Matchmaker Discussion Thread & MM Balance

[Floofz]

On 12/12/2020 at 4:15 AM, KHETTIFER said:

This is nonsense, i played 20 matches in bismarck got put in T10 matches for everyone all consecutive matches.

This entire game is a scam tbh, MM runs in patterns and determines match outcomes with no scope for pulling a win if you are tipped to lose, hence nothing but blow outs.

Can someone also explain the immortal potatos aswell please, sits broadside infront of your team reversing, can't be damaged and completely ignores any notion of armor angling.

I've seen so much stupid sh!t in this game that completely contradicts how game mechanics are supposed to work, and the only logical conclusion that can be found is that WG rigs things, like giving 28% w/r players artificial buffs so they can try to balance out their W/R, force a win for them.

So it's not just loot boxes they scam with, but the game itself, not surprising though.

This game has no balance what so ever, isn't remotely competetive and also isn't remotely skill based- illusion through presentation.

 

Ive said this before, so many times. People still refuse to listen thou, I dont know if its because they spent so much money on the game that they feel like it has to be genuine.

But all in all theres too much stuff going on with MM and RNG for it to be completely random, theres too many patterns, too many streaks , for example ever noticed how your RNG is always god tier when your team demolishes the enemy team? And absolutely horrible when its vice versa? Or how about that last salvo ALWAYS missing when a potato player is on 2% hp  and completely broadside. Or 10 salvos in a row do minimal damage but when hes on 1% hp its a citadel. You can call it bad luck, you can call it confirmation bias, tinfoilhat, whatever. But if it If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

More and more streamers are getting fed up with the shady business practices in all forms, I dont see why this would be that different.

But theres no point in arguing about it, theres some proper religious zealots on this forum that would defend WG to the last post, so all you can do is quit, or do like I do, stop spending money and then when the time comes you laugh.

 

I for one hope that WG will at some point come to their senses and realize that greed will never win in the end. If you want a good profitable game then make people want to play, be happy when they play. Not this constant constant rollercoaster of anger and frustration and scandal after scandal. Fix the f*cking MM, balance the teams, remove +-2, fix CVs in the way weve told you to do it so many times or go back to RTS. And for the love of god stop puking out nonsensical dreamt up premium ships and actualy focus on real historical stuff. Give us more maps, more game modes and last but not least, try to minimize the RNG, I know this game will always have an RNG element but at this point its just pathetic.

 

For the time being youll find me in Warthunder

 

[cherry2blost]

On 12/19/2020 at 12:39 AM, DB2212 said:

I suggest you re-name Random battles to something like "You'll randomly be dropped into a battle where half the opposition are on clan comms together. Have fun with that crap"

Maybe you should join a clan with a social aspect? You know, make some friends, maybe?

 

Here is a 'fairly' typical couple of posts from our Discord last night..... This is what this game is about, making friends and having fun TOGETHER !

 

Cherry2blost: 

@everyone Yak52 is now the BAD Clans Official Morale Officer, you are required and ordered to have fun as and when he decides it is appropriate ! A spot in my personal Gulag awaits those that are proven to NOT be having fun ! !

 

 Yak52: 

@everyone So with all the crap news about Xmas and the fact we all miss each other how about a meet up on Wednesday evening 8pm for shiptastic Xmas fun. Yes another meet up but it will be as awesome as you make it! This is required fun based on 2020 turning out rubbish. Your Politburo and the Beloved (yeah right) Supreme Leader will provide real prizes to be won if u are awesome enough with a smile. All HMS & BAD included

[zekai7498]

19.12.2020 saat 15:15'de, Zuihou_Kai dedi:

it doesn't 

It should be

[ThePopesHolyFinger]

17 hours ago, cherry2blost said:

This is what this game is about... having fun

I think another descriptor for random battles should also be
You will randomly ALWAYS be bottom tier.

There is very little fun left in this game, playing with clan members does not change that.
Unless you're suggesting playing in a clan alters "random" battles?

 

[ColonelPete]

On 12/13/2020 at 6:27 PM, bl66 said:

Why? To make money. Beginners with ouw wr playing high tiers with no clue how to shine certainly get better rng, so that they stay longer in the game and spend.

 

On 12/17/2020 at 9:34 AM, Aethervoxx said:

Does anyone think most of the Wallet Warriors  would stay & pay if they weren't getting, at least, some preferred MM & RNG?

That must be the reason players complain about the inexperienced players (in premium ships) throwing the match for their team, because WG makes them perform even better? Just read this thread alone!

And where do all the 45%- WR wallet warriors come from when WG riggs the game in their favour?

 

Reality is hard.

 

On 12/20/2020 at 8:20 AM, Floofz said:

.., for example ever noticed how your RNG is always god tier when your team demolishes the enemy team? And absolutely horrible when its vice versa? Or how about that last salvo ALWAYS missing when a potato player is on 2% hp  and completely broadside. Or 10 salvos in a row do minimal damage but when hes on 1% hp its a citadel.

Does not happen to me or most other players. You must be special.

[Esteb4nn]

This picture shows the stats of a player which was in a game I recently played.

 

Wouldn't MM try to set players of the same experience level, considering their experience and overall PR if this other stats makes sense ?

 

Would it make the game more interesting for all players ? I still don't understand WG answers to the MM topic except maybe creating a match up as quick as possible...

 

Anyway, best wishes.

[ColonelPete]

8 minutes ago, Steph246 said:

This picture shows the stats of a player which was in a game I recently played.

 

Wouldn't MM try to set players of the same experience level, considering their experience and overall PR if this other stats makes sense ?

 

Would it make the game more interesting for all players ? I still don't understand WG answers to the MM topic except maybe creating a match up as quick as possible...

As you can read in this thread, some players think that WG supports such inexperienced players by giving them better RNG.

[DFens_666]

15 minutes ago, Steph246 said:

Wouldn't MM try to set players of the same experience level, considering their experience and overall PR if this other stats makes sense ?

 

Sure, if he would be banned to play T1-3, that would fit his experience.

[Aethervoxx]

On 12/19/2020 at 11:20 PM, Floofz said:

I for one hope that WG will at some point come to their senses and realize that greed will never win in the end. If you want a good profitable game then make people want to play, be happy when they play. Not this constant constant rollercoaster of anger and frustration and scandal after scandal. Fix the f*cking MM, balance the teams, remove +-2, fix CVs in the way weve told you to do it so many times or go back to RTS. And for the love of god stop puking out nonsensical dreamt up premium ships and actualy focus on real historical stuff. Give us more maps, more game modes and last but not least, try to minimize the RNG, I know this game will always have an RNG element but at this point its just pathetic.

Pretty much all this.

9 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

Does not happen to me

Of course not. How could a blind follower ever see the forest for the trees? Cause some know (or think) WG God is all powerful & incapable of error.

However, there are many, many doubters. Too bad, you'll never be able to whack all the moles. They multiply incessantly (all thanks to WG itself). You go on being a believer of infallibility.

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, Aethervoxx said:

Of course not. How could a blind follower ever see the forest for the trees? Cause some know (or think) WG God is all powerful & incapable of error.

However, there are many, many doubters. Too bad, you'll never be able to whack all the moles. They multiply incessantly (all thanks to WG itself). You go on being a believer of infallibility.

So this ALWAYS happens to you:

• god Tier RNG when your team demolishes the enemy
• abysmal RNG when your team loses (so you never have good results on a loss?)
• your last salvo misses on low HP broadside targets
• 10 salvos of minimal damage, followed by a citadel on a low HP target (which, by the way, contradicts the previous point)

Interesting...

 

 

[MimosA_A]

I felt like a was being quite shafted by the MM in terms of -2 battles, so I kept track for a couple of weeks. Was thinking of posting about it, but I thought, well ok, whatever. Then the last week is just the same old story.

 

60 games -2

27 -1

16 +- 0

14 +1

15 +2

 

 And today and yesterday: 9 -2, 5 -1. 1 +- 0, 1 +1, 2 +2

 

Really, I know some tiers are prone to be bottom tier a more than others, but this is just ridiculous. I have no issue with +2/-2 MM, but this is just ridiculous. Literally the only game to not have a ridiculous chance to have a game where you're not in the hands of your top tier ships not being utter potatoes is to play tier 9 or 10. This really needs to be fixed....

[Aethervoxx]

23 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

So this ALWAYS happens to you: 

* (As usual, a blanket unsubstantiated argumentative response by 'Pete').

• god Tier RNG when your team demolishes the enemy    * (Your assertion, Pete, for your argumentative exaggeration & what has 'god' got to do with this? - whatever you mean by 'that').
• abysmal RNG when your team loses (so you never have good results on a loss?)  * ( Another argumentative assumptive exaggeration by Pete - in a loss one can have a good personal result, as you well know)
• your last salvo misses on low HP broadside targets  * ( Of course, I bet even you have seen that, Pete)
• 10 salvos of minimal damage, followed by a citadel on a low HP target (which, by the way, contradicts the previous point) * (What nonsense have you, Pete,  made up on this particular argumentative exaggeration?)

Interesting...

 * (It sure is. It appears to me, Pete, you are becoming delusional with these outright lies and exaggerated innuendo. It wasn't me who referred to you as being 'argumentative' but there is a saying, "If the shoe fits wear it').

 

 

I don't make personal attacks nor do I try to imply anyone argues nonsense. I am entitled to my opinions as is anyone. However, Pete, your 'screed' above is full of outright lies, at worst, and is full of argumentative assumptions, at best, neither of which is condoned by the Forum EULA (as far as I can tell). 

[Maris_Piper]

Well I found this thread very educational indeed. I just thought there were Two Groups of Chimpanzee's one in red shirts and one in blue and they all grabbed a tile with the ship name and threw it in a bucket and got a Banana as a reward,  

[ColonelPete]

13 minutes ago, Aethervoxx said:

I don't make personal attacks nor do I try to imply anyone argues nonsense. I am entitled to my opinions as is anyone. However, Pete, your 'screed' above is full of outright lies, at worst, and is full of argumentative assumptions, at best, neither of which is condoned by the Forum EULA (as far as I can tell). 

In other words what I wrote does not happen to you and you attacked me for stating that it does not happen to me either. That is even more interesting.

 

So why it is not ok that it does not happen to me?

[MacFergus]

9 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

In other words what I wrote does not happen to you and you attacked me for stating that it does not happen to me either. That is even more interesting.

 

So why it is not ok that it does not happen to me?

Not like WG are squeaky clean reputation wise now is it

 

If they can rig crates what else is rigged ohh don't forget the Pay to Rico episode.

 

The rolf stomps that happen on a regular basis sort of casts suspicion on the whole MM process both for and against you.

 

 

[ColonelPete]

6 hours ago, MacFergus said:

Not like WG are squeaky clean reputation wise now is it

 

If they can rig crates what else is rigged ohh don't forget the Pay to Rico episode.

 

The rolf stomps that happen on a regular basis sort of casts suspicion on the whole MM process both for and against you.

 

 

• What has this to do with what I wrote?
• What has PR to do with rigging? Everyone could see what WG did
• Stomps are easy to explain, especially during the snowflakes event

[TheBradford]

Honestly the only time i find MM to be a problem is when I'm playing tier 8 and get up tiered to games with t10 CVs

I dont mind fighting T10 bbs,ca,dds, ect but i find T10 CVs an issue.

 

Like to point out i don't mind fighting t8 cvs when im t6/7 but there's something about t10 cvs when im 8 that just make its seem like 'what's the point'

 

The jump in power between t8-10 for cvs is immense 

 

other than that i dont mind MM for the two tier difference.

 

Maybe the issue of one team getting a bunch o light cruisers and the other getting a tonne of super cruisers is pretty naf 

[kolbi28]

HAHA  5 game today..5 easy fail...Sometimes bots are better in coop than my teamates..today..Random af***. This game a piece of crap..and 5-10 critical error/game..have fun..send my money back ..

[COPlUM]

I did 12 losses in a row today, topped the scoreboard in most of them, the best winrate team I had was 41,75% - 12 sets of camos and signals wasted at no fault of my own. My 13th game I had a decent team but my internet cut out, when I logged back in we won, I got 200 base XP so I bashed my modem on the wall and broke it. I know it's RNG but matchmaker needs some kind of fail-safe against being in full potato teams an entire day.

[DFens_666]

49 minutes ago, NikolayKuznetsov said:

I did 12 losses in a row today, topped the scoreboard in most of them, the best winrate team I had was 41,75% - 12 sets of camos and signals wasted at no fault of my own. My 13th game I had a decent team but my internet cut out, when I logged back in we won, I got 200 base XP so I bashed my modem on the wall and broke it. I know it's RNG but matchmaker needs some kind of fail-safe against being in full potato teams an entire day.

 

Playing during 200% events is always super bad... it was always a waste of camos/signals for me, thus i rather use them during Clanbrawls (or other modes where you get 2500 BaseXP). Atleast i wont be wasting resources to try to get a win, while my entire team is playing "how to be the most useless player in a PvP game?"

[John_Selfprinter]

V 26. 12. 2020 v 21:17 TheBradford řekl/a:

Honestly the only time i find MM to be a problem is when I'm playing tier 8 and get up tiered to games with t10 CVs

I dont mind fighting T10 bbs,ca,dds, ect but i find T10 CVs an issue.

 

Like to point out i don't mind fighting t8 cvs when im t6/7 but there's something about t10 cvs when im 8 that just make its seem like 'what's the point'

 

The jump in power between t8-10 for cvs is immense 

 

other than that i dont mind MM for the two tier difference.

 

Maybe the issue of one team getting a bunch o light cruisers and the other getting a tonne of super cruisers is pretty naf 

Well, I don´t know what nation and classes you are playing, but I definitely DO MIND playing T5 vs. T7 ships and don´t like playing T6 vs T8 in general. Yes, there are some ships you can so thing in (torpedo boats etc.), but usually it is quite bad experience, especially with DD vs. +2CV, CC vs +2BB etc. Your range of gameplay is really low., sometimes not even playable. Had to face Lexington in T8 battle in T6 Icarus. Literally no AA (3 km is nothing), short smokes and torps only 400m longer than spotting distance (6km). What the hell are you supposed to do in standard battle against Akizuki, Blyskawica etc. (both were there)? Tried going one side spotting, got ran over with Blyskawica (suprised going on full turbo against me), managed to get down half of my hp before I managed to dissapear while giving poor few thousands back (no turbo or good guns on Icarus) and then I became a feast for CV and shooting duck for cruisers and Blyska for next 5 minutes. Died after 7 minutes in game with around 7k dmg dealt, no point firing of any torpedo (no near targets) and that´s the story.

 

While having similar battles time to time it really sucks (like being hunted by Cossack and GZ in Vasteras, fun and engaging match, too). 

[DFens_666]

9 hours ago, John_Selfprinter said:

Tried going one side spotting, got ran over with Blyskawica (suprised going on full turbo against me), managed to get down half of my hp before I managed to dissapear while giving poor few thousands back (no turbo or good guns on Icarus) and then I became a feast for CV and shooting duck for cruisers and Blyska for next 5 minutes. Died after 7 minutes in game with around 7k dmg dealt, no point firing of any torpedo (no near targets) and that´s the story. 

 

You outspot him by 800m, oh wait, you dont have CE, you should work on getting that ASAP. Thats the only chance you have against highertier DDs, because your concealment is a bit better. If you dont have CE, but they do, then its almost the same concealment.

But either way, if he keeps rushing you, then he should also be rushing into your teammates, and then he should be dying faster. If he keeps shooting at you, try to smoke yourself up while not blocking vision for your teammates, so he stays spotted but you dont. Then you can shoot him from smoke before he can disengage.

 

9 hours ago, John_Selfprinter said:

Literally no AA

DDs dont have AA, the only ones which can expect to shoot down some planes are Smaland and Halland. But they dont have a smoke, so against a good CV player, they will easily die aswell.

Your short smokes with fast reload are actually a benefit against CVs. Other DDs have a long smoke, but also a long cooldown, during which the CV can easily strike them.

 

9 hours ago, John_Selfprinter said:

torps only 400m longer than spotting distance (6km)

With upgraded torps its 1km. You should try to play as little with stock ships as possible, because it makes life just harder.

[COPlUM]

16 hours ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Playing during 200% events is always super bad... it was always a waste of camos/signals for me, thus i rather use them during Clanbrawls (or other modes where you get 2500 BaseXP). Atleast i wont be wasting resources to try to get a win, while my entire team is playing "how to be the most useless player in a PvP game?"

The evening got progressively worse, I was at 18 losses and 2 wins at some point, late in the night I started winning again, today I'm getting some decent matchmaking. Yesterdays bad luck with matchmaking was so bad I went from being annoyed and frustrated to just laughing at what was happening to me.

Thank god for matchmaking monitor so I at least knew it wasn't my fault or I'd have lost my mind, I was very much getting screwed repeatedly. All red vs all purple, all night, disgusting.

[COPlUM]

14 hours ago, John_Selfprinter said:

T6 Icarus. Literally no AA

British DDs are unironically the only ship in the game with AA. They can spam smoke when they see the planes coming their way. This forces the CV to go get their free kill somewhere else because they don't want to wait around for 45 seconds. You can't shoot down planes obviously but nobody can. If you spam smoke two or three times the CV knows you're willing to do it six times and he'll just kill another DD instead.

AA is not a thing, destroying airplanes is not a thing, you need to understand it's placebo, forget it is a thing, the only way to survive planes in a DD is blowing your smokes, Brits have 6 of them, your icarus has 2X more AA than T10 non-uk DDs, your icarus has infinitely better AA than a Halland, minotaur or Montana, these ships have placebo AA guns, you have smoke.

[ForlornSailor]

16 minutes ago, NikolayKuznetsov said:

British DDs are unironically the only ship in the game with AA. They can spam smoke when they see the planes coming their way. This forces the CV to go get their free kill somewhere else because they don't want to wait around for 45 seconds. You can't shoot down planes obviously but nobody can. If you spam smoke two or three times the CV knows you're willing to do it six times and he'll just kill another DD instead.

And the "funny" thing about it is: the CV still destroys your game this way and has an impact on your effectivness and your teams performance. Because he interrupts you from doing your main jobs - fight for objecives and spot for your team. Not even talking about alerting even the most careless players about the presence of the DD, so no more suprise dev strikes with torps into a camping, oblivious BB.