Matchmaker Discussion Thread & MM Balance

[Aethervoxx]

59 minutes ago, tsounts said:

How has this game managed to reach WOT levels?

Easy answer. By imitating WoT corporate playbook .

[Camperdown]

2 hours ago, tsounts said:

3 days in a row of complete idiocy, this is way beyond normal.  Just came out of a match in my Shimakaze and our Harugumo (full hp) spent all match chasing the enemy cv (which lost us the match), he could have easily won the match had he supported the rest of the "team".  No matter what one does people seem to be getting sunk so fast that it's almost impossible to win afterwards.  How has this game managed to reach WOT levels?

Intentional mismanagement by WeeGreedy.

 

Edit: apparently around 2017-2018 WG decided that the largest sales potential was in their view with new stoopid players. So ever since they have been running the game into the ground by introducing stupid stuff that made the game experience worse but brought them vodka, caviar and women of questionable repute.

[tsounts]

2 hours ago, Aethervoxx said:

Easy answer. By imitating WoT corporate playbook .

I remember the mayhem which occurred after they started introducing the spotting & various other missions in WOT.  You'd witness light tanks going straight into the enemy force, lighting up 4-5 of them utmost and then going back to garage all this in a rinse and repeat mode...  It wasn't that bad before the introduction of those stupid missions which gave you some freemium tanks and people used to be more careful.

Apparently this was fine according to WG despite people's complaints though.

[NEWPEGI18]

On 11/23/2021 at 11:08 PM, RuruushuVuiBuritania said:

Judging by what you write and the conspiracy theory you espouse about big bad Wargaming rigging all your games because they hate you personally (Even though that would mean the entire forum would see their winrate tank, because we are all critical of Wargaming, sometimes in a less-than-sane way), the assumption is 100% correct. You club seals and get mad when you get clubbed. Get better and get over it.

 

LMAO !

 

Well......if I'm a seal clubber then please explain to me why I have begun running through lower tiers in Co-op.

 

Next, I get clubbed as you so nicely put it everytime I get a team of complete [edited], wich btw happens aprox. 99% of the time.

 

Get better......Well it's really [edited]hard to get better when you have somone from WG sticking thier *edited* [edited] up your [edited]everytime you start a game, it kind of throws my game. Maybe I'm being sentitive.....

 

Get over it.....I'm past that point, wallet is closed and will remain so.

 

The rest of what you write...not sure what you mean. I get a major part of the playerbase hates WG, but never mind.

 

Oh ! I'm not claiming they only rig my games btw. My claim is they rig all games for everybody. Random teams, RNG....they have everything they need.

[ColonelPete]

10 minutes ago, NEWPEGI18 said:

Oh ! I'm not claiming they only rig my games btw. My claim is they rig all games for everybody. Random teams, RNG....they have everything they need.

Interesting. Where is your disadvantage compared to other players?

[RuruushuVuiBuritania]

On 11/25/2021 at 10:44 PM, NEWPEGI18 said:

 

Next, I get clubbed as you so nicely put it everytime I get a team of complete [edited], wich btw happens aprox. 99% of the time.

 

Get better......Well it's really [edited]hard to get better when you have somone from WG sticking thier *edited* [edited] up your [edited]everytime you start a game, it kind of throws my game. Maybe I'm being sentitive.....

 

Oh ! I'm not claiming they only rig my games btw. My claim is they rig all games for everybody. Random teams, RNG....they have everything they need.

If everyone's games are being rigged, that would mean we all have about the same winrate, right? There is no way WG would favour one player over another, right? Getting better is not dependent on the people in your team, it depends on how much skill you personally have. Not all games are carryable, but it is a lot easier if you have a modest amount of skill. So I think a skill issue is at work here. I suggest you either put more effort into making a convincing argument or testing your argument by improving your skills. But you might find your theory falling apart if you do that. Your winrate is not even that bad, the problem is that you are rushing up the tiers, one look at WoWs-Numbers shows that you start preforming much worse at higher tiers...

[SV_Kompresor]

10 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Interesting. Where is your disadvantage compared to other players?

The funniest thing is how on #5997 he tried to provoke a response but also told everybody to save their comments, which is exactly what they did. So since he didn't get the attention which he secretly wanted, he had to try again on #6016.

[The_Angry_Admiral]

15 hours ago, RuruushuVuiBuritania said:

If everyone's games are being rigged, that would mean we all have about the same winrate, right? There is no way WG would favour one player over another, right? Getting better is not dependent on the people in your team, it depends on how much skill you personally have. Not all games are carryable, but it is a lot easier if you have a modest amount of skill. So I think a skill issue is at work here. I suggest you either put more effort into making a convincing argument or testing your argument by improving your skills. But you might find your theory falling apart if you do that. Your winrate is not even that bad, the problem is that you are rushing up the tiers, one look at WoWs-Numbers shows that you start preforming much worse at higher tiers...

F2P are known for their rigging - there are even companies that can be hired to show you how to "fish for whales" as it is known in the industry. It is designed to create frustration and a false sense of thinking they need to go and buy a perceived "better" item which in this case is ships, flags, etc..... 

 

This is nothing new - been around for years.

[ColonelPete]

1 hour ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

F2P are known for their rigging - there are even companies that can be hired to show you how to "fish for whales" as it is known in the industry. It is designed to create frustration and a false sense of thinking they need to go and buy a perceived "better" item which in this case is ships, flags, etc..... 

 

This is nothing new - been around for years.

Which ones rigg and how? I have the feeling you mistake rigging with game design.

[The_Angry_Admiral]

32 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Which ones rigg and how? I have the feeling you mistake rigging with game design.

No all F2P games, especially mobile ones have rigging. 

 

They use algorithms - this is not a new thing in the gaming industry. 

 

Let’s go whaling: Tricks for monetising mobile game players with free-to-play - YouTube

[ColonelPete]

12 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

No all F2P games, especially mobile ones have rigging. 

 

They use algorithms - this is not a new thing in the gaming industry. 

 

Let’s go whaling: Tricks for monetising mobile game players with free-to-play - YouTube

That is not rigging...

[The_Angry_Admiral]

2 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

That is not rigging...

LOL!!!!! If that's what you think then crack on in the Realm of naivety but I can promise you the real world works differently than what you think. 

[ColonelPete]

15 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

LOL!!!!! If that's what you think then crack on in the Realm of naivety but I can promise you the real world works differently than what you think. 

That is not about how stuff works, but how it is called. 

Rigging is about stuff you do not know how it works and which is changed secretly.

 

The MM rules are known and they are not changed secretly.

 

[Camperdown]

Lol Pete and Angry are getting into a trollathon 

 

We should give you two your own thread. 

[ColonelPete]

6 minutes ago, Camperdown said:

Lol Pete and Angry are getting into a trollathon 

 

We should give you two your own thread. 

Where is the trolling?

Maybe you do not know what you are talking about either?

[tocqueville8]

On 11/25/2021 at 8:39 AM, Camperdown said:

Edit: apparently around 2017-2018 WG decided that the largest sales potential was in their view with new stoopid players.

 

Dunno about "stupid", but the sales potential is certainly with new-ish players.

Once you have most tech tree ships (barring some regrinding or the early access branches), some nice premiums, as well as a good number of freemiums, what's the incentive to buy more premium ships? You pretty much already have access to every conceivable playstyle in the game, so how much use would you get out of a new ship?

 

In fact I was wondering if, in order to make "end-game players" keep spending money on the game, WG wouldn't be wise to give discounts (e.g. for permacamos) to people who have more than a certain amount of high-tier ships... 

[Esteb4nn]

On 11/25/2021 at 6:38 AM, tsounts said:

3 days in a row of complete idiocy, this is way beyond normal.  Just came out of a match in my Shimakaze and our Harugumo (full hp) spent all match chasing the enemy cv (which lost us the match), he could have easily won the match had he supported the rest of the "team".  No matter what one does people seem to be getting sunk so fast that it's almost impossible to win afterwards.  How has this game managed to reach WOT levels?

It is the same company running it. xD

[MadBadDave]

Same story different day; MM is as screwed up as it always has been,  a mate started playing WOWs and loved the game buying premiums and when he got to T6 he stopped playing, BECAUSE HE WAS “””CONSISTENTLY””. bottom tier.

 

Like wise I got Massa yesterday and EVERY game so far has been bottom tier,  now this is at peak times; so a question to anyone at WG, why do you continually SCREW up the game by not fixing the easiest fix going ;  +\-1 !!!!!!!!!!.

 

And please don’t give me the usual horse shite about game queues !!.

 

Its just another Greedy Russian ploy to encourage high tier purchases isn’t it ?,  be honest for just once !!.

[SV_Kompresor]

25 minutes ago, MadBadDave said:

Its just another Greedy Russian ploy to encourage high tier purchases isn’t it ?,  be honest for just once !!.

Just stop with this horse manure already please. How does it encourage high tier purchases exactly? The only tier this would work on would be for buying tier 9 ships (and that one tier 10 ship in the shop I guess) and even then your confirmation bias wouldn't let you do anything but complain about constantly facing tier 10 ships, so you'd then get a tier 10 and constantly play the unfun tier-10-only matches.

[ColonelPete]

10 minutes ago, MadBadDave said:

Its just another Greedy Russian ploy to encourage high tier purchases isn’t it ?,  be honest for just once !!.

Apart from most players getting worse results at Tier X than at Tier VI. How is that the fault of the +2/-2 MM?

[MadBadDave]

And you’ve played over 16000 games, no doubt all top tier 😉.  The reason we don’t have +\- 1 is because of the odd tier cvs 😉.

 

So if MM is as perfect as some say why are there over 240 pages.    Go onto warships this very instant with a T8 and see how many see you top / same tier. 😀.

 

Prove me wrong !.

[Bear__Necessities]

19 minutes ago, MadBadDave said:

The reason we don’t have +\- 1 is because of the odd tier cvs 😉.

That's not true. They implemented +/- 2 due to very mixed and uneven matches whereby you had teams with no CV's against teams with CV's. T4's against T10's and even unbalanced numbers. And since then MM has been FAR more stable. T8's were moaned about so often they even changed the MM for that, to give T8 more T8 or lower games. Even though T8 ships can handle being up tiered fine. Now T7's on the other hand got shafted by the incessant moaning. And it's FAR more uneven between a T9 and T7. But WG gave the player base what they wanted and therefore what they deserve. 

 

19 minutes ago, MadBadDave said:

Go onto warships this very instant with a T8 and see how many see you top / same tier. 😀.

It's quite good currently. Thanks for asking. Hence the better WR at T8.

 

 

It even matches that on my old EU account.

[ColonelPete]

18 hours ago, MadBadDave said:

And you’ve played over 16000 games, no doubt all top tier 😉.  The reason we don’t have +\- 1 is because of the odd tier cvs 😉.

 

So if MM is as perfect as some say why are there over 240 pages.    Go onto warships this very instant with a T8 and see how many see you top / same tier. 😀.

 

Prove me wrong !.

No, they were not. But I have no problem with being bottom Tier.

And barely anyone says the MM is perfect

[Arty_McFly]

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[Aethervoxx]

10 hours ago, Bear__Necessities said:

That's not true. They implemented +/- 2 due to very mixed and uneven matches whereby you had teams with no CV's against teams with CV's. T4's against T10's and even unbalanced numbers.

What is true is WG allowed battles where one side had CV(s) & the other did not. Also, the idiocy of extreme tier battles as you indicate (a T4 seeing a T10, for example).

Wasn't the prime example of player exploitation a battle with a T2 DD up against a T10 BB (the BB could not even harm the DD once it was in close)?

Whose fault was this, what you refer to Bear__Necessities? Whose fault but WG who could have ensured this never happened but they allowed this nonsense.

Which is similar to the nonsense WG now allows with these broken reworked CVs not to mention the still entirely broken MM.

How often are roflstomps (of one form or another) seen these later days of WoWS? Plenty often. Too plenty. 

As for the +2/-2 MM, even that is being blatantly abused by WG to ensure more high tier (T8+) battles.

All to load more players into T9 (as a minimum). Surprise, surprise, where all the fantasy make up premium ships are appearing for sale.