Matchmaker Discussion Thread & MM Balance

[COPlUM]

14 hours ago, John_Selfprinter said:

Literally no AA

I'll put AA in numbers to help you understand why it's placebo :

Your icarus does 70 damage per second to planes over 2km, the planes need to be in your 2km zone for about 3 seconds to strike you, you're doing 210 damage to the planes every time they strike you for 5K. One plane at T6 has about 1500HP, you don't need to kill one plane to stop a squadron from repeatedly striking you for 5K, you need to kill the entire squadron to make it stop.

A CV could zig zag his squadron over your DD for fun the entire duration of the match without striking you and you still wouldn't have killed the planes by the end of the match, that's how pointless talking about AA is so stop doing it lol.

[ForlornSailor]

Just now, NikolayKuznetsov said:

Your icarus does 70 damage per second to planes over 2km, the planes need to be in your 2km zone for about 3 seconds to strike you, you're doing 210 damage to the planes every time they strike you for 5K. One plane at T6 has about 1500HP, you don't need to kill one plane to stop a squadron from repeatedly striking you for 5K, you need to kill the entire squadron to make it stop.

 

And dont forget to mention: once the planes fly back home to the mother-hen, they magically have full health again. So the awesome AA-damage, you fought so hard to get it, with sector reinforcement of even capatian skills (lol) is all for nothing.

[COPlUM]

Flamu just did a vid where he builds a Vermont for AA with the new skill system and it couldn't prevent drops from a T8 CV. They don't want you stopping planes, for the same reason CVs can't flood, can't detonate and can't burn. And yet there's still people here "B...b..but what if I take BFT on my jervis"

[ColonelPete]

12 minutes ago, NikolayKuznetsov said:

Flamu just did a vid where he builds a Vermont for AA with the new skill system and it couldn't prevent drops from a T8 CV. They don't want you stopping planes, for the same reason CVs can't flood, can't detonate and can't burn. And yet there's still people here "B...b..but what if I take BFT on my jervis"

You should take BFT on your Jervis, but for other obvious reasons.

[ForlornSailor]

8 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

You should take BFT on your Jervis, but for other obvious reasons.

 

You need atleast, and thats bare minimum, have a captain with 13 skills points for that. Who has that when grinding Jervis? Nah, the real way to get passed by those stinker-tiers (which they are these days) is to grind every silver ship in operations. T6 + T7. So then you can enjoy your T8 ships and beeing raped by Enterprise, MVR & other CVs :) Or you avoid that all and play a BB from the start.

[COPlUM]

5 hours ago, DFens_666 said:

You outspot him by 800m, oh wait, you dont have CE, you should work on getting that ASAP.

Jervis outspots akizuki by 100m or something because akizuki can slot conceal module, not enough to outspot it. Fighting an akizuki in a jervis is rough. Other than approaching a smoked up akizuki with hydro, you're pretty much shlt out of luck in a jervis :p

[DFens_666]

1 minute ago, NikolayKuznetsov said:

Jervis outspots akizuki by 100m or something because akizuki can slot conceal module, not enough to outspot it. Fighting an akizuki in a jervis is rough. Other than approaching a smoked up akizuki with hydro, you're pretty much shlt out of luck in a jervis :p

 

Wasnt he talking about the Blyska tho? It was a bit confusing with how he described the 2 enemy DDs, but if it was the Blyska, he can have a concealment advantage.

The only chance you have, is to hope the enemy DD starts shooting you, then you can smoke up while not blocking your teammates LoS. Hope they shoot him, and you should also shoot him. Only way to wither him down over time. Atleast he could be in a situation, where his concealment is not worse than the enemies... having a T7 DD with worse concealment than T8 or 9 DDs is a totaly different story, as you would need to try to spot them somehow.

[COPlUM]

4 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said:

You need atleast, and thats bare minimum, have a captain with 13 skills points for that. Who has that when grinding Jervis? Nah, the real way to get passed by those stinker-tiers (which they are these days) is to grind every silver ship in operations. T6 + T7. So then you can enjoy your T8 ships and beeing raped by Enterprise, MVR & other CVs :) Or you avoid that all and play a BB from the start.

If you're playing crappy T6s/T7s with crappy commanders because you're just grinding through a line for T10, yes, struggle is real.
But if you have high level captains in T6s/T7s that handle bottom tier well, some can actually be fun.

[COPlUM]

24 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

You should take BFT on your Jervis, but for other obvious reasons.

Dakka
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[SV_Kompresor]

On 12/18/2020 at 10:15 AM, Excavatus said:

Actually I don't like going into the same team.. 

we've once went in there with 7 people.. and lost.. 

it was... have no words... 

deserved all the heat we've had.. 

Actually...we won that one. We did almost throw it, but that was mostly due to us laughing too much.

Spoiler

 

[COPlUM]

Yesterday I played great but couldn't get a win if I murdered half the enemy team, broke my losing-streak record, stopped counting at 15 losses.
Today I'm playing average, not great, 9 wins in a row. It's as if matchmaker knows hey we really screwed this guy yesterday lets give him a break.

[COPlUM]

3 hours ago, DFens_666 said:

Wasnt he talking about the Blyska tho?

Both, he was fighting blyska and akizuki in a T6, a miracle was required

[zekai7498]

two 160k dmg games in georgia,both of them lost.Its happening millonth time.What it takes to win? of course RNG on MM.Chosing best potatoes of the season for my team... 

[ForlornSailor]

4 hours ago, zekai7498 said:

two 160k dmg games in georgia,both of them lost.Its happening millonth time.What it takes to win? of course RNG on MM.Chosing best potatoes of the season for my team... 

 

Try some ranked and tell me what you think about the matchmaking then ;)

 

Im not even gonna go there. Ill just meditate to prevent myself from getting a stroke. ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......................

[Lootboxer]

On 12/28/2020 at 6:32 PM, NikolayKuznetsov said:

Yesterday I played great but couldn't get a win if I murdered half the enemy team, broke my losing-streak record, stopped counting at 15 losses.
Today I'm playing average, not great, 9 wins in a row. It's as if matchmaker knows hey we really screwed this guy yesterday lets give him a break.

It's basic stick and carrot, like that: Has he spent any money recently? No? Lets try the stick. The stick did not work? Lets try the carrot.

[Kuraiko]

Yo, Wargaming?
*knock-knock* (knocking on their heads)

Hm, sounds pretty hollow.

 

You still won't change the way the MM works.

Oh, and look at this replay. We waited less than 10 secs in queue with two T4 and one T5 and got +3 MM AND unequal ship classes per team.

That's the exact opposite of what your "How it works" video describes. So, if it's not supposed to work that way it must be broken. If it's correct you're either lying or have no clue yourself. 

 

Care to explain?

However, it doesn't really matter at then end of the day. The matchmaker needs to change anyway.

So will you do it already? Or is money flowing and that's fine. Better bring more content into the game so there's even more money to make.

Guess it's working, eh? What a sad bunch of people you must be. Rich and don't care. You sorry excuse for a gaming company.

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[ColonelPete]

Just now, Kuraiko said:

Yo, Wargaming?
*knock-knock* (knocking on their heads)

Hm, sounds pretty hollow.

 

You still won't change the way the MM works.

Oh, and look at this replay. We waited less than 10 secs in queue with two T4 and one T5 and got +3 MM AND unequal ship classes per team.

That's the exact opposite of what your "How it works" video describes. So, if it's not supposed to work that way it must be broken. If it's correct you're either lying or have no clue yourself.

What is not explained by the video?

That you shoot yourself in the foot by bringing such a division into battle?

[Chips_uk]

On 12/28/2020 at 6:32 PM, NikolayKuznetsov said:

Yesterday I played great but couldn't get a win if I murdered half the enemy team, broke my losing-streak record, stopped counting at 15 losses.
Today I'm playing average, not great, 9 wins in a row. It's as if matchmaker knows hey we really screwed this guy yesterday lets give him a break.

I've concluded match making is more literal than it sounds. It's not about balance, it just shoves players together. If any AI is in it, it's about pissing you off. This thread is about therapy... get it off your chest and continue opening the wallet. 

 

I mean - I have my moments; I'm on my second longest ever losing streak - and in 4 of those games I've played badly; realising mistakes and "wtf was I thinking" moments.

 

But when in one game I intentionally potato by straight line sailing into the cap from the start shooting my cruiser guns non stop (first to die, only do 11k dmg) - I was still better than 4 other players in the team at the end. How? (guessing spotting dmg?)

 

There's surely only so much matchmaking can do :D :D I just got so jaded I wanted to see if I played as *bad* as possible, would I be bottom? No.

[surfer_gr]

one of these days has been almost like that the whole week or so lols ...people have no idea  prolly is the snowflakes but has been horried lately lols 

[TheBradford]

On 12/27/2020 at 11:42 PM, John_Selfprinter said:

Well, I don´t know what nation and classes you are playing, but I definitely DO MIND playing T5 vs. T7 ships and don´t like playing T6 vs T8 in general.

I mostly play the British and German lines (all classes) i still dont mind.

If im bottom tier, yeah its like 'urgh' but its all that more rewarding when i come top of the leaderboard and have managed to crush top tier ships and its not really that uncommon. Like I've managed numerous times to do great in bottom tier ships especially destroyers and battleships where as ive found cruisers suffer a bit more but not really all that much i just play more defensive and supporting role. 

 

As for CVs it goes both ways too. majority of my games in T8 CV games were in T10 games and up against T10 AA, there's wasn't much I could other than spot and try find ships splintering off from the pack. When ive played dds and there's been as you say an Lexington, even then i haven't experienced to many problems, as the short but numerous smokes really help out and not many CV players have the patience to wait 45 seconds.

 

The bigger issue is more around why MM doesnt evenly distribute radar cruisers, quite often my team or the enemy will have 4/5 radar cruisers where the enemy/my team has none or 1, and as a DD that's a much bigger problem. I know the common argument is "be more situational aware" however not all DDs have 20km torps, my daring and Z-52 only have 10km and with the passive play at t10 it means you have to usually get within that radar range to get torps away. Plus if you spot a radar ship like petro, desmoine who's conclement is already low, they know that a dd is around and pop that radar.

[Martio_Batch]

[Martio_Batch]

Why is the MM dooming ppl always in bad teams that won't win the game?

For me it is impossible to rank out because i only get teams with unwilling ppl. Of course almost all the time the enemy teams are competive on the same time. I don't get it why...

Do i need to buy something to get better teams or another MM?

[Martio_Batch]

[The_Lone_Neutron]

Useless, we play rank with in game MM leaving us in teams with peoples which have no idea about strategy and their advance is just because of the  others  people good play. The game is made just to play more and more and consume expendable resources. To buy others. This is why so many times we are in complete useless teams... The game is a business in fact... Doesn't matter how good you are, you are expected to play a minimum 150 games in order to reach rank one. When you close to this, suddenly you have just good teams and your advance is much faster. So annoying business model...you need to allocate 5-8 hours daily for good advance...

[ColonelPete]

1 hour ago, gggtacca said:

Useless, we play rank with in game MM leaving us in teams with peoples which have no idea about strategy and their advance is just because of the  others  people good play. The game is made just to play more and more and consume expendable resources. To buy others. This is why so many times we are in complete useless teams... The game is a business in fact... Doesn't matter how good you are, you are expected to play a minimum 150 games in order to reach rank one. When you close to this, suddenly you have just good teams and your advance is much faster. So annoying business model...you need to allocate 5-8 hours daily for good advance...

In other words, +0 MM is not the salvation players are looking for.

 

And yes, there are players who reach rank 1 in less battles...

https://wows-numbers.com/season/1001,Test-Season/?order=current_rank__asc#leaderboard