Matchmaker Discussion Thread & MM Balance

[Greek_Patriot]

On 9/2/2020 at 3:56 PM, goofy_balls_of_fire said:

I would not touch things like stealth, or weapon range, just raw DPM and HP

Beta tester with 1.2k battles? Hahahaha. I see WG is using guys with "vast experience" on the game. I can see now why the game is going from bad to worse. Whats next WG? Infant testers? Maybe chimp-testers.

[zekai7498]

8 saat önce, DFens_666 dedi:

 

10 players, each has 40% with 10 games played, so 4wins and 6 losses.

Now we let them play ONLY amongst each other for 10 more games. Lets assume, everyone wins 5 games and loses 5 games.

They have now 20 games played, 9 wins and 11 losses. Whats the new WR? 9w out of 20 games is 45% WR... So everyone starts with 40%, and everyone now has 45% WR. Eventually, they would all have 50%, some sooner some later, since they ofc wouldnt equally win 50%, some would win a bit more, and get to 50% WR faster than others.

Same happens to >50% WR players ofc, and at some point, the system defeated itself because everyone has 50% WR.

This picture belongs a teammate from one of my lost t10 game.This is the nutshell of the situation we talk about.Please answer this,wtf is this?

Would you like to see this guy in your team,or enemy team?Would you like to have a braindead to screw your game all day long?

There is a T10 game,he is in your team,all of his experience is 477 battles and %40 wr.Would you like to see him screwing your nerves?

Guys like these are not few,lots of them around,making the gameplay into sht.

[Greek_Patriot]

On 9/5/2020 at 3:40 PM, SexyBikiniGirl said:

Well, has WG ever been transparent about MM? Probably not because it would void any future copyright claims on their patent.

Nice joke. Who in their right mind would steal the pantent of WGs mm? Even if WG was giving the patent fror free noone would take it! Nice one though. It made me laugh. Any other good joke?

[ForlornSailor]

27 minutes ago, Greek_Patriot said:

Beta tester with 1.2k battles? Hahahaha. I see WG is using guys with "vast experience" on the game. I can see now why the game is going from bad to worse. Whats next WG? Infant testers? Maybe chimp-testers.

 

What you dont understand ist, that "beta tester" is an award given to players, that joined the game in the early beta stage. They have nothing to do with developing / balancing of the game, neither back then nor then. But nice strawman & personal attack, jumping his throat by drawing a conclusion & connection, that doesnt exist. How do you feel now with that information?

 

17 minutes ago, zekai7498 said:

This picture belongs a teammate from one of my lost t10 game.This is the nutshell of the situation we talk about.Please answer this,wtf is this?

 

Thats the state of the game right now.

 

17 minutes ago, zekai7498 said:

Would you like to see this guy in your team,or enemy team?Would you like to have a braindead to screw your game all day long?

 

Ofc not. And neither actually. Stomping teams like full of super bad players is equally bad as beeing caught in one of those teams. You either know you gonna lose no matter how hard you fight or you know the game is already won and you scramble to get anything done, because you know, that else its low XP & low credits.

 

19 minutes ago, zekai7498 said:

Guys like these are not few,lots of them around,making the gameplay into sht.

 

Most people here agree with you, I know I do.

And now the question: what are we gonna do about it - what CAN we do about it? All we actually can do, is, to appeal to WG to stop this madness. But it might not be in their interest. Those poor players throw more money at WG then we do, thats the hard truth. So its valuable customers to them. I dont agree with catering to this part of the playerbase but I can understand why WG does it. Thats the reason why balancing is done the way it is. Why torpedo DDs getting nerfed, AA is getting nerfed and BBs are getting buffed. Catering the playerbase, that fills their pockets.

[Greek_Patriot]

34 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said:

 

What you dont understand ist, that "beta tester" is an award given to players, that joined the game in the early beta stage. They have nothing to do with developing / balancing of the game, neither back then nor then. But nice strawman & personal attack, jumping his throat by drawing a conclusion & connection, that doesnt exist. How do you feel now with that information?

 

 

Thats the state of the game right now.

 

 

Ofc not. And neither actually. Stomping teams like full of super bad players is equally bad as beeing caught in one of those teams. You either know you gonna lose no matter how hard you fight or you know the game is already won and you scramble to get anything done, because you know, that else its low XP & low credits.

 

 

Most people here agree with you, I know I do.

And now the question: what are we gonna do about it - what CAN we do about it? All we actually can do, is, to appeal to WG to stop this madness. But it might not be in their interest. Those poor players throw more money at WG then we do, thats the hard truth. So its valuable customers to them. I dont agree with catering to this part of the playerbase but I can understand why WG does it. Thats the reason why balancing is done the way it is. Why torpedo DDs getting nerfed, AA is getting nerfed and BBs are getting buffed. Catering the playerbase, that fills their pockets.

I did too. So why am i not one? Maybe cause im not an accolyte. Thank god if i may add.

[159Hunter]

3 hours ago, Greek_Patriot said:

I did too. So why am i not one? Maybe cause im not an accolyte. Thank god if i may add.

No you didn't, otherwise you'd also have said tag. Has nothing to do with being an 'acolyte'. (Your lack of knowledge is more troublesome than his amount of battles)

In any case, WG wants all sorts of players to super test. So they have a broader view on how their ships/changes perform for all playertypes.

[DFens_666]

10 hours ago, Greek_Patriot said:

I did too. So why am i not one? Maybe cause im not an accolyte. Thank god if i may add.

 

Your account is registered 4/11/2015 - which is after wows Beta.

 

11 hours ago, zekai7498 said:

This picture belongs a teammate from one of my lost t10 game.This is the nutshell of the situation we talk about.Please answer this,wtf is this?

Would you like to see this guy in your team,or enemy team?Would you like to have a braindead to screw your game all day long?

There is a T10 game,he is in your team,all of his experience is 477 battles and %40 wr.Would you like to see him screwing your nerves?

Guys like these are not few,lots of them around,making the gameplay into sht.

 

 

Well, i would be lying, if i wouldnt admit that i got my WR from the back of those players.

But seperating players like you, him and me from one another wont help anyone really. What needs to happen is, that WG starts to educate their playerbase more, and stops those people from playing hightiers. Let them play midtiers, until they learn to play properly.

[buttonF1]

once they lern play bad they never change it ... i have see players with 18k battles doing stupid things 

[Captaindanz]

 

Game is just flooded with 40%-45% WR players, unplayable. games become less and less enjoyable, it's like WG's master plan, ruin a good game.

[GamerJohnsen]

On 9/2/2020 at 10:00 PM, SexyBikiniGirl said:

To me that single screenshot proves that MM weighs the avg number of battles (per ship/account) above the combination of XP and WR (per ship/account).

 

Only developers know if this was intentional.

 

 

 

But yet again that do not make sens, take a look at this battle right now, it is insane, i do know that they are a division, but still som of the other SHOULD have been moved!

[goofy_balls_of_fire]

23 hours ago, Greek_Patriot said:

Beta tester with 1.2k battles? Hahahaha. I see WG is using guys with "vast experience" on the game. I can see now why the game is going from bad to worse. Whats next WG? Infant testers? Maybe chimp-testers.

I stopped playing for almost 4 years and did just recently get back into the game, but thanks for the compliments.

All the status "beta tester" means, that i took part in the closed beta and the open beta of the game, i am not a super tester or whatever

[TunaRoll]

Since mid august, this game and its MM changed to the worse. Tbh, the current state is horrible. A lot of people are experiencing extraordinarily long series of defeats and generally unbalanced, one-sided matches. Steamrolls all over the place. Either you win by mile (which is booring) or you get crushed without any chance to fight back. Mostly the matches are decided before the game even starts. I dont know WHAT happened - i dont know if the MM is manipulated or just an example of lazy development but the current MM is completely broken and fucked up. I guess its time so take a long break and see how this game will do later on...assuming WoWs survives. This current MM killed all my fun and motivation i once had for this game.

[Squarebasher54]

6 loses in a row in random, Match making monitor does not lie all the opposition teams had better stats, player stats have to start being a part of MM to make it fair.

[DFens_666]

13 minutes ago, Squarebasher54 said:

6 loses in a row in random, Match making monitor does not lie all the opposition teams had better stats, player stats have to start being a part of MM to make it fair.

 

Sure, if you look at MMM and play like crap, its no wonder that you automatically lose. Best to tell the team aswell thats a loss incomming, so you can all be happy that MMM was right once more!

https://wows-numbers.com/de/user/snapshot/ships.ajax?accountId=518202139&date=2020-09-10&type=pvp

 

[ForlornSailor]

21 minutes ago, Squarebasher54 said:

6 loses in a row in random, Match making monitor does not lie all the opposition teams had better stats, player stats have to start being a part of MM to make it fair.

 

Do you think, you did enough yourself, so that you should have won those games? And why do you feel, you should be rewarded by the matchmaker for doing noting like with Daring? And wouldnt the conclusion from looking at matchmaker and seeing "good players with high avg damage win games" be : maybe I try to improve, get better, so that I can be on the winning side more often? Or has the whiny attitute of "I want everything now and for free" finaly completly took over in 2020?

 

Late captain Phil Harris has a message for you: Earn it!

 

 

[159Hunter]

45 minutes ago, Squarebasher54 said:

6 loses in a row in random, Match making monitor does not lie all the opposition teams had better stats, player stats have to start being a part of MM to make it fair.

Come back to us to complain about MM when you get 6 wins in a row.

[Herbstnebel1975]

MM this week sucks big time for me. As of last weekend I am putted on a defeat list. No matter if I play good for bad for my team. Seems like MM likes to concentrate the better player in one team and the bad and average players like me with maybe good  player in the other team. Why one good player, well to much victory will bore players. BUT !!! To much defeats will bore players 2 and it' s not because they are bad or average free account players that you may use them as cannonfodder for your paying elite that sometimes broadcast your game on streamplatforms like twitch. Good commercial, maybe I have to broadcast my defeats also on twitch to warn potential new players. And when I talk about defeats I mean that kind of defeats where the endscore is 2-12 or something like that and where you are the best player of the team (top score).  When an average player like me is the best of team, it tells enough about the rest of it. And if it just happens once or now and then, that's fine by me. But every battle a whole week long...it sucks.

 

Enough talking, I shut down my pc and start one of my other, less frustrating games on my PS4 . Bye and maybe tomorrow we have a MM.

[DFens_666]

47 minutes ago, Herbstnebel1975 said:

Seems like MM likes to concentrate the better player in one team and the bad and average players like me with maybe good  player in the other team.

 

 

 

That Massa who is first place on the enemy team... i think something went wrong there.

 

[thisismalacoda]

Can we NOT have [edited]10 vs 10, 2 vs 3 DD matches at 3 pm. 

[ForlornSailor]

1 minute ago, thisismalacoda said:

Can we NOT have [edited]10 vs 10, 2 vs 3 DD matches at 3 pm. 

what tier was it? sure 10vs10? fail divis involved? got a screen of the setup?

[159Hunter]

2 vs 3 DD is still allowed, according to MM rules, it's not the preferred setup. But it happens.

[surfer_gr]

6 losses on the row really? my record is 34 losses on the row the last 3 weeks was horried ahahahaha today no comment my recent 29 battles? hmmmmmm fun ahahhaha and i have this stupid questionair every so often asking me what i thought of the battle i just plaied what a lot of bs LOLs an example 

lets see how bad that was really bad it seems LOL looking at the details

soory bad cant do crap whatever i do nothing works if you play many battles its a nightmare lols cause ofc the chances are you will play with a representative mix of the games player base which to be honest is a nighmare and when i dare to say anything iam called names then i get reported and chat banned ahahahah sweet !!!!!!

 

 

so wth is going on this game play one battle a day to fix the stats or try to enjoy the game or whatever even though with my ammount of battles is impossible to fix anything they only going from bad to worse ahahaha so i dont give a toss about stats the rate of enjoyable battles is below 1 from 10 hard to find the rest is bs something is wrong with the game or the player base or whatever i dont know but gets on my nerves more than 4 or 5 people in every battle today dont even have a clan funny thing is you thinking of mercenaries? ahahahaha sure is hard enough to find 7 people in a 50 member clan to play clan battles cause people are pissed off you think random people will make clan battles better? really ? ahahahahhaha

 

[Imsali]

Well, I have a new wave of losses, but this time I'm using MM monitor, and on average I am being put into teams that have 2% worse average WR. Fun police in action.

 

By the way, the notion that MM is completely random is utter nonsense. In my example, often it happens that it is a 49 vs 47% WR team, or 54 vs 52% WR, but it is rare to see greater difference. But it is enough to decide the matches.

[gabberworld]

there is one thing what should keep in mind, if 2 teams have full off unicorn players it's still fact that only one team can win, what also leads to again for same issue, one team have players who not play good

[Captaindanz]

GG WG