Matchmaker Discussion Thread & MM Balance

[surfer_gr]

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[Sea_w0lf]

8 hours ago, RiggedSantaCrateGuy said:

Can anybody explain me why TF this is allowed in brawls?  There are enough ships in the queue to NOT MATCH DIVISIONS WITH SINGLE PLAYERS, useless devs  So, at randoms (12 players), you match against enemy divisions.....and in brawls (3 players), YOU DON'T? WTF is this?

 

It seems that Brawls are also randoms.. anyway, i attached two battles against div clans and i had another one early morning which we won.

[ColonelPete]

20 minutes ago, Sea_w0lf said:

 

It seems that Brawls are also randoms.. anyway, i attached two battles against div clans and i had another one early morning which we won.

It is no surprise that you have a problem with MM, when you cannot even spot the difference between Random and Brawl.

[Aethervoxx]

4 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

It is no surprise that you have a problem with MM, when you cannot even spot the difference between Random and Brawl.

As if you can spot the difference.

[Sea_w0lf]

9 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

It is no surprise that you have a problem with MM, when you cannot even spot the difference between Random and Brawl. 

 

It is no surprise me (and all people here...)  that you answer with this way without understand the way of talking to my message...

 

1st i don't have any problem with MM.

2nd I have experience in the game and i know the differences between Random, Brawls and other modes.

3rd I don't complain and cry here about the battles that we found ourselves against clans (with advantage of communication via TS or Discord etc.. etc..) because even by text during battles and good tactic we beat them.

 

Im just saying to @RiggedSantaCrateGuy who complains,  that this can happen to everyone. All of us sometimes we are against Divs and Clans so..we don't have to give up..  just to concentrate, find a good plan and go for the victory.

 

So instead to judge people here,, you could wait to quote and write your POTATO!

 

Have a nice day.

 

[ColonelPete]

1 hour ago, Sea_w0lf said:

 

It is no surprise me (and all people here...)  that you answer with this way without understand the way of talking to my message...

 

1st i don't have any problem with MM.

2nd I have experience in the game and i know the differences between Random, Brawls and other modes.

3rd I don't complain and cry here about the battles that we found ourselves against clans (with advantage of communication via TS or Discord etc.. etc..) because even by text during battles and good tactic we beat them.

 

Im just saying to @RiggedSantaCrateGuy who complains,  that this can happen to everyone. All of us sometimes we are against Divs and Clans so..we don't have to give up..  just to concentrate, find a good plan and go for the victory.

 

So instead to judge people here,, you could wait to quote and write your POTATO!

 

Have a nice day.

 

Probable because I am not talking to your messages, but writing to you...

If you know the difference between Brawl and Randoms, why did you claim otherwise?

[ImTryingButYouDontHelp]

3 hours ago, Sea_w0lf said:

Im just saying to @RiggedSantaCrateGuy who complains,  that this can happen to everyone. All of us sometimes we are against Divs and Clans so..we don't have to give up..  just to concentrate, find a good plan and go for the victory.

 

As you might know, divisions in randoms are limited because WG (rightly for once) thinks too many divisions (or more than 3 players per division) can determine too much the developing of the battle. So, if this is the "mantra" in a random battle (12 players per team), why TF they allow a 3 players division against 3 single players in brawls? It's like if they allowed a 12 players division in a random!!! 

[geschlittert]

On 9/26/2021 at 10:33 AM, mariouus said:

Actually, if you think about it - WG can actually change alot of thing. Not only in MM, but also ship stats on the fly. In essence - WoWs and WoT is a Gambling runner dream. There are alot of tools that are (atleast theoretically) present do really  influence players, or changing their impression.

 

You honestly think that the players that know each ship in and out wouldnt recognize such change?

[ColonelPete]

29 minutes ago, RiggedSantaCrateGuy said:

 

As you might know, divisions in randoms are limited because WG (rightly for once) thinks too many divisions (or more than 3 players per division) can determine too much the developing of the battle. So, if this is the "mantra" in a random battle (12 players per team), why TF they allow a 3 players division against 3 single players in brawls? It's like if they allowed a 12 players division in a random!!! 

Because it is a silly gamemode for quick matches, that is especially intended for divisions.

[mariouus]

5 hours ago, geschlittert said:

You honestly think that the players that know each ship in and out wouldnt recognize such change?

They kind of should feel its worse. Why else would you do it.

 

There are quite a few "stats" that can tinkered with - with-out anyone being able do prove it.

 

 

 

[Darkeid]

Another hugely imbalanced match...

5 players below 1000 battles / 8 players below 50% vs 0 players below 1000 battles / 3 players below 50%
 

 

No matter what team A does they lose regardless of account / player .

Improve the fekin MM , these matches are a waste of time and offer only frustration and rage.

[Sea_w0lf]

6 hours ago, RiggedSantaCrateGuy said:

why TF they allow a 3 players division against 3 single players in brawls

 

I suppose that the parameters for the battle are random otherwise once you are in div you should find enemy div also specially when you see in queue 150+ players.This would be more fair at least. 

 

 

 

[ColonelPete]

2 hours ago, mariouus said:

They kind of should feel its worse. Why else would you do it.

 

There are quite a few "stats" that can tinkered with - with-out anyone being able do prove it.

You could also be a simulation of an alien computer system, without you noticing it.

[mariouus]

5 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

You could also be a simulation of an alien computer system, without you noticing it.

Okei. 

 

So. Can WG change stats on the ships on the fly? Answer do that is Yes. 

So. Is it possible that they are doing it. They can do it - so it is definitely possible.

So. Am I saying they are doing it. Actually - No. I am merely pointing out that it is possible. There are some completly valid reasons to do so. Things like that are used in marketing all the time.

 

If you actually fact check - you can see that both of my claims are correct: WG can chance ship stats constantly (hint:signal flags are doing it for example) and changing perfomance of something is completly valid marketing tactict. 

 

The fact is, that I have never claimed they are doing it. Only sayed that it is possible. And it is.

 

So if you want do argue, you need do provide proof - that WG can not change ship stats or that manipulating with client experience of something is not used as a marketing tactic. 

 

The thing you do in this Topic mostly - is ridicule and chastise people. When often only actual thing do back-up your claim is - IT IS LIKE THAT, BECAUSE I THINK SO. So provide proof - or shut up.

[ColonelPete]

Just now, mariouus said:

Okei.

So. Can you be a simulation in an alien computer? Answer to that is Yes. 

3 minutes ago, mariouus said:

The thing you do in this Topic mostly - is ridicule and chastise people. When often only actual thing do back-up your claim is - IT IS LIKE THAT, BECAUSE I THINK SO. So provide proof - or shut up. 

What claim?

[Aethervoxx]

17 minutes ago, mariouus said:

The thing you do in this Topic mostly - is ridicule and chastise people.

It's 'it's' modus operandi. Considering 'it's' post count - you'd be forgiven if you thought 'it' lived here.

1 hour ago, ColonelPete said:

You could also be a simulation of an alien computer system, without you noticing it.

Here, 'it' makes a farcial analogy - something 'it' relies on when 'it' has nothing useful to offer.

 

3 hours ago, Darkeid said:

Another hugely imbalanced match.

Just like one I saw earlier. A FDR CV flew out planes to spot then TBs & in minutes the FDR had sunk a Congueror. Meanwhile, in my DD, I'm being spotted (ofc) so a Halland gets to hammer me from invisibility & the FDR finishes me. Score 2-0 for them within first minutes. Fun battle for me & that BB - FDR just killed whatever he wanted to. After this, the battle got worse (rapidly). Such a wonderful battle for 12 players.

This is the kind of garbage battles one sees due to a blatant WG MM cheat. WG MM will never change - that much is clear. WG MM is a JOKE, a really sick joke.

[ColonelPete]

19 minutes ago, Aethervoxx said:

Here, 'it' makes a farcial analogy - something 'it' relies on when 'it' has nothing useful to offer.

I suggest you look up the words "farcial" and "analogy" first, before you use them.

[RuruushuVuiBuritania]

1 hour ago, Aethervoxx said:

 

Just like one I saw earlier. A FDR CV flew out planes to spot then TBs & in minutes the FDR had sunk a Congueror. Meanwhile, in my DD, I'm being spotted (ofc) so a Halland gets to hammer me from invisibility & the FDR finishes me. Score 2-0 for them within first minutes. Fun battle for me & that BB - FDR just killed whatever he wanted to. After this, the battle got worse (rapidly). Such a wonderful battle for 12 players.

This is the kind of garbage battles one sees due to a blatant WG MM cheat. WG MM will never change - that much is clear. WG MM is a JOKE, a really sick joke.

The problem is, on a team of twelve, losing a ship is much more hurtful, since you lose both damage output and something for enemy ships to shoot at that is not you. My aim is always to draw fire for my teammates (Since I cannot rely on them to survive on their own) and prioritize low health ships or ships that are exposed. This gets me a lot of wins. Not every game is carryable, but a lot of them are. Any action you take can be decisive. I'm not an amazing player, but if I manage to damage the enemy's best player enough to kill them or make them withdraw, that can be decisive. Try to focus on analysing what you can do better in matches. You are at the mercy of the MM, might as well make the most of it.

[mariouus]

1 hour ago, ColonelPete said:

What claim?

Thing you did is called  "Appeal to ridicule". It is also a claim. It claims that your Alien theory and possibility I stated, are inheritly the same.

 

You see - I provided you two facts. Do show that your try of ridicule and my claim are inheritly different

 

1. WG can change ship stats

2. Manipulating with client experience of something is fairly used marketing tactic.

 

So again

 

Either prove me wrong. Or prove your claim. I am rather interested on what factual things you are basing your alien theory.

 

1 hour ago, ColonelPete said:

So. Can you be a simulation in an alien computer? Answer to that is Yes. 

Actually No. Can shows high probability of something being true. I have not seen any indicatiors of this being the case. Nor have you provided any facts do back it up.  It however COULD be the case - could shows fairly small probability. Thats the reason why I did not say anything about your initial claim. Exept that it was an obvious ridicule

 

 

 

[Darkeid]

7 hours ago, Sea_w0lf said:

 

I suppose that the parameters for the battle are random otherwise once you are in div you should find enemy div also specially when you see in queue 150+ players.This would be more fair at least. 

 

 

 

That is the exact reason one sided games occur. MM engine only separates the player base through ship type and ship tier. And that is what needs to be changed.

Also , after a lengthy day in ranked battles i decide to play 1 fekin random match ..

7 players below 50% / 10 players below average or average rating vs 1 player below 50% / 5 players below average or average + 5 good & very good rating...

Unfun , one sided and unfair. This is what makes this game suck.
 

[ColonelPete]

10 hours ago, mariouus said:

Thing you did is called  "Appeal to ridicule". It is also a claim. It claims that your Alien theory and possibility I stated, are inheritly the same.

 

You see - I provided you two facts. Do show that your try of ridicule and my claim are inheritly different

 

1. WG can change ship stats

2. Manipulating with client experience of something is fairly used marketing tactic.

 

So again

 

Either prove me wrong. Or prove your claim. I am rather interested on what factual things you are basing your alien theory.

 

Actually No. Can shows high probability of something being true. I have not seen any indicatiors of this being the case. Nor have you provided any facts do back it up.  It however COULD be the case - could shows fairly small probability. Thats the reason why I did not say anything about your initial claim. Exept that it was an obvious ridicule

They are obviously not the same. I wonder why you would even think that, as they are about completly different things.

They have only in common that you cannot disprove them, since you would need to prove that something is not happening. Both theories have a probability greater zero, but that does not make them real, as you stated yourself.

[Vasilek]

Another thing with the Mm is it ability to stack different number of player on one side of the map.You start the game, ahead is cap a ,three ships on your side .....c.v planes fly over to show 5 or 6 ship facing you, no point moving forward.turn and run cap a lost .this called the Vasilek effect as appears to happen a lot to me. 

Of course on  the other side  of the map its weighed in our favour but no fun if you running away all the time.

[SV_Kompresor]

11 minutes ago, Vasilek said:

Another thing with the Mm is it ability to stack different number of player on one side of the map.You start the game, ahead is cap a ,three ships on your side .....c.v planes fly over to show 5 or 6 ship facing you, no point moving forward.turn and run cap a lost .this called the Vasilek effect as appears to happen a lot to me. 

Of course on  the other side  of the map its weighed in our favour but no fun if you running away all the time.

[Aethervoxx]

MM Balance.  Where? When? What (balance)? Why (balance)? Who (with whom)?

[ColonelPete]

31 minutes ago, Aethervoxx said:

MM Balance.  Where? When? What (balance)? Why (balance)? Who (with whom)?

A person that thinks that 55% winrate is the result of almost unwinnable battles, is unable to see that...