where radars are not so common.

 

[ColonelPete]

30 minutes ago, Silfuin said:

One thing I suffer really bad is radars and CVs. I often get caught by them and obliterated.
If I play cautiously then I do no damage and am overall not helpful to my team, then I decide I must do something and inevitably I get radared and erased.

It seems in fact I do better in lower tiers where radars are not so common.

You are helpful by staying alive and doing damage later. It also allows you to get caps later, that surviving BB cannot cap.

It also helps to learn how to evade plane detection and their attacks. Radar ships can be anticipated, often even spotted in time, and one has to learn how to get out alive when getting radared. That way you can stay alive AND do damage.

[EgyptOverseer]

About 90% of my battles today I was bottom tier, regardless of tier of my ship (played T5 to T9). Only my T9 matches I was not bottom tier. One match had all T8, and CVs were in 75% of matches.

 

There seems to be a flooding of T8s and trick T9 divisions with a T8 CV to cheat the MM by not allowing double CVs at T10.

 

About 80% of the matches were over before halfway on the clock, all domination matches.

[Silfuin]

4 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

You are helpful by staying alive and doing damage later. It also allows you to get caps later, that surviving BB cannot cap.

It also helps to learn how to evade plane detection and their attacks. Radar ships can be anticipated, often even spotted in time, and one has to learn how to get out alive when getting radared. That way you can stay alive AND do damage.

What happens if "later" your team has only a handful of ships left against the almost complete enemy team still intact?
These games are all too frequent, and I don't see anything I can do to prevent that when my teammates evaporate to the enemy BBs and CLs.
With torpedo boats I can try to offset the result with some good torps, but with gunboats like the MInsk I am at a loss on what to do.
Also on the Misk it seems I am hardly relevant early on because evidently I am not good enough to do good damage from distance, while even if I get hit only now and then it slowly adds up and leave me with a low health ship.

Maybe @Camperdown is right and Russian DDs are just not my bread.

[EgyptOverseer]

47 minutes ago, Silfuin said:

What happens if "later" your team has only a handful of ships left against the almost complete enemy team still intact?
These games are all too frequent, and I don't see anything I can do to prevent that when my teammates evaporate to the enemy BBs and CLs.
With torpedo boats I can try to offset the result with some good torps, but with gunboats like the MInsk I am at a loss on what to do.
Also on the Misk it seems I am hardly relevant early on because evidently I am not good enough to do good damage from distance, while even if I get hit only now and then it slowly adds up and leave me with a low health ship.

Maybe @Camperdown is right and Russian DDs are just not my bread.

Very good point about the Minsk.

 

Tried four matches on it today, always against carriers. Can't cap because Russian DDs are not good knife fighters and rely on long range fire. Can't flank because the CV spots you as you start flanking and ruins the tactic. Can't kite because the CV can perma spot you and wait for the team to whitle you down. Can't outrun them because french DDs are better Russian DDs. No spotting damage either because CVs take all spotting damage. Can't suicide run because torps are only 4km (amazing how only premium Russian DDs get 8km torps) and only work if you get up to 5km undetected with islands. Can't outDPM other ships because of having the same reload as an IJN DD of the same tier and even worse turrent traverse (not to mention terrible accuracy on single shell turrets).

 

Got the Kiev now and at least the Russian playstyle works better and can do standard Khaba things, but getting the second line unlocked seems like nothing but a nightmare, for a ship where you must do over 200k XP of grinding.

 

Without CVs the Minsk works as normal, but with CVs it's impossible. Even the new premium T6 french CV can do 8k per drop without losing planes on me...

[Camperdown]

9 hours ago, Silfuin said:

Thanks for hints.

To understand better, what would you consider acceptable damage done in a DD?

As for surviving I generally last until the end ... generally, there are exceptions, but they are becoming rare as time passes.
Problem with russian DDs is that at end of game I must still expose myself to damage the enemy, and I'm not that good at dodging incoming fire.

There is no single damage number for DDs. It depends what you make the damage on. If you fight DDs 30K can be enough, if you kill a red DD and do some additional damage. If you are torping, I would aim for at least 50K.

Because as a DD you render so many valuable services to the team (spotting, cap contesting, attacking DDs, stopping enemy pushes with torps) your influence is not captured in 1 damage number.

[Ew0kman]

matchmaker is one thing, but why is the game rigged, i have noticed that when i logon and play 10-20games and loose every single one, logoff the game wait 10 min and log on i win again,  and when i tested this severaltimes it is always the same result, hence the game i rigged, why is that?

 

 

[RuruushuVuiBuritania]

19 minutes ago, kenalb said:

matchmaker is one thing, but why is the game rigged, i have noticed that when i logon and play 10-20games and loose every single one, logoff the game wait 10 min and log on i win again,  and when i tested this severaltimes it is always the same result, hence the game i rigged, why is that?

 

 

Because you are not good at the game? One should always self-reflect before accusing others or the system. Also your winrate has been great recently, so I don't know what you are talking about?

[Ew0kman]

1 hour ago, RuruushuVuiBuritania said:

Because you are not good at the game? One should always self-reflect before accusing others or the system. Also your winrate has been great recently, so I don't know what you are talking about?

I never claimed that i was good at the game, i claim it is rigged,   great winrate?????  i went from rank 7 back to 10 how is that great?    but next time you loose just log out then log in you wil get a better ticket

[RuruushuVuiBuritania]

16 minutes ago, kenalb said:

I never claimed that i was good at the game, i claim it is rigged,   great winrate?????  i went from rank 7 back to 10 how is that great?    but next time you loose just log out then log in you wil get a better ticket

Log out and log in has nothing to do with the matchmaker. If you are not good enough to carry or contribute to your team, you should not be in ranked.

[ColonelPete]

21 minutes ago, kenalb said:

I never claimed that i was good at the game, i claim it is rigged,   great winrate?????  i went from rank 7 back to 10 how is that great?    but next time you loose just log out then log in you wil get a better ticket

Then I suggest you should relog after every loss, your winrate will skyrocket for sure

[Bear__Necessities]

21 hours ago, Silfuin said:

Thanks for hints.

To understand better, what would you consider acceptable damage done in a DD?

As for surviving I generally last until the end ... generally, there are exceptions, but they are becoming rare as time passes.
Problem with russian DDs is that at end of game I must still expose myself to damage the enemy, and I'm not that good at dodging incoming fire.

Smoke. Then use smoke. In a meta where spotting is almost constant. Use smoke and fire from range. Lay down damage and make ships not want to push. 

[Aethervoxx]

On 1/23/2022 at 12:59 PM, ColonelPete said:

Radar ships can be anticipated, often even spotted in time,

 ROFL. What a crock of   excrement.  Radar ships can approach unseen (out of detection range) and use an island for concealment all while the radar sees through solid rock to see a nearby DD.

[Aethervoxx]

15 hours ago, Bear__Necessities said:

Use smoke and fire from range. Lay down damage and make ships not want to push.

Garbage. As if an intelligent enemy is going to run into smoke you place tactically where you move out & then fire (whether guns or torps) into your own smoke? ROFL. 

[ColonelPete]

11 minutes ago, Aethervoxx said:

 ROFL. What a crock of   excrement.  Radar ships can approach unseen (out of detection range) and use an island for concealment all while the radar sees through solid rock to see a nearby DD.

And if you are not completly ignorant of the game, you know these islands. You either note if the radar ships of the enemy team are spotted elsewhere or you make sure that there are no or not enough ships in a position to target you.

It is even possible to cap while being radared, have done this often enough.

7 minutes ago, Aethervoxx said:

Garbage. As if an intelligent enemy is going to run into smoke you place tactically where you move out & then fire (whether guns or torps) into your own smoke? ROFL. 

One should not lay smoke and hope for the enemy to come toward you, one should lay smoke where the enemy is already in range and cannot get away in time. Maybe you will learn that someday.

[Aethervoxx]

6 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

It is even possible to cap while being radared, have done this often enough.

Sure, one can cap while being radared & then get deleted by incoming fire. I'm sure that occurs, as you say, 'often enough'.

[Bear__Necessities]

7 hours ago, Aethervoxx said:

Garbage. As if an intelligent enemy is going to run into smoke you place tactically where you move out & then fire (whether guns or torps) into your own smoke? ROFL. 

You have no idea. I let my DD results stand for themselves. I'll let the people I give advice to decide between say, my and players like Dolphin Princess and well.... you and the level you scrape at. 

[ColonelPete]

20 minutes ago, Aethervoxx said:

Sure, one can cap while being radared & then get deleted by incoming fire. I'm sure that occurs, as you say, 'often enough'.

Nope. Being radared does not mean people can shoot at you. As I said, you have to make sure that there are no or not enough enemies being able to target you. Radar ships behind islands may be able to spot you wtih radar, but that does not make them able to shoot through islands.

And yes, you better know how the minimap works. So it is not for everyone. I am not surprised you are unaware of such occurances.

[Aethervoxx]

11 minutes ago, Bear__Necessities said:

You have no idea

Sure I do. I knew you'd eventually come to retort. Your kind is so predictable. No matter what,  your kind  has this bizarre necessity to always be right (as if your opinion is any better than any other). 

[Bear__Necessities]

3 minutes ago, Aethervoxx said:

Sure I do. I knew you'd eventually come to retort. Your kind is so predictable. No matter what,  your kind  has this bizarre necessity to always be right (as if your opinion is any better than any other). 

I'm going to ask you 1 question. Have you actually played high tier Russian DD's....

 

 

Ohhh wait... I thought not. So why do you think you can sit at your chair and critique a player who has and is far better than you in every class and in DD's overall? You are the definition of dunning kruger. 

[Aethervoxx]

7 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Nope. Being radared does not mean people can shoot at you. As I said, you have to make sure that there are no or not enough enemies being able to target you. Radar ships behind islands may be able to spot you wtih radar, but that does not make them able to shoot through islands.

And yes, you better know how the minimap works. So it is not for everyone. I am not surprised you are unaware of such occurances.

Arguing again for no purpose (other than to be argumentative). As if any decent team would not be waiting for a radar ship to light up potential targets, lol.

[Aethervoxx]

2 minutes ago, Bear__Necessities said:

1 question. Have you actually played high tier Russian DD's...

As you should already know (if you investigated), no, I have not played high tier Russian DDs. Telling how you use high tier Russian DDs to illustrate a point yet you never previously referenced them. How 'convenient' for your 'barfing'.

 

6 minutes ago, Bear__Necessities said:

You are the definition of dunning kruger. 

You are the definition of a Forum Bully.

[Bear__Necessities]

1 minute ago, Aethervoxx said:

As you should already know (if you investigated), no, I have not played high tier Russian DDs. Telling how you use high tier Russian DDs to illustrate a point yet you never previously referenced them. How 'convenient' for your 'barfing'.

 

You are the definition of a Forum Bully.

I'm sorry, did you hit your head? I was replying to someone else, who is NOT you and about Russian DD's. Literally there in this thread for you to read.... And you decided to yet again stick your **** in and now claim to be the victim. You're just trolling now. Jog on. 

[Aethervoxx]

5 minutes ago, Bear__Necessities said:

You're just trolling now. Jog on. 

Typical guilty party redirect. Classic pot calling the kettle black. I wasn't the one to make a personal attack (unlike you, Bear_Necessities). I reference your barf post # 6196. Typical despicable bully boy comment.