Matchmaker Discussion Thread & MM Balance

[PrinzSiegfried]

On 10/26/2021 at 12:32 PM, Tanaka_15 said:

wut?

VI tier CV versus VIII US Cruiser/BB. Or Haarlem. Just a few examples...

[Tanaka_15]

22 minutes ago, PrinzSiegfried said:

VI tier CV versus VIII US Cruiser/BB. Or Haarlem. Just a few examples...

this is not thje place to start again how badly cvs are op and broken topic. But camone, you can not belive AA works in this game? 

[PrinzSiegfried]

2 minutes ago, Tanaka_15 said:

this is not thje place to start again how badly cvs are op and broken topic. But camone, you can not belive AA works in this game? 

But CV's are not OP... they're weak except for FDR and Immelman. 

Removal of uneven tiers "damaged" the balance in MM. For both sides. 

 

[PaxtonQuigly]

7 hours ago, PrinzSiegfried said:

But CV's are not OP... they're weak except for FDR and Immelman. 

Removal of uneven tiers "damaged" the balance in MM. For both sides. 

 

You're either a Troll or the perfect Wargaming customer. I haven't decided yet. 

[Bear__Necessities]

51 minutes ago, PaxtonQuigly said:

You're either a Troll or the perfect Wargaming customer. I haven't decided yet. 

You'll find your answer in the main sub thread. The one where he calls me a bad player. 

[PrinzSiegfried]

17 hours ago, PaxtonQuigly said:

You're either a Troll or the perfect Wargaming customer. I haven't decided yet. 

Because I have a different approach? Or maybe I know how AA works?  

 

16 hours ago, Bear__Necessities said:

You'll find your answer in the main sub thread. The one where he calls me a bad player. 

 

You are talking such nonsense that it was a conclusion. Do you thing I will check your stats or do you think that you're famous or something? 

[geschlittert]

3 minutes ago, PrinzSiegfried said:

Because I have a different approach? Or maybe I know how AA works?  

 

Oh thy lord of the sky, tell us surface peasants how out AA works.

[PrinzSiegfried]

1 minute ago, geschlittert said:

Oh thy lord of the sky, tell us surface peasants how out AA works.

I see that everyone who does agree with a peasant mob is treated like a troll or enemy. This place is dominated with the caste of VIPs and crying individuals.

Guy who has 300-400 PR doesn't know how to play the CV. If you don't know how to play CV, you don't know how to make one frustrated... 

Paxton also had zero games on a CV. 

 

If you don't like CV or submarines you can avoid game modes with it and play in a training room. Maybe this is a best place for you, maybe you will feel safe there. 

 

If must be that kind of players that only care about their PR being violet and maxing damage. Because everything that interrupts it is bad or even pure evil. From my perspective game without them would be boring, like a fixed scheme... and for many other players too. You are a minority that only barks loud... otherwise WG would care about it.

 

And to be honest, I began to feel satisfaction with the fact that you are annoyed just because someone is not upset by aircraft carriers and submarines.

Is your life so sad that being outstanding in a computer game is so important? Because for me the fun of playing is more important and I am able to pay for it. Again... like many other players... 

 

Go ahead, keep boosting your fragile ego. 

[ColonelPete]

15 minutes ago, PrinzSiegfried said:

I see that everyone who does agree with a peasant mob is treated like a troll or enemy.

That is usually caused by lack of arguments. There are enough CV players that show that "strong AA" is not a problem at any Tier.

[PaxtonQuigly]

35 minutes ago, PrinzSiegfried said:

If you don't like CV or submarines you can avoid game modes with it and play in a training room. Maybe this is a best place for you, maybe you will feel safe there. 

Sadly wargaming is adamant in putting them in every gamemode. But if i could, i would.

36 minutes ago, PrinzSiegfried said:

If must be that kind of players that only care about their PR being violet and maxing damage. Because everything that interrupts it is bad or even pure evil.

Maybe experienced players can judge better than the average Joe, what is balanced and what is broken. Everything that has zero counterplay is broken in my book, but apparantly to the average majority it provides.... *checks notes*.... diverse gameplay. Ah well, I can't blame them. To the average player there is no difference between reversing in your BB and getting HE spammed to death or getting your teeth kicked in by double pinged homing torps.

41 minutes ago, PrinzSiegfried said:

From my perspective game without them would be boring, like a fixed scheme... and for many other players too.

Depends on your skill level. To some top FPS or RTS games seem boring, because they do not understand the intricacies of what is going on. Same goes for WoWs. 

Probably when you watch kings of the seas, you think it is boring because people do not rush forward and boom boom. To me it is an interesting chess-like game being played.

44 minutes ago, PrinzSiegfried said:

You are a minority that only barks loud... otherwise WG would care about it.

You're right. Even if good players werent a minority, WG would still not care because it is below average whales that have zero clue how the game works who pay the most money. That is what wargaming cares about. And it shows. They just keep pumping out more content, completely disregarding class interaction and balance, just to apease the whales so they keep spending. 

46 minutes ago, PrinzSiegfried said:

Is your life so sad that being outstanding in a computer game is so important?

I think you have things mixed up here. I became good at this computer game because i fell in love with it years back. I enjoyed improving and getting to know more about how things work. 

48 minutes ago, PrinzSiegfried said:

Because for me the fun of playing is more important and I am able to pay for it. Again... like many other players... 

Which it is for every player. Good or bad, makes no difference. I don't know where this notion comes from that good player despise change. The game is ever changing. However, I do see the direction where the game is going and i do not like it one bit. But im glad players like you do. 

[geschlittert]

3 hours ago, PrinzSiegfried said:

I see that everyone who does agree with a peasant mob is treated like a troll or enemy. This place is dominated with the caste of VIPs and crying individuals.

Guy who has 300-400 PR doesn't know how to play the CV. If you don't know how to play CV, you don't know how to make one frustrated... 

Paxton also had zero games on a CV. 

 

If you don't like CV or submarines you can avoid game modes with it and play in a training room. Maybe this is a best place for you, maybe you will feel safe there. 

 

If must be that kind of players that only care about their PR being violet and maxing damage. Because everything that interrupts it is bad or even pure evil. From my perspective game without them would be boring, like a fixed scheme... and for many other players too. You are a minority that only barks loud... otherwise WG would care about it.

 

And to be honest, I began to feel satisfaction with the fact that you are annoyed just because someone is not upset by aircraft carriers and submarines.

Is your life so sad that being outstanding in a computer game is so important? Because for me the fun of playing is more important and I am able to pay for it. Again... like many other players... 

 

Go ahead, keep boosting your fragile ego 

Didnt know how much one can interpret into one sentence.

[Pukovnik7]

8 hours ago, PaxtonQuigly said:

Maybe experienced players can judge better than the average Joe, what is balanced and what is broken. Everything that has zero counterplay is broken in my book, but apparantly to the average majority it provides.... *checks notes*.... diverse gameplay. Ah well, I can't blame them. To the average player there is no difference between reversing in your BB and getting HE spammed to death or getting your teeth kicked in by double pinged homing torps.

I can attest to that. I just had an argument on Reddit with a guy who apparently believes that more different classes of ships automatically means more diverse gameplay.

[Bear__Necessities]

9 hours ago, PrinzSiegfried said:

Or maybe I know how AA works?  

clearly you don't if you struggle against it when playing CV's.....

[Tanaka_15]

17 hours ago, PrinzSiegfried said:

must be that kind of players that only care about their PR being violet and maxing damage.

Big words, frome someone who plays CVs. :D 

 

17 hours ago, PrinzSiegfried said:

From my perspective game without them would be boring, like a fixed scheme..

But CVs are the ones that makes games boring! This killas all postioning, pushing, outmanvering enemy nad so one. Just make a blob, do daka daka at max range and pary sky lord kills someone else. 

 

17 hours ago, PrinzSiegfried said:

Because for me the fun of playing is more important and I am able to pay for it. Again... like many other players... 

And thats why WG dont care about quality of  this game at all. You can see it each and every move they do. 

[Tanaka_15]

17 hours ago, PrinzSiegfried said:

Or maybe I know how AA works? 

AA dont work in this game. 

[Adm_Lindemann]

Hey, I've experienced something that is just not fair - even in the current MM circumstances.

 

There were CVs both sides but only the opposite team have had a hybrid Kearsarge. They focused all planes on one side and they won that cap as all of our ships sunk there.

 

Make sure, that both sides have equal amount of hybrid ships - doesn't matter, how much long they have to wait as there is no time limit for randoms and those players accepted the risk to wait minutes when decided to bring that kind of ships into a battle.

[Takethatyoubeast]

8 hours ago, Adm_Lindemann said:

Hey, I've experienced something that is just not fair - even in the current MM circumstances.

 

There were CVs both sides but only the opposite team have had a hybrid Kearsarge. They focused all planes on one side and they won that cap as all of our ships sunk there.

 

Make sure, that both sides have equal amount of hybrid ships - doesn't matter, how much long they have to wait as there is no time limit for randoms and those players accepted the risk to wait minutes when decided to bring that kind of ships into a battle.

Had a Kaga and a Tone focusing me in a DD today in ranked so had no chance - even with aa spec I was perma spotted and blown to bits

 

I agree that hybrids should be one per side as otherwise it makes an already poor MM process even worse 

 

Of course, the downside is that WG don’t care because you know…..reasons 

[LordOfTheHoses]

1 CV is normal, but 2 CVs are the reason for quitting the game. Submarines are just the reason to quit the game

[Pukovnik7]

I just had two games in a row. One game, with my FdG, was a loss with me being the only ship left alive (who knew hunting enemy DD in a cap surrounded by islands is such a good way to survive the HE spam?). Second match, with my Bismarck, was a victory with us losing only one ship.

 

Open maps are a disaster.

[st_dasa]

Peak game design from WG was illustrated once again. This was beyond hilarious.

 

As you can see, almost 60% of both teams were ''invisible'' ships. One dd ''counter'' per side (at least that's how WG advertises cruisers), rest are uselless BBs, me included, as I could not engage the invisible enemy. If I push I die, if I run i have nothing to kite. I felt like a blind spectator, as all I could do was look at the icons and kill count to see who's winning.

 

And the best thing is, look who died first.

 

T10 is dead.

 

 

 

 

[Camperdown]

20 hours ago, BOZO6464 said:

1 CV is normal, but 2 CVs are the reason for quitting the game. Submarines are just the reason to quit the game

Quitting the game because you feel entitled to your favourite matchmaking is a very egotistical and self centered thing. Basically, if mommy's boy does not get what mommy's boy wants, he is going to quit and make sure his team has an even bigger disadvantage. Who cares about those other 11 players, right? Mommy's boy deserves his Goldilocks game after all.

Shitty mindset, grow up.

[st_dasa]

33 minutes ago, Camperdown said:

Quitting the game because you feel entitled to your favourite matchmaking is a very egotistical and self centered thing. Basically, if mommy's boy does not get what mommy's boy wants, he is going to quit and make sure his team has an even bigger disadvantage. Who cares about those other 11 players, right? Mommy's boy deserves his Goldilocks game after all.

Shitty mindset, grow up.

 

It is... a game... if you don't like it, you...kinda.... stop playing.

 

I'm sorry mate, but your reply was the single most idiotic argument I've read in a long time.

[Camperdown]

12 minutes ago, st_dasa said:

 

It is... a game... if you don't like it, you...kinda.... stop playing.

 

I'm sorry mate, but your reply was the single most idiotic argument I've read in a long time.

I assumed he was talking about quitting the battle. Reading his post again, he may have meant stop playing the game at all. If the latter is the case I apologise.

I just hate people who quit a battle cause they don't like the MM.

[st_dasa]

37 minutes ago, Camperdown said:

I assumed he was talking about quitting the battle. Reading his post again, he may have meant stop playing the game at all. If the latter is the case I apologise.

I just hate people who quit a battle cause they don't like the MM.

 

Np, maybe i misunderstood. I agree, I hate suiciders and early ''leavers''.

[The_Angry_Admiral]

Well since my +2 / -2 thread was closed because there is already a MM discussion thread I thought I would put this here.

 

I think we can all agree that +1/-1 matches are simply better and seem to highlight a resemblance of how the game is supposed to work. 

 

It seems that when you have +2/-2 all that goes out the window to the point where ships that were designed to do one thing have to end up doing something else in order to survive (AKA BB's).

 

What is the motive for +2/-2 matchmaking to still exist? Does +1/-1 matchmaking fix the game no it doesn't but it makes it a lot better than with +2/-2. 

 

It obviously causes the game to fall apart so I can't see why it still exists.