RuruushuVuiBuritania Players 695 posts 5,720 battles Report post #6151 Posted January 17, 2022 8 hours ago, Aethervoxx said: WG MM allows this & WG could program this out. WG MM allows this & WG could program this out. If one team gets two bottom tier players( 2 tiers below the top) then where were the compensating two bottom tier players for the other team? Since they weren't there , it is a blatant WG MM CHEAT. WG already tightened the rule to a one tier difference for fail divisions and they will be sent into battle if a similar division cannot be found, which is likely since almost no one plays T2. I don't get why this is so hard to understand. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[G-O-M] Aethervoxx Players 2,597 posts 13,191 battles Report post #6152 Posted January 17, 2022 5 hours ago, RuruushuVuiBuritania said: and they will be sent into battle if a similar division cannot be found, Which is a blatant cheat against the disadvantaged team since the fail division should just sit in the queue until another equal fail division appears. 5 hours ago, RuruushuVuiBuritania said: I don't get why this is so hard to understand. I don't get why this is so hard 'for WG to correct' (so this never happens). 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RuruushuVuiBuritania Players 695 posts 5,720 battles Report post #6153 Posted January 17, 2022 Just now, Aethervoxx said: Which is a blatant cheat against the disadvantaged team since the fail division should just sit in the queue until another equal fail division appears. I don't get why this is so hard 'for WG to correct' (so this never happens). It is not a cheat, it is a fault of the fail division playing as a fail division. if they play via normal MM rules, this problem would not exist. The long queue time should tell them that the div is incompatible. And they did correct it, there used to be no tier limit. Umikazes were able to play against Yamatos. Now the tier limit is +/-1. I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you, I'm sorry to say. Do you have any concrete evidence of the cheating being actual cheating and not the matchmaker working as it is described to work? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[G-O-M] Aethervoxx Players 2,597 posts 13,191 battles Report post #6154 Posted January 17, 2022 5 hours ago, RuruushuVuiBuritania said: since almost no one plays T2. Some do play T2. New players, ofc, & players who enjoy a low tier battle without the chance of encountering any farce reworked CVs - sometimes one sees quite a few players running a T2 ship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[G-O-M] Aethervoxx Players 2,597 posts 13,191 battles Report post #6155 Posted January 17, 2022 Just now, RuruushuVuiBuritania said: It is not a cheat It is a CHEAT when one team is stuck with two T2s and the other team has none. The MM should never allow this. Since it does, it is a blatant WG MM CHEAT. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RuruushuVuiBuritania Players 695 posts 5,720 battles Report post #6156 Posted January 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Aethervoxx said: Some do play T2. New players, ofc, & players who enjoy a low tier battle without the chance of encountering any farce reworked CVs - sometimes one sees quite a few players running a T2 ship. Which is basically no one, as stated. The least played released and non-exclusive ship in the game is a T2 premium. People who play low tiers mainly play T3-T5, because most don't care about CVs or play CV themselves. 1 minute ago, Aethervoxx said: It is a CHEAT when one team is stuck with two T2s and the other team has none. The MM should never allow this. Since it does, it is a blatant WG MM CHEAT. A cheat is when you do something that subverts the rules for unfair advantages. Fail divisions give a disadvantage and they are laid out in the rules of the matchmaker. So there is no cheating involved. You might want to educate yourself on definitions if you are to have a real discussion on this subject, spending your time better than accusing people. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[G-O-M] Aethervoxx Players 2,597 posts 13,191 battles Report post #6157 Posted January 17, 2022 5 hours ago, RuruushuVuiBuritania said: spending your time better than accusing people. I never accused anyone except WG MM. So, you can quit making blanket statements that I am "accusing people". 5 hours ago, RuruushuVuiBuritania said: basically no one So, "basically no one" plays T2, according to you? According to you, T2 players are 'no one'. This will be news to players who play T2 ships. Who made you, RuruushuVuiBuritania, the resident forum authority? I don't see any WG 'title' associated with your account. All I see is another argumentative twit who has to be right & doesn't like an alternate view that differs from their own self-appointed big ego mirror gazing. 5 hours ago, RuruushuVuiBuritania said: A cheat is when you do something that subverts the rules for unfair advantages. So, when the rules allow one team to get two T2 ships in a T3/T4 battle but then the rules don't automatically add two T2 ships to the other team, that's perfectly fine? So, something subverts the rules for unfair advantages is a cheat (according to you) but that something is not a fail division? Nonsense. There is an unfair advantage - the two T2 ships on the one team but none on the other. Since WG MM allows this, it is a cheat they are responsible for. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #6158 Posted January 17, 2022 21 minutes ago, Aethervoxx said: So, "basically no one" plays T2, according to you? According to you, T2 players are 'no one'. This will be news to players who play T2 ships. During the last 28 days, Tier II battles made up roughly 1.4% of all battles played... https://proships.ru/stat/eu/s/99999-h/><i class= 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RuruushuVuiBuritania Players 695 posts 5,720 battles Report post #6159 Posted January 17, 2022 21 minutes ago, Aethervoxx said: I never accused anyone except WG MM. So, you can quit making blanket statements that I am "accusing people". So, "basically no one" plays T2, according to you? According to you, T2 players are 'no one'. This will be news to players who play T2 ships. Who made you, RuruushuVuiBuritania, the resident forum authority? I don't see any WG 'title' associated with your account. All I see is another argumentative twit who has to be right & doesn't like an alternate view that differs from their own self-appointed big ego mirror gazing. So, when the rules allow one team to get two T2 ships in a T3/T4 battle but then the rules don't automatically add two T2 ships to the other team, that's perfectly fine? So, something subverts the rules for unfair advantages is a cheat (according to you) but that something is not a fail division? Nonsense. There is an unfair advantage - the two T2 ships on the one team but none on the other. Since WG MM allows this, it is a cheat they are responsible for. Except you are accusing people of being WG shills when they disagree with you, and have done so multiple times. I am not the authority but 1) I know how to look at statistics and in the grand scheme of things, very few people play below T5 and even fewer at T2. WG obviously does not care for them, seeing that they rarely get any content or are ineligible for missions. 2) I don't have to be right, I often ask people of higher skill levels than me or the stats speak for me. 3) If I have a big ego, someone who always asks for advice and is concerned about his own play and contribution to the team, then how big must your ego be? You are the poster child of Dunning-Kruger, you blame everything but yourself for your below average stats. If you have a below 48% winrate on average after a statistically significant amount of battles, you are actively dragging your team down. Nothing to do with belittling (you would know what that looks like, since you do it all the time), just cold hard stats. If the matchmaker allows it, it is within the rules of the game. 4) A fail division is a handicap for you to overcome by playing well. Now will you please do us the honour of dropping this false narrative or otherwise getting better at the game? I am more than willing to teach you, and I would not be the only one here. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[G-O-M] Aethervoxx Players 2,597 posts 13,191 battles Report post #6160 Posted January 17, 2022 22 minutes ago, ColonelPete said: During the last 28 days, Tier II battles made up roughly 1.4% of all battles played... TY, Pete, for showing RusuuhuVuiBuritania that, in fact, some other players play T2 which then makes the following comment exaggerated. I'm sure 1.4%% is still hundreds of players 6 hours ago, RuruushuVuiBuritania said: Which is basically no one, as stated Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #6161 Posted January 17, 2022 Compared to other Tiers that is really not much... Roughly 18% of all battles are played on Tier X, it is around 17.4% on Tier IX. Tier III sees around 3% of all battles, that is more than double the number of Tier II... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RuruushuVuiBuritania Players 695 posts 5,720 battles Report post #6162 Posted January 17, 2022 19 minutes ago, Aethervoxx said: TY, Pete, for showing RusuuhuVuiBuritania that, in fact, some other players play T2 which then makes the following comment exaggerated. I'm sure 1.4%% is still hundreds of players Well, 1.4% is basically no one in WG's eyes, which are the only eyes that matter... It is sad, but it is the truth. I would like to see new pre-dreadnoughts and other older types of ships. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[G-O-M] Aethervoxx Players 2,597 posts 13,191 battles Report post #6163 Posted January 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, RuruushuVuiBuritania said: Well, 1.4% is basically no one in WG's eyes, which are the only eyes that matter... It is sad, but it is the truth. I would like to see new pre-dreadnoughts and other older types of ships. I quite agree about WG not including more pre-Dreadnought era ships such as beginning around 1880, say. There were a lot of motorized warships from 1880 to 1905 that would have been some great eye candy - perhaps, then, current T10s might have been T12 (lol). As to T2, sure "no one in WG's eyes" - still some of them are a lot of fun to play - who doesn't like the V-25? I, personally, like the Emden too, amongst others. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RAIN] GarrusBrutus Players 3,711 posts 12,535 battles Report post #6164 Posted January 17, 2022 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Bear__Necessities Players 5,291 posts 15,376 battles Report post #6165 Posted January 18, 2022 I see he's still picking that odd hill to die on with "cheating" in MM, especially baby tier MM.... Thinking he is some sort of Obi-won when he's more like... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] lup3s Players 5,744 posts 32,893 battles Report post #6166 Posted January 18, 2022 7 hours ago, Bear__Necessities said: they see me rollin', they hatin' ... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PSC] Silfuin Players 48 posts 2,621 battles Report post #6167 Posted January 21, 2022 Disclaimer: I'm a bad player (45% winrate) and I know. Question: how is matchmaking made in this game? Most of the games I lose it seem that I did way better than the most of my team, which seems odd since I should be amongst the worse ... Is WG using the personal records to pair people? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Camperdown Players 2,501 posts 17,258 battles Report post #6168 Posted January 21, 2022 49 minutes ago, Silfuin said: Disclaimer: I'm a bad player (45% winrate) and I know. Question: how is matchmaking made in this game? Most of the games I lose it seem that I did way better than the most of my team, which seems odd since I should be amongst the worse ... Is WG using the personal records to pair people? MM matches ships by type and tier. That's it, nothing else. There are caps on the number of ships from 1 class, such as a soft cap of 1 CV for T6 and over and hard cap of two. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Camperdown Players 2,501 posts 17,258 battles Report post #6169 Posted January 21, 2022 51 minutes ago, Silfuin said: Disclaimer: I'm a bad player (45% winrate) and I know. Question: how is matchmaking made in this game? Most of the games I lose it seem that I did way better than the most of my team, which seems odd since I should be amongst the worse ... Is WG using the personal records to pair people? As to your WR: are you improving over time? Maybe your WR was low at start but you are getting better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TF57] Fatal_Ramses Players 1,300 posts Report post #6170 Posted January 21, 2022 Great! Friend stopped playing 5 months ago. I finally managed to convince him to play again. It took 2 matches in VIII (always bottom) to remind him why he left this show of a Random-game. Lets put all the Storm/Typhoon-league Divisions&players on one side and all the bronze Minnesota/Percivall divisions on the other side! I guess its back to Ranked with me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PSC] Silfuin Players 48 posts 2,621 battles Report post #6171 Posted January 22, 2022 6 hours ago, Camperdown said: As to your WR: are you improving over time? Maybe your WR was low at start but you are getting better. Can't say for sure. Surely I seem to understand better what I need to do and when I get owned I usually realize my mistakes, but my winrate is not really changing over time. PR is increasing though ... food for thought. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #6172 Posted January 22, 2022 13 hours ago, Silfuin said: Can't say for sure. Surely I seem to understand better what I need to do and when I get owned I usually realize my mistakes, but my winrate is not really changing over time. PR is increasing though ... food for thought. Your WR is increasing... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PSC] Silfuin Players 48 posts 2,621 battles Report post #6173 Posted January 23, 2022 13 hours ago, ColonelPete said: Your WR is increasing... Why do you say that? In my last 70 games I have a winrate like 36% or so ... a very frustrating period where no matter what I'm doing it seems I cannot win. I had a horrible losing streak trying to grind the russian DDs. I had some success with Poidvosky and Gnevny, but upon arriving to Minsk I began to lose all my matches. Very depressing, I'm losing the will to play. But this is OT, don't mind me, I'm just only an old noob, that's all. Any advice is welcome though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Camperdown Players 2,501 posts 17,258 battles Report post #6174 Posted January 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Silfuin said: Why do you say that? In my last 70 games I have a winrate like 36% or so ... a very frustrating period where no matter what I'm doing it seems I cannot win. I had a horrible losing streak trying to grind the russian DDs. I had some success with Poidvosky and Gnevny, but upon arriving to Minsk I began to lose all my matches. Very depressing, I'm losing the will to play. But this is OT, don't mind me, I'm just only an old noob, that's all. Any advice is welcome though. This is a very common experience I think. Grinds of ships or lines that don't seem to suit you can be very frustrating. I recommend that you play at least half your games with ships you like and can play well at all times. In that way you grow your familiarity and ability on a number of ships to a higher level and avoid depressing streaks of losses. WoWs is designed to frustrate you to the point where you throw money at WG in the hope that a better ship will make you do better. A better strategy is to keep playing the ships you are already doing well in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #6175 Posted January 23, 2022 4 hours ago, Silfuin said: Why do you say that? In my last 70 games I have a winrate like 36% or so ... a very frustrating period where no matter what I'm doing it seems I cannot win. I had a horrible losing streak trying to grind the russian DDs. I had some success with Poidvosky and Gnevny, but upon arriving to Minsk I began to lose all my matches. Very depressing, I'm losing the will to play. But this is OT, don't mind me, I'm just only an old noob, that's all. Any advice is welcome though. Because she does... You have to look at your overall trend and not pick a sample that fits your narrative. 70 matches is hardly a significant sample. When you have many losses with certain ships, it can be a sign that you cannot play them. This is also shown by your personal results as you got only low damage and few sunken enemies. That does not look like you tried all. It looks like you play your DD too aggressive. DD get stronger, the longer they survive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
