Matchmaker Discussion Thread & MM Balance

[ObiWankov]

this afternoon is like rolling a dice

[CptBarney]

Well at least you don't get 3-5-7 mm here like you did in world of tanks. Besides Skill based MM never seen a more hated system too be honest.

 

Plus ruined my credit gain sometimes in my T-54 Proto.

[Takethatyoubeast]

On 10/10/2020 at 1:16 PM, ObiWankov said:

this afternoon is like rolling a dice

Had some good teams today but some bad ones as well so it evened out

 

just wish people had more map awareness - playing standard mode 8 ships went western side leaving 4 of us to be focused by the other team who had sent 6 down our flank. And then to add insult to injury after tanking 2,230,000 potential damage in my Bismarck, I was told that I had run away despite at that time being 1 vs 3 at our base

 

Happy times 🥴

[Aethervoxx]

Again, more garbage teams than good teams thanks to the continuing WG cheats. A good fair battle = rare. A garbage cheat battle = common.

This game is certifiably diseased & the rot is entirely from WG.

 

[ColonelPete]

4 hours ago, Aethervoxx said:

Again, more garbage teams than good teams thanks to the continuing WG cheats. A good fair battle = rare. A garbage cheat battle = common.

This game is certifiably diseased & the rot is entirely from WG.

 

Why are you still playing?

The game must be really awful when you spend so much time on it...

[159Hunter]

8 hours ago, Aethervoxx said:

Again, more garbage teams than good teams thanks to the continuing WG cheats. A good fair battle = rare. A garbage cheat battle = common.

This game is certifiably diseased & the rot is entirely from WG.

 

By all means, enlighten us on the cheats being used?

 

[Aethervoxx]

9 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

Why are you still playing?

Why are you still postng?

6 hours ago, 159Hunter said:

By all means, enlighten us on the cheats being used?

If you can't figure it out on your own, you never will.

[ColonelPete]

12 minutes ago, Aethervoxx said:

Why are you still postng?

I have neither something against the game or the forum...

[159Hunter]

5 hours ago, Aethervoxx said:

If you can't figure it out on your own, you never will.

If you can't explain, you're just another whiner who cries without explaining why.

[Takethatyoubeast]

It’s always a mixed bag but it sort of evens out over time 

 

Doesn't make it any less frustrating though 

[Bindolaf_Werebane]

I'm not saying anyone is cheating, that's tinfoil hat material (I own one myself - or a few). However, anyone who thinks WG (or any company) would leave something as important as matchmaking to chance, is just naive.

[Echo_519]

Once again, i want skillbased matchmaking. I want my 11 teammates to have the same skills as me. I don't care that opponent would have much higher skills aswell with skillbased matchmaking, but at least i would not be stuck with 12 steamroll-losses in a row due to your stupid matchmaking hateing me so much it always puts the 11 worst players into my team.... This is so stupid. 14 battle i was the by far best player of my team and still lost 12 battle all in less then 5 minutes. Why the F do you always put me with such bad players and give opponent team half decent players? 

3 teammates die withing 4 minutes, 4 more follow in the next 2 mins and game over.

Seriously???

Please give us finally skillbased matchmaking. It is so stupid losing that many battle in no time. The only wins i can get is when i pull a super hard carry. Why? All opponents today got gifted with free wins nonstop. Just stupid teams with 7-8 ciomplete trash noobs throwing always and losing me all battles. Stop it, give us skillbased matchmaking, so this stupid steamrolles due to trash npoobs dying withing 4 minutes can finally stop.

 

[ColonelPete]

18 hours ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said:

I'm not saying anyone is cheating, that's tinfoil hat material (I own one myself - or a few). However, anyone who thinks WG (or any company) would leave something as important as matchmaking to chance, is just naive.

That is why there are MM rules...

[zekai7498]

How many edit* will be thrown on me,what kind of balance is this?

 

Edited: Language please

[anonym_ss00o4hlEGfM]

Hello.
Could anyone please point me in the direction of the person (or group) who are responsible for this:

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The matchmaker doesn't take into account such parameters as the upgrades and modules mounted on a ship, the number of skills and talents a Commander has, or a player's combat statistics.

More specifically, the part where it says "player's combat statistics". I would be exceptionally interested in reading an explanation as to what kind of drugs one must take or what kind of mental disability has to be obtained in order to arrive at a decision and statement like this.

[ColonelPete]

1 hour ago, DagoDagorath said:

Could anyone please point me in the direction of the person (or group) who are responsible for this:

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Lesta Studio

Ploshchad' Karla Faberzhe, 8B,

40H, Sankt-Peterburg

Nice travels...

[anonym_ss00o4hlEGfM]

10 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Nice travels...

So, that means that WG has never actually provided any logical explanation to that statement? And seeing the amount of your posts I guess I will be trusting you on that statement and take the option number 2 and not play anymore. For the record, whoever is the project manager or director or whichever person in charge of this insanity, claiming that battle statistics should not be taken in account, go on and hire people with no education or experience to work for a nuclear power plant, you will get a very similar situation to what is going on in-game right now or what happened in Chernobyl. Keep spending your money on aggressive advertising spam rather than making the existing player-base not quitting, or as you promote it, fun and engaging.

[ColonelPete]

2 minutes ago, DagoDagorath said:

So, that means that WG has never actually provided any logical explanation to that statement? And seeing the amount of your posts I guess I will be trusting you on that statement and take the option number 2 and not play anymore. For the record, whoever is the project manager or director or whichever person in charge of this insanity, claiming that battle statistics should not be taken in account, go on and hire people with no education or experience to work for a nuclear power plant, you will get a very similar situation to what is going on in-game right now or what happened in Chernobyl. Keep spending your money on aggressive advertising spam rather than making the existing player-base not quitting, or as you promote it, fun and engaging.

No. That means I answered your question for directions.

Interesting that you think that game design or design of nuclear power plants is something similar. It is not.

[Aethervoxx]

2 minutes ago, DagoDagorath said:

seeing the amount of your posts

He's the resident forum 'know it all'. He hasn't quite gotten to double the posts as his battle count but you can see he's working hard on that.

 

4 minutes ago, DagoDagorath said:

claiming that battle statistics should not be taken in account,

This is for public consumption. We have no way of knowing what the hidden WG software does to make up teams. WG protects this information behind a 'patent'.

 

On 10/14/2020 at 2:32 AM, ColonelPete said:

That is why there are MM rules...

Yes, the public rules only. WG does whatever it wants to the MM via their hidden 'patented' software - where the REAL MM is.

[Aethervoxx]

3 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

No. That means I answered your question for directions.

Interesting that you think that game design or design of nuclear power plants is something similar. It is not.

To be fair, offering directions to the Lesta Studio was funny.

Then, the know it all blows it by failing to recognize an 'analogy'. Typical dim wit 'know it all'

26,597 & counting.

[anonym_ss00o4hlEGfM]

1 minute ago, ColonelPete said:

No. That means I answered your question for directions.

Interesting that you think that game design or design of nuclear power plants is something similar. It is not.

Since you did not point to any information explaining said statement and instead went for a "funny" joke about directions, i replied with a similar joke. Shall we return to the original question? Pretty much every other online game that deals in some kind of group vs group activities employs a mechanic to sort out people of equal skills or experience. This is done across millions of various games starting from MMOs going to card games even. How has this company arrived at a conclusion, that a completely random mechanic is the best way to do it. Please, point out the individual (or a group) who is to be held responsible for this idea? And do not bother arguing that it's "random battles" so the matching should be "random" as well, because that could only be said by a person whose brain has no grooves of any kind.

[ForlornSailor]

1 hour ago, DagoDagorath said:

For the record, whoever is the project manager or director or whichever person in charge of this insanity, claiming that battle statistics should not be taken in account, go on and hire people with no education or experience to work for a nuclear power plant, you will get a very similar situation to what is going on in-game right now or what happened in Chernobyl.

 

Seems like you understand as much about Chernobyl as about game balancing.

 

50 minutes ago, DagoDagorath said:

Pretty much every other online game that deals in some kind of group vs group activities employs a mechanic to sort out people of equal skills or experience. This is done across millions of various games starting from MMOs going to card games even.

erm. no.

 

50 minutes ago, DagoDagorath said:

And do not bother arguing that it's "random battles" so the matching should be "random" as well, because that could only be said by a person whose brain has no grooves of any kind.

 

You can follow or look up the offical wargaming twitch account, look up some of the Q&A streams as well as some of the streams with the developers, and they will constantly say exactly this. So this should answer this aswell as your innitial question? You are welcome.

[ColonelPete]

1 hour ago, Aethervoxx said:

This is for public consumption. We have no way of knowing what the hidden WG software does to make up teams. WG protects this information behind a 'patent'.

 

Yes, the public rules only. WG does whatever it wants to the MM via their hidden 'patented' software - where the REAL MM is.

A patent is the opposite of being hidden...

And no, WG has no reason to hide their MM rules. If they wanted to hide the MM rules, they could just say nothing.

1 hour ago, Aethervoxx said:

...Typical dim wit 'know it all'..

Says the one lacking words after a couple answers....

1 hour ago, DagoDagorath said:

How has this company arrived at a conclusion, that a completely random mechanic is the best way to do it. Please, point out the individual (or a group) who is to be held responsible for this idea? And do not bother arguing that it's "random battles" so the matching should be "random" as well, because that could only be said by a person whose brain has no grooves of any kind.

There are enough games that do not use skill based MM.

 

Because a skill based MM does not work well when distributing the playerbase over 10 Tiers and 4 Classes in groups of 12. Other games that use skill based MM have much less variables (smaller teams, no Tiers, etc...)

For competitive play, WoWs offers different options, which could probably be improved. But random was not designed for that.

[Aethervoxx]

10 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

A patent is the opposite of being hidden...

And no, WG has no reason to hide their MM rules. If they wanted to hide the MM rules, they could just say nothing.

Says the one lacking words after a couple answers....

There are enough games that do not use skill based MM.

 

Because a skill based MM does not work well when distributing the playerbase over 10 Tiers and 4 Classes in groups of 12. Other games that use skill based MM have much less variables (smaller teams, no Tiers, etc...)

For competitive play, WoWs offers different options, which could probably be improved. But random was not designed for that.

WG hides their software programming - their 'patent' is in there - they say it themselves. It is their reason/excuse for not publishing their patent.

Oh & you just admitted it - they don't say what they hide, do they?

 Are you sure you aren't a paid employee of WG? Ofc, we won't know.

 No, random was not designed for competitive play, as you say. Caught you out finally    ROFL 

What is your post count up to now? No matter. I'm sure within an hour it will be higher.

I didn't think someone would waste so much time existing on a forum as your post count suggests.

[gabberworld]

On 10/8/2020 at 7:54 PM, Fatal_Ramses said:

30k damage, did all of our sides spotting in 2 bros. Literally all the "friendly" BBs came to our side abandoning C. If im rocking at 30k at the top of the list WTF are the rest of these potatoes doing?

 

lol