[NVC] FunkyFireball [NVC] Players 18 posts 14,438 battles Report post #5326 Posted May 14, 2021 Vor 5 Minuten, DFens_666 sagte: I dont even know if they actually claim that anymore? They have said, they dont want to forbid players to enter gold league, so that means, skill is not a barrier when it comes to advancing into gold league. That makes their point at least clear. But the fun is still lacking then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] 159Hunter Players 4,528 posts Report post #5327 Posted May 14, 2021 9 minutes ago, DFens_666 said: I dont even know if they actually claim that anymore? They have said, they dont want to forbid players to enter gold league, so that means, skill is not a barrier when it comes to advancing into gold league. News on new Ranked, I kid you not: The number of Stars in the Silver and Gold Leagues has been reduced. This will make it easier for you to reach Rank 1 and qualify. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NVC] FunkyFireball [NVC] Players 18 posts 14,438 battles Report post #5328 Posted May 14, 2021 Vor 9 Minuten, 159Hunter sagte: News on new Ranked, I kid you not: The number of Stars in the Silver and Gold Leagues has been reduced. This will make it easier for you to reach Rank 1 and qualify. Well, yeah I read that. But it does not matter. Number of stars is not helping for quality in any way. Just defines the time to grind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] 159Hunter Players 4,528 posts Report post #5329 Posted May 14, 2021 1 minute ago, FunkyFireball said: Well, yeah I read that. But it does not matter. Number of stars is not helping for quality in any way. Just defines the time to grind. Where did I mention quality? I merely confirmed, with a post from WG, what Dfens stated in his post: WG wants all players to be able reach gold league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NVC] FunkyFireball [NVC] Players 18 posts 14,438 battles Report post #5330 Posted May 14, 2021 Vor 6 Minuten, 159Hunter sagte: Where did I mention quality? I merely confirmed, with a post from WG, what Dfens stated in his post: WG wants all players to be able reach gold league. Nowhere. I just want to point out that I do not care about this news aka number of stars needed. It just does not change anything. It cannot get much worse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] 159Hunter Players 4,528 posts Report post #5331 Posted May 14, 2021 22 minutes ago, FunkyFireball said: Nowhere. I just want to point out that I do not care about this news aka number of stars needed. It just does not change anything. It cannot get much worse. Are you new here? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NVC] FunkyFireball [NVC] Players 18 posts 14,438 battles Report post #5332 Posted May 14, 2021 Vor 1 Minute, 159Hunter sagte: Are you new here? Are you trying to troll? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] 159Hunter Players 4,528 posts Report post #5333 Posted May 14, 2021 Just now, FunkyFireball said: Are you trying to troll? No. The game quality has been constantly declining and WGs decisions haven't improved this one bit. Guess what subs will do... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #5334 Posted May 14, 2021 1 hour ago, FunkyFireball said: Sorry, that is a misunderstanding - the point is that uneven teams also appear in ranked. So WG claiming that ranked mm is somewhat skill based is not correct (from my experience). The measures they claim for ranked mm feel like "we hope it works". There is not ELO or similar involved that is proved to work. So far there is no mode with real even matchmaking - so it cannot be stated that it will take more waiting time. And still there is a skill filter in ranked. MM waiting time is a numbers game. It is known how skill is distributed among the playerbase. Certain levels of skill just lack the numbers. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NVC] FunkyFireball [NVC] Players 18 posts 14,438 battles Report post #5335 Posted May 14, 2021 I can live with any changes/modifications/new mechanics - as long as they and the capability of the players (!) are evenly distributed among the teams. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NVC] FunkyFireball [NVC] Players 18 posts 14,438 battles Report post #5336 Posted May 14, 2021 Vor 1 Minute, ColonelPete sagte: And still there is a skill filter in ranked. MM waiting time is a numbers game. It is known how skill is distributed among the playerbase. Certain levels of skill just lack the numbers. I get your point But they could improve it nonetheless. I do not expect full balance, but at least some steps into that direction. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BATES] leonport Players 298 posts 9,569 battles Report post #5337 Posted May 15, 2021 BALANCED F MM F MM F MM F MM 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,029 battles Report post #5338 Posted May 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, leonport said: F MM stupid people doing faildivs Fixed that for you 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BFSE] Echo_519 Players 347 posts 9,469 battles Report post #5339 Posted May 15, 2021 21 battles in order to just complete the daily missions. Cogratilation WG, you really know how to rigg battle to losses for people you don't like.... Can you at least tell me why the F... you hate me so much that you have to give me this kind of matchmaking? Unbeliveable how much worse my teammates are then my opponents in every single battle... Nothing random to recognise here, only rigging Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #5340 Posted May 15, 2021 14 minutes ago, Echo_519 said: 21 battles in order to just complete the daily missions. Cogratilation WG, you really know how to rigg battle to losses for people you don't like.... Can you at least tell me why the F... you hate me so much that you have to give me this kind of matchmaking? Unbeliveable how much worse my teammates are then my opponents in every single battle... Nothing random to recognise here, only rigging I cannot understand why, you are such a sunny person. Why would they rigg the MM just for you 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] 159Hunter Players 4,528 posts Report post #5341 Posted May 16, 2021 16 hours ago, ColonelPete said: I cannot understand why, you are such a sunny person. Why would they rigg the MM just for you Because... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[N-B-M] Takethatyoubeast Players 705 posts 12,887 battles Report post #5342 Posted May 16, 2021 23 hours ago, ColonelPete said: I cannot understand why, you are such a sunny person. Why would they rigg the MM just for you I think the MM takes too much of the blame The player base needs to learn how to play - I had a loss earlier in a Tier 8 DD in a T 10 match. We lost because 6 of our ships refused to move forward There wasn’t any danger to them, it’s a herd mentality. If he isn’t moving then I won’t. We had our Yamato capping alone in one cap whilst I tried to stop 4 higher tier ships flipping the one I had capped The same is true of wins where the enemy team are all hiding or huddled around an island That isn’t MM, that’s the player base 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NVC] FunkyFireball [NVC] Players 18 posts 14,438 battles Report post #5343 Posted May 16, 2021 Vor 52 Minuten, Takethatyoubeast sagte: I think the MM takes too much of the blame The player base needs to learn how to play - I had a loss earlier in a Tier 8 DD in a T 10 match. We lost because 6 of our ships refused to move forward There wasn’t any danger to them, it’s a herd mentality. If he isn’t moving then I won’t. We had our Yamato capping alone in one cap whilst I tried to stop 4 higher tier ships flipping the one I had capped The same is true of wins where the enemy team are all hiding or huddled around an island That isn’t MM, that’s the player base Sure, players need to learn. But that is another topic! Nevertheless, then let the mm distribute these people better. Do not let them stack up on only one side. That does not help anyone to get better. Only strengthens frustration. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RAIN] GarrusBrutus Players 3,711 posts 12,535 battles Report post #5344 Posted May 16, 2021 1 hour ago, FunkyFireball said: Sure, players need to learn. But that is another topic! Nevertheless, then let the mm distribute these people better. Do not let them stack up on only one side. That does not help anyone to get better. Only strengthens frustration. If people are frustrated about constantly losing they should try to get better at the game. On that screenshot of yours I see, besides the teams not being that far apart statistically, a lot of players with thousands of games, yet they are still not even mediocre. What good would evenly distributing players do for them? It would only encourage them to even try less hard, because they win 50% anyway. All these posts about supposed unfair matchmaking yet I see very few of those players ever posting a thread with "I want to get better at the game". Funny, isn't it? You can't have your cake and eat it too. Want to have better matchmaking? Get good yourself. That way you'll atleast have one guy in your team who you can rely on. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[N-B-M] Takethatyoubeast Players 705 posts 12,887 battles Report post #5345 Posted May 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, GarrusBrutus said: If people are frustrated about constantly losing they should try to get better at the game. On that screenshot of yours I see, besides the teams not being that far apart statistically, a lot of players with thousands of games, yet they are still not even mediocre. What good would evenly distributing players do for them? It would only encourage them to even try less hard, because they win 50% anyway. All these posts about supposed unfair matchmaking yet I see very few of those players ever posting a thread with "I want to get better at the game". Funny, isn't it? You can't have your cake and eat it too. Want to have better matchmaking? Get good yourself. That way you'll atleast have one guy in your team who you can rely on. I’ve seen people with 30,000 plus battles and a sub 40% win rate - they are not interested in learning to play better, not after so many games I’ve been in ranked games with people who have Tier X ship, with a sub 30% WR after hundreds of games in it it would have to change to a skill / WR MM to stop them being in your team How about a sub 40 WR MM, then 40% to 45% MM with smaller gaps as you approach average player level ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,029 battles Report post #5346 Posted May 16, 2021 12 minutes ago, Takethatyoubeast said: I’ve seen people with 30,000 plus battles and a sub 40% win rate - they are not interested in learning to play better, not after so many games I had a guy in ranked with like 14+k battles and <40% WR on his account... you wanna hear the worst thing yet? He started to order everybody around, and when we didnt do what he said,he suicided. So not only does he suck, no, he also thinks he is the best player in the game 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[N-B-M] Takethatyoubeast Players 705 posts 12,887 battles Report post #5347 Posted May 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, DFens_666 said: I had a guy in ranked with like 14+k battles and <40% WR on his account... you wanna hear the worst thing yet? He started to order everybody around, and when we didnt do what he said,he suicided. So not only does he suck, no, he also thinks he is the best player in the game I think even makes it worse when someone who has no clue how to play well, tells other people what they need to do . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] 159Hunter Players 4,528 posts Report post #5348 Posted May 17, 2021 Just face it, this playerbase is garbage. A lot of players lack skill but even more just don't play to win. All they want is to farm large damage numbers and take first spot on scoreboard. Teamplay you ask? Sorry, no such thing to be found here. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NLD] Genie_of_the_Lamp Players 160 posts 37,001 battles Report post #5349 Posted May 17, 2021 Just another match in Matchmaking Hell 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[N-B-M] Takethatyoubeast Players 705 posts 12,887 battles Report post #5350 Posted May 17, 2021 5 hours ago, Genie_of_the_Lamp said: Just another match in Matchmaking Hell Does anyone know how the “split” into teams happens Had a mare of a day today with lots of sub 42% WR players but if they are counted the same way as someone in the same class and tier of ship but with a 62% WR it’s already going to be hard slog Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
