Matchmaker Discussion Thread & MM Balance

[GarrusBrutus]

3 minutes ago, TunaRoll said:

As long as i know my own stats, why do you even bother? 

 

Well...despite your interest in my stats, you clearly did not understand what this is actually about...You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

Ofcourse I understand, but it's still ironic. 

 

My tip: stop using MMM since it only feeds your suspicions about matches being rigged one way or another. It's a self fulfilling prophecy. Better to not know the odds and try your best, than not try at all because it seems hopeless. You will see that not knowing your odds increases the fun you can have in the game. 

[DFens_666]

9 minutes ago, TunaRoll said:

As long as i know my own stats, why do you even bother?  

 

Because you judge your team based on their stats?

What would you do, if everyone would have hidden stats?

Alternatively, what would happen if everyone would use MMM and call you a noob for having hidden stats?

[TunaRoll]

Vor 2 Minuten, GarrusBrutus sagte:

Ofcourse I understand, but it's still ironic. 

 

My tip: stop using MMM since it only feeds your suspicions about matches being rigged one way or another. It's a self fulfilling prophecy. Better to not know the odds and try your best, than not try at all because it seems hopeless. You will see that not knowing your odds increases the fun you can have in the game. 

Your tip is actually true. I already stopped using MMM since it increases the frustration from the get go. But im still wishing and "fighting" for some more balance or fairness in this game to reduce those blowouts.

[GarrusBrutus]

1 minute ago, TunaRoll said:

But im still wishing and "fighting" for some more balance or fairness in this game to reduce those blowouts.

I think the entire wows playerbase will agree with you in that regard, no matter if you're a beginner or a seasoned veteran. Nobody likes the current amount of blowouts. If only wargaming had the interest in actually dealing with this issue. :(

[TunaRoll]

Vor 8 Minuten, DFens_666 sagte:

 

Because you judge your team based on their stats?

What would you do, if everyone would have hidden stats?

Alternatively, what would happen if everyone would use MMM and call you a noob for having hidden stats?

Im judging the MM and how the players are distributed to both sides. I am not judging a sole team or specific players by their knownledge/stats. There is a big difference. My stats are not hidden anymore if it makes you any more happy.

 

"Alternatively, what would happen if everyone would use MMM and call you a noob for having hidden stats?"

I dont care tbh. They can call me whatever they want. I do not call anyone noob or bad or something like that. Im only criticizing the distribution of the players through the MM, which increases the chance of having a blowout/ one sided steam roll game. I hate those one sided games. It is not fun loosing that way and it is also not fun winning that way.

 

I am just asking for more close, fair and exciting matches. And i know that a big part of the community and a lot of  "known" big CC´s on twitch are wishing for that, too. That`s it.

 

[TunaRoll]

Vor 9 Minuten, GarrusBrutus sagte:

I think the entire wows playerbase will agree with you in that regard, no matter if you're a beginner or a seasoned veteran. Nobody likes the current amount of blowouts. If only wargaming had the interest in actually dealing with this issue. :(

That is why im fighting for it as long as im playing and (halfway) enjoying this game, although I regularly need "frustration breaks". :D 

[Lordcrafty]

44 minutes ago, TunaRoll said:

Im judging the MM and how the players are distributed to both sides. I am not judging a sole team or specific players by their knownledge/stats. There is a big difference. My stats are not hidden anymore if it makes you any more happy.

 

"Alternatively, what would happen if everyone would use MMM and call you a noob for having hidden stats?"

I dont care tbh. They can call me whatever they want. I do not call anyone noob or bad or something like that. Im only criticizing the distribution of the players through the MM, which increases the chance of having a blowout/ one sided steam roll game. I hate those one sided games. It is not fun loosing that way and it is also not fun winning that way.

 

I am just asking for more close, fair and exciting matches. And i know that a big part of the community and a lot of  "known" big CC´s on twitch are wishing for that, too. That`s it.

 

my last match in the kaga was such a blowout that I'm now only unicum in the ship xD

[surfer_gr]

On 11/4/2020 at 3:28 PM, Taliesn said:

Epic statistics 101 fail? Yes, 2 wins out of 6 battles with Yamato, but well over 65% with Bourgogne over a more relevant battle sample size. So not sure what are you complaining about anyway. During the last 21 days and compared to your total average, you have a notable 4% better WR, a wooping 40% more Damage (obvs you've only played tier X ships in those 21 days but still) and similar PR.

pr i have no idea how this works i can do over 200k damge and get a pr of 900 even though at the score borad will be first with over 2500 base xp so i dont get it but i dont care either about that anyway after almost 30 k battles these total figures

are impossible to change to increase my win rate by one percent i have to do 300 straight wins lols

....... anyway i tell you no idea how pr works recent example

and well i only pay tier10 the last year or so

[DFens_666]

1 minute ago, surfer_gr said:

anyway i tell you no idea how pr works recent example

 

https://wows-numbers.com/personal/rating

 

PR is mostly influenced by damage and kills, and a little bit by wins too.

 

 

A win doing nothing vs a loss doing nothing is already like ~600-700 PR from the win alone.

On the other hand gettig 2-3 kills even with below average damage will grant you pink PR.

[surfer_gr]

i see so because i dont go after a kill meaning i would not waste a salvo on a ship that has 6k hp left and has 2 fires on it from team mates and i know he would be dead in a few secs and i prefer to hit the next full hp target makes my PR suffer oks nice to know lols

 

[ColonelPete]

46 minutes ago, surfer_gr said:

pr i have no idea how this works i can do over 200k damge and get a pr of 900 even though at the score borad will be first with over 2500 base xp so i dont get it

No surprise, because it does not happen.

[surfer_gr]

4 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

No surprise, because it does not happen. 

 what you mean lols ofc it happens told you lets see recent battles it means i have to do over 3100 base xp? really? lets see recent look at yama today 33% i dont want to post all battles one by one but wth

will post my latest win lols just in fresh fresh LOL

[ColonelPete]

2 minutes ago, surfer_gr said:

 what you mean lols ofc it happens told you lets see recent battles it means i have to do over 3100 base xp? really? lets see recent look at yama today 33% i dont want to post all battles one by one but wth

And you got over 2000 PR, not 900...

[surfer_gr]

well lets see the thundered battle had low damage cause i was shooting dds unfortunatelly cause not many would therefore cause i did not get the kills i got low pr but high xp? lets see ahaahah oks they must carry me a lot see all battles with bourgonee

pr 848 lols  and to be honest iam always top 3 with the freakin ship sure something else is the matter :P which i have no idea how it works :P

[Lordcrafty]

20 minutes ago, surfer_gr said:

well lets see the thundered battle had low damage cause i was shooting dds unfortunatelly cause not many would therefore cause i did not get the kills i got low pr but high xp? lets see ahaahah oks they must carry me a lot see all battles with bourgonee

pr 848 lols  and to be honest iam always top 3 with the freakin ship sure something else is the matter :P which i have no idea how it works :P

how do you have that win rate with 95k average damage? What are you doing in your matches?

[ColonelPete]

22 minutes ago, surfer_gr said:

pr 848 lols  and to be honest iam always top 3 with the freakin ship sure something else is the matter :P which i have no idea how it works :P

PR is a measure of relative performance. The average Bourgogne player is just better than you.

Spoiler

Average Bourgogne player has:

 

Stats	You	Diff	Average Player
Destroyed warships	0.86	0.26	1.12
Damage	95 104	19 680	114 784
Aircraft Destroyed	2.93	0.79	3.72
Win rate	56.81%	0.64%	57.45%

 

[surfer_gr]

Just now, Lordcrafty said:

how do you have that win rate with 95k average damage? What are you doing in your matches?

well its simple i flank and kill a couple of crusers and a dd usually on my own :P

[DFens_666]

29 minutes ago, surfer_gr said:

well lets see the thundered battle had low damage cause i was shooting dds unfortunatelly cause not many would therefore cause i did not get the kills i got low pr but high xp? lets see ahaahah oks they must carry me a lot see all battles with bourgonee

pr 848 lols  and to be honest iam always top 3 with the freakin ship sure something else is the matter :P which i have no idea how it works :P

 

 

There are only 4 Bourgogne players with pink PR overall (and with atleast 80 battles, which you need to enter the ranking)

 

Bourgogne is my ship with the highest average damage, but its not enough for Unicum PR even with 2 avg kills. PR is not a 1x1 measurement for every ship. It works kinda well for techtree ships, since a lot of different people play those (but if its a new techtree, then PR is also not that accurate)

For steelships, it will probably never be accurate.

[surfer_gr]

thats for 977 random batles average arround 95k btw my game play is agressive i dont camp :P

[ForlornSailor]

45 minutes ago, surfer_gr said:

well lets see the thundered battle had low damage cause i was shooting dds unfortunatelly cause not many would therefore cause i did not get the kills i got low pr but high xp?

 

So who cares about PR? If you want to farm PR, I suggest you get Kurfürst, get the range module, put yourself in the back of the map and shoot HE at Battleship. Thank me later.

[RobbanTheWicked]

Excuse an inexperienced sailor and forum interlocutor for intervening but something simply exhorted me to go out of my ordinary way of dealing with these happenstances and instead share this, to me especially clearly, perceived injustice where it just might be noticed by someone with authority to carry out due alterations in order for the algorithm to account for this specific sort of conspicuous distribution error and prevent it from occuring as it does come across as somewhat foredoomingly favorable for one side of this conflict over the other which feels out of place for this type of pastime.

 

 

I will say as much, my contribution overall was undoubtedly lacking to say the least. Yet I apparently place among the 5 highest scoring players on my party in this scenario and that, I think, is what makes this picture such a blatantly telling one and the game so much less attractive...

Now you may go on and point out how I have not explored anywhere near enough of the content needed for consideration to make this kind of call although that constitutes a substantially weaker argument than the observable evidence I've here brought forth and is ultimately besides the object.

 

Thank you for your time and efforts

 

[SV_Kompresor]

39 minutes ago, RobbanTheWicked said:

Excuse an inexperienced sailor and forum interlocutor for intervening but something simply exhorted me to go out of my ordinary way of dealing with these happenstances and instead share this, to me especially clearly, perceived injustice where it just might be noticed by someone with authority to carry out due alterations in order for the algorithm to account for this specific sort of conspicuous distribution error and prevent it from occuring as it does come across as somewhat foredoomingly favorable for one side of this conflict over the other which feels out of place for this type of pastime.

 

 

I will say as much, my contribution overall was undoubtedly lacking to say the least. Yet I apparently place among the 5 highest scoring players on my party in this scenario and that, I think, is what makes this picture such a blatantly telling one and the game so much less attractive...

Now you may go on and point out how I have not explored anywhere near enough of the content needed for consideration to make this kind of call although that constitutes a substantially weaker argument than the observable evidence I've here brought forth and is ultimately besides the object.

 

Thank you for your time and efforts

 

I'm gonna be honest with you....I have no idea what the phuq you just said. I think you just showed me how lacking my understanding of english is.

 

That being said, by looking at the picture you posted it seems you were talking about ranks of the players from ranked battles. So a couple of things:

 

1. Ranks in no way show the skill of a player. They show how persistent one is at playing ranked. Basically, if you play ranked enough, you will most likely reach rank 1 eventually. I'd say I'm a good player, but I've never gotten even close to rank one because I don't have the nerves for it.

 

2. Those ranks are actually pretty mediocre. Getting to rank 10 is very easy.

[DFens_666]

8 hours ago, RobbanTheWicked said:

Now you may go on and point out how I have not explored anywhere near enough of the content needed for consideration to make this kind of call although that constitutes a substantially weaker argument than the observable evidence I've here brought forth and is ultimately besides the object.

 

Well, then how about this:

R1 player with 504 games and 46,6% WR to get there.

Clearly, he is not a good player, yet he is R1. What does that tell us?

Ranked doesnt mean anything in terms of skill, so just ignore that.

[ColonelPete]

10 hours ago, RobbanTheWicked said:

 

I take your screen and I raise you with:

Spoiler

 

 

[surfer_gr]

3 hours ago, DFens_666 said:

Well, then how about this: 

R1 player with 504 games and 46,6% WR to get there.

Clearly, he is not a good player, yet he is R1. What does that tell us?

Ranked doesnt mean anything in terms of skill, so just ignore that.

well not very true cause to get there with this win rate means he retained his star in a number of battles so even if his team lost he kept progreessing somehow !!!!!