Matchmaker Discussion Thread & MM Balance

[__Hercules_]

On 6/6/2021 at 4:29 PM, ColonelPete said:

And that lowers your winrating.

AND i call that [edited] delux. my winrate are going upp......

[ColonelPete]

4 hours ago, __Hercules_ said:

AND i call that [edited] delux. my winrate are going upp......

And you do not think that winning battles, you gave up from the start, would improve your winrating more?

 

And no, your Ranked winrating is lower than your Random winrating, despite having more influence in smaller teams.

[__Hercules_]

10 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

And you do not think that winning battles, you gave up from the start, would improve your winrating more?

 

And no, your Ranked winrating is lower than your Random winrating, despite having more influence in smaller teams.

And here we have the problem where in my comment did i say i give up the game?????

 

I only named that i use the MM-monitor for rankt so i know if i can play for the win (play more offensiv) or save the star (more deffensiv) but not thunder deffensiv. 

 

But like you and other in this thread that cant read the number correctly or use them for depress other players.........

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, __Hercules_ said:

And here we have the problem where in my comment did i say i give up the game?????

 

I only named that i use the MM-monitor for rankt so i know if i can play for the win (play more offensiv) or save the star (more deffensiv) but not thunder deffensiv. 

 

But like you and other in this thread that cant read the number correctly or use them for depress other players.........

Saving a star is giving up, as you do not play for the win anymore.

You are just farming damage.

 

When you play for the win in EVERY battle, you win more as when you play for the win in only some of the battles.

[tsounts]

Why are people with over 20k battles and winrates of 48% allowed in ranked?

I just cannot believe the amount of stupidity there is in this mode.  

Even randoms in the morning felt like a pain... Where the hell is this game heading to?

[xe_N_on]

Vor 21 Stunden, tsounts sagte:

Even randoms in the morning felt like a pain... Where the hell is this game heading to?

 

Winning currently is like totally decided by luck and which team gets more bad players. I watch my games with matchmaker monitor and 75% of the games the average win rate of one team is a lot higher than the other, means the games are very one sided. Though I ending up mostly on the top 3 in my team (as DD), I loose like 20 games in a row.

[ColonelPete]

5 hours ago, xe_N_on said:

 

Winning currently is like totally decided by luck and which team gets more bad players. I watch my games with matchmaker monitor and 75% of the games the average win rate of one team is a lot higher than the other, means the games are very one sided. Though I ending up mostly on the top 3 in my team (as DD), I loose like 20 games in a row.

Then some people have luck for thousands of battles...

They should all play in the lottery, winning the main prize has even an higher probability...

[Pukovnik7]

11 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Then some people have luck for thousands of battles...

They should all play in the lottery, winning the main prize has even an higher probability...

Some people can carry a team by themselves. But what about those that need to work with teammates to win?

[ColonelPete]

4 minutes ago, Pukovnik7 said:

Some people can carry a team by themselves. But what about those that need to work with teammates to win?

Work with what you have. We all get the same teams.

[xe_N_on]

Vor 52 Minuten, ColonelPete sagte:

Then some people have luck for thousands of battles...

Statistically that is absolutely possible.

 

Sometimes some people can carry whole matches. Sometimes you cannot carry hard enough, even if you sink half of the enemy team by yourself. And the latter situation I have recently a lot, because 1/4 to 1/2 of the team is already sunk after 5 min play time. And while I'm not an unicum player, I do in my opinion quite good in DDs, but not good enough to compensate half of the team.

 

 

 

 

 

[ColonelPete]

28 minutes ago, xe_N_on said:

Statistically that is absolutely possible.

Yes, that is possible.

You can also win the lottery multiple times. We must have a lot of multiple lottery winners in this game. That must be the reason WG makes the ships so expensive.

[Pukovnik7]

1 hour ago, ColonelPete said:

Work with what you have. We all get the same teams.

And as usual, you completely miss my point... some people can carry a team by themselves. But most players need to work with the team in order to win. And when team is on a stupidity binge, it can be extremely frustrating.

[ColonelPete]

4 minutes ago, Pukovnik7 said:

And as usual, you completely miss my point... some people can carry a team by themselves. But most players need to work with the team in order to win. And when team is on a stupidity binge, it can be extremely frustrating.

As I said, we all have do deal with the same teams and even superunicums do rarely average more than 2 kills per battle.

That means we all have to work with the teams we are given.

Do you understand now?

[Pukovnik7]

21 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

 As I said, we all have do deal with the same teams and even superunicums do rarely average more than 2 kills per battle.

That means we all have to work with the teams we are given.

Do you understand now?

I understand. But I also understand that it is extremely frustrating when you do your best, and your team just throws the match. I mean, sure, stupid mistakes happen. But when your entire team makes "stupid mistakes" several matches in a row...

 

Fact is, majority of the players cannot carry their entire team by themselves. And when one team consists of potatoes... I have seen situations where a division - perhaps not unicum but definitely a well-coordinated division - was basically helpless in a match because rest of the team just rolled over and died. And when that happens, it is extremely frustrating - even if you are not, in fact, on the receiving side of stupidity. To me, facing a team of potatoes is only slightly less frustrating than playing with one. And I have seen teams which were less dangerous than bots in COOP.

 

That is why I hate open maps. With maps that have well-developed terrain, you can try and isolate enemies, fight them one-by-one, delay, ambush... but when maps are open, there is nothing to be done.

[xe_N_on]

Vor 9 Minuten, Pukovnik7 sagte:

Fact is, majority of the players cannot carry their entire team by themselves. And when one team consists of potatoes... I have seen situations where a division - perhaps not unicum but definitely a well-coordinated division - was basically helpless in a match because rest of the team just rolled over and died.

 

 

I recently had a 3 man unicum division from ENUF in my team. I thought, this would be a save win. I was so wrong.

[ColonelPete]

Just now, Pukovnik7 said:

I understand. But I also understand that it is extremely frustrating when you do your best, and your team just throws the match. I mean, sure, stupid mistakes happen.

That happens to everyone.

 

Happened to me today.

Team had to stay save, and was told to do that, but the one border camping BB that did not know what to do the whole match rushed into the last two enemies and got sunk, seconds before we would have won by a slight point margin.

Spoiler

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Pukovnik7 said:

Fact is, majority of the players cannot carry their entire team by themselves.

Fact is that no player can do that all the time.

 

[Pukovnik7]

29 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

That happens to everyone.

 

Yes, I know. Still, maps that break up battle more (and also promote brawling in the process) would at least reduce frustration, because individual players' contribution would be more visible - so even in a losing game, there would be some sense of achievement. But even that would depend on at least good portion of the team being able to take advantage of them.

[Bainsmit_steel]

On 6/12/2021 at 1:52 PM, tsounts said:

Why are people with over 20k battles and winrates of 48% allowed in ranked?

I just cannot believe the amount of stupidity there is in this mode.  

Even randoms in the morning felt like a pain... Where the hell is this game heading to?

Because Rank in this game is not competitive thingy like you would like to be but just another form of random matches. Also it will never be implemented rank system like in LoL and similar games where people with similar skills play with each other, as ther eare not enough people for it...i mean 80% of clans can not fill 7 people for CB. So from this stand point why they should not be allowed to play...they should play as they are legitimate players like you, me or anyone else in here wr has nothing to do with that.

 

To my opinion the only relay competitive mode in this game is Kings of the see event. Sadly even that event is sloppy as WG should devise real platform for e-sports and not use training rooms...but again are there enough interest for it?

[RazorBlade72]

I play this game now for 3 weeks and I just got my first tier X. A nice Shimakaze. I am very happy with it but I am not sure how this is taken into account with matchmaking. So far I have the feeling that the matchmaking is not perfect to say the least. I guess I have to learn a lot but but it is perhaps no fun for other people in my team. 

[Prophecy82]

On 6/12/2021 at 1:52 PM, tsounts said:

Why are people with over 20k battles and winrates of 48% allowed in ranked?
 

 

So you can grow with your tasks! 

Doesnt it feel good still winning a race while being the only one with ball and chain?

[Ubertron_X]

@YabbaCoe

 

Matchmaking really needs to be closely looked at after the introduction of hybrid carriers. I already had a lot of games that featured no CV but an imbalance in hybrid carriers (Ise) and it clearly showed in the results. A setup of 5 BB / 3 CA / 4 DD is not going to be a fair one if one side has 2x Ise and the other side has nil hybrid ships. It is the spotting power of the planes, not just their striking potential, that can and will often decide games and as such distribution of said ships needs to be as even as possible.

[GarrusBrutus]

1 hour ago, RazorBlade72 said:

I play this game now for 3 weeks and I just got my first tier X. A nice Shimakaze.

Im sorry to be blunt here, but you're totally not ready to play at high tiers. Right now you are litteraly griefing 23 other players by being this bad.

Take it slow. Learn to walk before you try to run. Do some coops, do some low tier randoms, watch tutorials, ask for help on the forum. But by all means: TAKE. IT. SLOW.

[RazorBlade72]

15 minutes ago, GarrusBrutus said:

Im sorry to be blunt here, but you're totally not ready to play at high tiers. Right now you are litteraly griefing 23 other players by being this bad.

Take it slow. Learn to walk before you try to run. Do some coops, do some low tier randoms, watch tutorials, ask for help on the forum. But by all means: TAKE. IT. SLOW.

Lets assume you are right, and I don't believe you are wrong. Is it then the fault of the user who obviously wants to play in the nicest ships or is it bad game design that places people who have little experience together with people who have much more experience? If somebody just starts to play football, then you would not expect an invitation to the Super Bowl after 3 weeks.

 

I have now this nice ship, which I paid good money for to get it so I will use it. I will not play bad on purpose but you can't expect me to buy credits for a good ship and not use it.

[Bainsmit_steel]

18 minutes ago, RazorBlade72 said:

Lets assume you are right, and I don't believe you are wrong. Is it then the fault of the user who obviously wants to play in the nicest ships or is it bad game design that places people who have little experience together with people who have much more experience? If somebody just starts to play football, then you would not expect an invitation to the Super Bowl after 3 weeks.

 

I have now this nice ship, which I paid good money for to get it so I will use it. I will not play bad on purpose but you can't expect me to buy credits for a good ship and not use it.

Play what you want in here there are a lot of elitists who think that  all others are bad...you are entitled to play what ever you want whenever you want within game parameters and others opinion does not matter at all.

[ColonelPete]

18 minutes ago, RazorBlade72 said:

I have now this nice ship, which I paid good money for to get it so I will use it. I will not play bad on purpose but you can't expect me to buy credits for a good ship and not use it.

And that is the problem.

Do not spend money on tech tree ships.

 

The normal pace you move through the tech tree is already too fast to gain the proper experience needed to be able to handle the next Tier. By spending money you shorten that time further.