Matchmaker Discussion Thread & MM Balance

[Alfa_Tau]

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[DFens_666]

6 hours ago, TunaRoll said:

Actually, both sides should have both beginners and veterans in equal numbers, so that a certain balance arises.

 

There are enough players with thousands or tens of thousand of battles, who have no clue how to play... so balancing by that wont solve anything.

[tsounts]

9 matches today, all 9 lost! This is horrid! Doesn't even feel random, on several occasions I've had people with over 18k battles and 42% winrate or 200 battles and 38% winrate.... (note: quite few of them were in high tier premium ships)

 

Well done WG!

[Takethatyoubeast]

32 minutes ago, tsounts said:

9 matches today, all 9 lost! This is horrid! Doesn't even feel random, on several occasions I've had people with over 18k battles and 42% winrate or 200 battles and 38% winrate.... (note: quite few of them were in high tier premium ships)

 

Well done WG!

Feel the pain

 

i had 3 Tier 9 BB’s (2 Georgia’s and 1 Pommern) who were island hugging for over 10 minutes and only decided to come forward when the game was lost. Don’t press the battle button if you don’t want to fight or even try to) 

 

WR yesterday 60%, today 35%

[Sea_w0lf]

50 minutes ago, tsounts said:

9 matches today, all 9 lost! This is horrid! Doesn't even feel random, on several occasions I've had people with over 18k battles and 42% winrate or 200 battles and 38% winrate.... (note: quite few of them were in high tier premium ships)

 

Well done WG!

 

Hey mate

One of these battles we were enemies, i agree you played very very well and your team... i don't have words to describe..

I had also bad battles today with selfish people without care for team just to farm damage, The problem is not the %WR even if someone has 70% but potato mind he will ruin the game.

 

 

@Takethatyoubeast  3.. is ok,  look below the map.. Tea party mode is on..the chat was pink  due to collision between each others.

 

 

and i will repeat the problem is not the WR... but the mentality of the players.

 

[Takethatyoubeast]

19 minutes ago, Sea_w0lf said:

 

Hey mate

One of these battles we were enemies, i agree you played very very well and your team... i don't have words to describe..

I had also bad battles today with selfish people without care for team just to farm damage, The problem is not the %WR even if someone has 70% but potato mind he will ruin the game.

 

 

@Takethatyoubeast  3.. is ok,  look below the map.. Tea party mode is on..the chat was pink  due to collision between each others.

 

 

and i will repeat the problem is not the WR... but the mentality of the players.

 

Agreed. It isn’t WR it’s an inability to understand the basic concept of the game. Maybe a name change to “BB’s tea party” might be advisable 😂

[zekai7498]

Its unplayable,i cant carry todays teams which are heavily retarded.What kind of MM system creates teams like ''[edited] vs normals''.Its broken.

[ColonelPete]

10 minutes ago, zekai7498 said:

Its unplayable,i cant carry todays teams which are heavily retarded.What kind of MM system creates teams like ''[edited] vs normals''.Its broken.

Yes, life is hard...

[Takethatyoubeast]

57 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Yes, life is hard...

And this proves what, other than you are a very good player?
 

We are talking about people who have a few hundred battles in not over 14,000 

 

Not a fair comparison really 

[ColonelPete]

22 minutes ago, Takethatyoubeast said:

And this proves what, other than you are a very good player?
 

We are talking about people who have a few hundred battles in not over 14,000 

 

Not a fair comparison really 

And what do screenshots of bad players or teams prove?

 

Somebody claimed the game is unplayable and I showed that the claim is wrong. Nothing more.

[Takethatyoubeast]

4 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

And what do screenshots of bad players or teams prove?

 

Somebody claimed the game is unplayable and I showed that the claim is wrong. Nothing more.

For someone with over 14,000 battles!
 

Again we are talking about players who have much much less game time 

 

My last game - KGV loss - I was top XP earner
 

My team:

 

1st ship to die Mahan - number of battles 382

 

2nd ship to die - Graf Spee - 782 games

 

3rd ship to die - Aoba broadside on to a Bismarck at 7 km - 352 games 

 

I agree that doesn’t make the game unplayable but it does make it harder 

 

 

 

 

 

[Birkebein]

5 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

And what do screenshots of bad players or teams prove?

 

Somebody claimed the game is unplayable and I showed that the claim is wrong. Nothing more.

If winning isn't everything  how many of the games appeared extremely one sided?  I can sort of imagine a bunch of wins if I was part of a good division (that is, if there were two other good players in my division), but I'd also imagine the wins would be mostly very one sided... I have to imagine all this as I don't play in divisions (not against it, just haven't had much opportunity to be part of any).  Maybe if the matches are very unbalanced people are right to claim it's unplayable - maybe it's just a matter of perspective (and the challenge is to enjoy the one sided battles).

[Takethatyoubeast]

1 minute ago, Birkebein said:

If winning isn't everything  how many of the games appeared extremely one sided?  I can sort of imagine a bunch of wins if I was part of a good division (that is, if there were two other good players in my division), but I'd also imagine the wins would be mostly very one sided... I have to imagine all this as I don't play in divisions (not against it, just haven't had much opportunity to be part of any).  Maybe if the matches are very unbalanced people are right to claim it's unplayable - maybe it's just a matter of perspective (and the challenge is to enjoy the one sided battles).

I think perspective plays a part yes and you can turn games around we’ve all done it or had it done to us

 

 

 

 

[ColonelPete]

9 hours ago, Birkebein said:

If winning isn't everything  how many of the games appeared extremely one sided?  I can sort of imagine a bunch of wins if I was part of a good division (that is, if there were two other good players in my division), but I'd also imagine the wins would be mostly very one sided... I have to imagine all this as I don't play in divisions (not against it, just haven't had much opportunity to be part of any).  Maybe if the matches are very unbalanced people are right to claim it's unplayable - maybe it's just a matter of perspective (and the challenge is to enjoy the one sided battles).

One was very one-sided today, but did not feel like it as I had to help defend the weak flank.

[tsounts]

Our Richelieu this morning, had 33% winrate overall as a player and 87 battles in randoms... Yet, he got an Anchorage as well...

Seriously...

[StraightUpYourA]

It takes time for some players to get used to the fact that you get a new ship every 20min...

 

[SV_Kompresor]

Looks like I've been siphoning the good games I guess.

[Excavatus]

23 minutes ago, domen3 said:

Looks like I've been siphoning the good games I guess.

hmms.. 

we should div up more then.. 

I'm failing my mission to drag you down! 

[Birkebein]

6 hours ago, domen3 said:

Looks like I've been siphoning the good games I guess.

You've been winning - is a win the definition of a good game?  Just curious, how much better do you do in a division of 2 or 3, compared to sailing solo?  And, when you're in a 3 person division, do you feel the balance of the battles is affected?

[ForlornSailor]

51 minutes ago, Birkebein said:

You've been winning - is a win the definition of a good game?

 

Not necessarily. But winning is atleast better then losing.

 

52 minutes ago, Birkebein said:

how much better do you do in a division of 2 or 3, compared to sailing solo?

 

Not really relevant? But the general answer, if you talk about unicums, is pretty much this: Solo you can go to 60%, 3x divisions into the lower 80%. Sure, you might be able to push both numbers higher, if you are a super super unicum in a certain ship and / or you try hard. You might be able to push a T2 divi into the 95% range I suppose.

 

56 minutes ago, Birkebein said:

And, when you're in a 3 person division, do you feel the balance of the battles is affected?

 

Ofc it is. Because individual skill and teamplay. btw: you put 3 people with 40% WR together, and they actually start to have winrates in the lower 20% range. You can look that all up on the statistic pages.

[Bear__Necessities]

2 hours ago, Birkebein said:

Just curious, how much better do you do in a division of 2 or 3, compared to sailing solo?

A player can be just as dominant solo or div. It's the individuals who matter in that respect. Yes div'ing makes it easier. But a player with sufficient skill can still achieve fantastic results solo. 

Like this example below. Even it being a re-roll doesn't take away the skill factor of the player or the fact they can win most of the games solo.

https://na.wows-numbers.com/player/1036458028,Vasili_One_Bonk_only/

 

 

[Birkebein]

51 minutes ago, Bear__Necessities said:

A player can be just as dominant solo or div.

https://na.wows-numbers.com/player/1036458028,Vasili_One_Bonk_only/

Win rate in a 3 person division is close to 25% higher... so it doesn't seem to support the claim.

2 hours ago, ForlornSailor said:

Not necessarily. But winning is atleast better then losing.

This, I think is a matter of perspective, personally I'd prefer losing a hard fought battle rather than winning vs. potatoes and bots.

2 hours ago, ForlornSailor said:

Not really relevant? 

Looks like divisions affect the balance in the battles so it might be relevant - just depends what we feel the MM should accomplish... hard fought and exciting battles would be my preference, so maybe matching the number of divisions in each team would be an idea - my bet is there are more 50% plus WR divisions than 20%'ers.

[Bear__Necessities]

36 minutes ago, Birkebein said:

Win rate in a 3 person division is close to 25% higher... so it doesn't seem to support the claim.

..... look at the games played. It’s overwhelmingly solo. 30 div games is nothing. 

[Birkebein]

4 minutes ago, Bear__Necessities said:

..... look at the games played. It’s overwhelmingly solo. 30 div games is nothing. 

Not that many games played in total... anyhow, circa 25% higher WR is significant, if it was 5% then I'd agree (statistical deviation being what it is etc)

[zekai7498]

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