Matchmaker Discussion Thread & MM Balance

[arttuperkunas]

3 minutes ago, Wolf_Harms said:

Yes, I sometimes recorded a match, but with my GEFORCE video part - how did you record your REVIEW? It was even interactive still - I could change the MAP size for example, or check the TEAM.
I didn't even know such a REVIEW could be done in WoWS? Never saw it!

 

WOWS automatically records replays of matches... I think you can manually disable it, but it should be on by default?

 

https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/111526-how-do-i-watch-replays/

[Wolf_Harms]

Oh, great - that was totally new for me - thx arttuperkunas!

[arttuperkunas]

52 minutes ago, Wolf_Harms said:

But I do not only curse. I often try to give some hints or advice for noobs - with the result that I get cursed. "STFU! Who are YOU?? Do you think you're the Admiral? You are only 47% player, so shut up!"
And I was only trying to still be helpful for my TEAM, after getting sunk. With the hands and concentration free, I thought I could assist the TEAM via MAP. But I guess I should drop that. Not wanted.

Also, speaking as one rear seat admiral to another, a word of advice (that I wish I would follow in my own games):

 

"Yes, I want to get nonstop tactical advice in a hectic combat situation from the guy who died first"

-No one ever

[159Hunter]

12 hours ago, Besserwisser3000 said:

But then again, the the management at WG probably is in cahoots with the devs, so they failed as well.

Then again, as long as they meet their financial goals. Why should they change the way the development team works?

12 hours ago, Besserwisser3000 said:

We are all aware of that. But doesn`t that just show my point? What they think is good actually fucked it up on the long run.

They don`t see how I just log off if I feel that my T7 premium (20-30 EUR) will be bottom tier in the next match anyway. And by that I don`t mean p2w MM should be introduced. Paying and then getting f**** over like that just alienates people even more. To this day they have failed to come up with a solution to this problem.  Instead, they made it worse by introducing T10 premiums and T10 premium camos. Who would have thought that this will lead to the MM will being skewed towards T10?

We don't have the sales numbers and the profit margins. So all we do is speculate. Maybe WG's data shows that selling high tier premiums is more profitable?

Or that the way they introduce shiplines now (with containers, temporary currency ... ) nets them a lot more cash than 3 years ago. We don't know.

12 hours ago, Besserwisser3000 said:

I have an excel sheet with almost 1k games. And the rate of being bottom tier is about 60% for T7 and 8. Why should I take WGs words over my own observations and records?

ColonelPete may think that is fine, but many paying players will just leave, because they feel cheated.

60%? Sounds possible, I can't remember what the target number was for WG.

As for many people leaving, I don't really see "many people leaving" in the player numbers.

12 hours ago, Besserwisser3000 said:

 

This ist just one example, though. Some of the questionable changes over the past 2-3 years were:

- CV rework

- OP premiums like Thunderer, Smolensk, etc

- Skill rework

- introduction of a gacha style container system to milk people with a gambling addiction

- T10 premiums and premium camos

You forgot submarines ;)

 

Yes, you are right, I don't like all of those things. And if you solely look at them from a gameplay perspective they are bad.

Now try looking at them from a business (as in money making) perspective. Then all of them start making sense.

No game lasts forever, WOWs already has a pretty good run. So if the CFO & CEO decides that it's worth the risk (alienating players vs revenue) then who are we to judge them? They are first and foremost a business.

12 hours ago, Besserwisser3000 said:

Why I still play the game? Because it`s a good game at its core. And I haven`t let go just yet.

But as someone who has been playing it on and off for the past 5 years, I can clearly see the deterioration over the past 2-3 years.

And the amount of bots you meet at T4-5 matches ist testament to this.

I play a lot less as well, I get that.

As for the bots: I dislike low tier gameplay and seal clubbing even more. So I won't venture in those regions.

Do keep in mind that high tier got a lot more accessible over the years + WG stimulates high tier gameplay.

[COPlUM]

11 hours ago, GarrusBrutus said:

Helping your teammates win fights is always a good thing.

I'll specify, if xXxBIzmark_SniperrxXx on my team got himself isolated on the edge of the map and he's been dodging torps from xXxShimakaze_FlankerXxX on the enemy team, xXxBIzmark_SniperrxXx can ping me all he wants, I'm not going there to help because 9/10 my time is better spent elsewhere. xXxBIzmark_SniperrxXx and xXxShimakaze_FlankerXxX are wasting eachothers time, that's good.

[COPlUM]

11 hours ago, GarrusBrutus said:

"Letting teammates die", indeed sounds bad. "Not trying to save obvious potatoes from certain death", sounds a whole lot better and is in fact very beneficial to your own survival and in return will increase your winrate.

Yeah that's what I meant

[COPlUM]

7 hours ago, Wolf_Harms said:

Damn, now I feel guilty! Thank you for all your effort and explanatory details, Nikolai!

Don't feel guilty, you didn't do anything wrong. You were wrong about improving your play being a waste of time "because matchmaker decides the outcome" but that's not unique to you, this topic is 205 pages of that. Besides the many tips and advice you already got up here, watch streamers, the good ones, Ichase, Sea Lord Mountbatten, Flamu. They're way better at the game than me and explain what they do for a living so they're way better at that too. If you study game mechanics (armor schemes, what overmatches what, what are the parameters of the ships I'm about to fight etc) and make a habit of watching good players finish the round after you die and make a habit of watching good content creators play + actually listen to their reasoning for the choices they make ingame. Your stats will shoot up too.

There's much better advice out there than mine, I still make plenty mistakes. But the biggest mistake is to stop learning and just blame matchmaker/teammates, that mistake I no longer make. This topic is 205 pages of people making the biggest mistake.

[Dampfboot]

WG, here is more customer feedback for you to ignore: Three times in a row TX game with a TVIII ship. Fun & engaging^tm

[Besserwisser3000]

Another nice match. Thank you WG, I really appreciate you putting every single edited* on my team. Top Tier shops hiding behind the last island at full hp.

The tragic part is that the Amagi got 2 kills in the end and now thinks that he is anything but bad.

Is that your vison for this game? What a crap company.

 

Edit: insults

[Altsak]

We're playing at Gale. Played 6 games tonight - 5 storm clans and only one Gale against us. What gives @MrConway?

 

Please give us potato clans to fight against :/

[ObiWankov]

@Altsak MM in CB is additionally based on winrate of the used rating and not only your league (assuming league even matters). you can be matched against hurricane teams with a WR of 80+ in storm already

[RamboCras]

I love my Massa (even though WG massively nerved it's sec.), my first game is always with this ship.

 

I noticed that when start playing with a tier 8 in the first game 90+%of the games am not top tier, most frequently I land in a tier X game. Is that just my imagination or is the algorithm WG created just bad?

[humpty_1]

so many games like this, it lasted 7mins in total. 2 dds dead within 2 to 3 mins...

[ColonelPete]

5 minutes ago, humpty_1 said:

so many games like this, it lasted 7mins in total. 2 dds dead within 2 to 3 mins...

The DD were not your problem.

[Kap__K]

the problem comes from the players

[ZlyAQ]

5 times yes 5 times in a row, playing VII I was drawn to IX, what a toxic crap!

[ColonelPete]

Just now, ZlyAQ said:

5 times yes 5 times in a row, playing VII I was drawn to IX, what a toxic crap!

14k battles and that makes you feel bad?

[ZlyAQ]

2 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

14k bitew i to sprawia, że czujesz się źle?

I feel bad incompetence and lack of ideas from developers.

[ColonelPete]

Just now, ZlyAQ said:

I feel bad incompetence and lack of ideas from developers.

Why? It worked for you for over 14k battles. What changed?

[_HomTanks_]

But who wouldn't like to play against 6 DDs and double T6 CVs in a super fast BB like New York?

 

[159Hunter]

1 hour ago, Execute0rder66 said:

But who wouldn't like to play against 6 DDs and double T6 CVs in a super fast BB like New York?

 

Well, the issue is the inter class balance that has left cruisers in a worse state after the skill rework. 

MM can only make matches with available ships.

[DFens_666]

1 hour ago, Execute0rder66 said:

 



 

Ah, we finaly got rid of all those HE monsters aka Cruisers... farming poor BBabies

Ofc more people play DD now, so naturally, people should pick up Cruisers...

but instead, BBabies will whine like no tomorrow and demand nerfs for DDs and buffs for BBs!

[ForlornSailor]

Back in the day, many people warned, that the game will suffer, if cruisers will be extinct. Ofc hardly anyone took them serious because why would cruisers be extinct? The warning signs have been there for a long time.

I had several ranked games yesterday with 3 BB + 4 DD. they were all horrible roflstomps one way or the other. Conclusions is, the people from back then were absolutly right. Prolly more right than they thought they would be.

[_HomTanks_]

1 hour ago, 159Hunter said:

Well, the issue is the inter class balance that has left cruisers in a worse state after the skill rework. 

MM can only make matches with available ships.

 

1 hour ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Ah, we finaly got rid of all those HE monsters aka Cruisers... farming poor BBabies

Ofc more people play DD now, so naturally, people should pick up Cruisers...

but instead, BBabies will whine like no tomorrow and demand nerfs for DDs and buffs for BBs!

Nah, i played other T5 games to see MM, it wasn't the case. In some games there were less BBs than cruisers.

Most players in T5-6 and below are new and don't even know what commander skill work is anyway.

It was just an MM glitch that happens once in a while and i wanted to take attention to the funny MM for that specific game.

[KOOKen1]

I just say skrew it.

 

I got like 100 premiums, and i dont like to get uptierd almost every game, thats not why i got them. The point was to play a fun ship on an even field.

I can understand grinding and levling has its bonuses beeing uptierd, but for premiums?

I would accept a plus minus one level difference, it would make it somewhat ok.

 

But for now, its quit to port for every game that is plus 2.