Matchmaker Discussion Thread & MM Balance

[ColonelPete]

Nobody except god knows what god MM looks like...

[SexyBikiniGirl]

1 hour ago, GamerJohnsen said:

... explain ... matchmaking ... logic ...

To me that single screenshot proves that MM weighs the avg number of battles (per ship/account) above the combination of XP and WR (per ship/account).

 

Only developers know if this was intentional.

 

[GarrusBrutus]

2 hours ago, GamerJohnsen said:

Please WG explain why this is a god matchmaking in your logic ?! - it looks more like your logic is TOTALLY and UTTERLY brokken, this started after update 0.9.5 where it litterly started to go SO WRONG!

 

Hey I see you had my friend @siulis13 on your team! 

[ColonelPete]

7 hours ago, SexyBikiniGirl said:

To me that single screenshot proves that MM weighs the avg number of battles (per ship/account) above the combination of XP and WR (per ship/account).

 

Only developers know if this was intentional.

 

And what about all the screenshots where battle numbers on the teams are mixed?

[Fatal_Ramses]

I tried to play a Random game, but got put on the bot team of Coop.

[ColonelPete]

Why do you get outperformed by CoOp Bots?

[Sandokhan]

Playing solo most chances are to be for 75% in the losing team. The matchmaking here is even worse than in WoT.

 

Beside that...i probably wasnt the best player first 200 battles in a british cruiser. Someone said the british cruiser line is one the most difficult to play. I experienced that...the t5 and t6 (Leander) are totaly worthless.

 

Now i have a Fiji and it's nicer imo compared to the t5 and 6. Still not a big dmg dealer but with 4x for all consumables it can survive longer.

 

Beside the worthless matchmaking, that is rigged, the players do contribute a lot to that 75% lost battles:

Yesterday for example i got killed and was looking a little longer on the battlefields seeing 3 cruisers and 1 battleship of my team couldn't kill 1 destroyer that was near them and total isolated from his own fleet.

In between 1 battleship of this (my) same team went out alone fighting at least 3 enemy ships. Ofc he got killed.

 

This kind of stuff happends so often...being put among lunatics...and if you're solo you can't do a crap to improve your stats because the matchmaking system prevents you.

[Sandokhan]

3 minutes ago, Sandokhan said:

Playing solo most chances are to be for 75% in the losing team. The matchmaking here is even worse than in WoT.

 

Beside that...i probably wasnt the best player first 200 battles in a british cruiser. Someone said the british cruiser line is one the most difficult to play. I experienced that...the t5 and t6 (Leander) are totaly worthless.

 

Now i have a Fiji and it's nicer imo compared to the t5 and 6. Still not a big dmg dealer but with 4x for all consumables it can survive longer.

 

Beside the worthless matchmaking, that is rigged, the players do contribute a lot to that 75% lost battles:

Yesterday for example i got killed and was looking a little longer on the battlefields seeing 3 cruisers and 1 battleship of my team couldn't kill 1 destroyer that was near them and total isolated from his own fleet.

In between 1 battleship of this (my) same team went out alone fighting at least 3 enemy ships. Ofc he got killed.

 

This kind of stuff happends so often...being put among lunatics...and if you're solo you can't do a crap to improve your stats because the matchmaking system prevents you.

Throwing bananas

[ColonelPete]

7 minutes ago, Sandokhan said:

Playing solo most chances are to be for 75% in the losing team. The matchmaking here is even worse than in WoT.

Doubtful. You would be worse than people intentionally throwing all matches...

[Sandokhan]

1 minute ago, ColonelPete said:

Doubtful. You would be worse than people intentionally throwing all matches...

It's 50 up to 75% ...so not all the time but for example playing 3 evenings at row experience more losses than wins. But the idiocracy doesn't change.

[ColonelPete]

2 minutes ago, Sandokhan said:

It's 50 up to 75% ...so not all the time but for example playing 3 evenings at row experience more losses than wins. But the idiocracy doesn't change.

That is RNG or just playing bad. Nobody can win all the time.

[DFens_666]

18 minutes ago, Sandokhan said:

It's 50 up to 75% ...so not all the time but for example playing 3 evenings at row experience more losses than wins. But the idiocracy doesn't change.

 

Why are you complaining about people, when you lack experience yourself?

F.e. your Fiji stats

You have 23k average damage - But your own Ship has 31k health + heals ontop of that. And you kill one ship every 2nd game (roughly).

Please explain to me, why you should win more often?

 

Just as comparision my own Fiji stats

 

So i have more than 3x your damage and almost 4x as much kills.

You have 54% WR i have 69% WR... your own performance just doesnt cut it. You are better off improving your own gameplay, than to focus on what your teammates do (or not do..). Since you cant effect your teammates, except for playing in divisions.

[Sandokhan]

What a joke ...im playing most of the time alone ...and like someone said before in this topic "that's more difficult than playing in a division".

 

People with better stats than mine (lets say for example mister DFens) doesn't say it at all....i am playing for a teamwin... a lot of people don't ...they arent those lunatics but utterly a-holes: dd's that don't scout...sit behind cruisers and half away the battle they become active in an attemp to gain high xp for themselfs. And on the end the team loses the battle because such selffocused individuals...

 

I think i do a much better job staying alive...trying to scout and hit enemy ships in between... also trying to help teammembers even with smoke. When my xp is somewhere in the middle but we won than the team did a great job....not a-holes that trying to get themselfs most xp and stats. If i sit in the top experience-wise than; that's a nice accessory.

 

If still people reply on this saying oh im playing all the time alone and my stats are much better than yours...they miss the point (beside the childish arrogance). The matchmaking is designed to pull people down. It's the same matchmaking system used for WoT. Ive played WoT at several accounts and playing solo there is also horrible for your stats. Same goes with if you play that game together with someone else who's not realy great.

 

Playing in bad teams will make peoples performance and stats even worse. Even if they aren't that bad. Only thing that will help is playing with people with better stats. The matchmakingsystem will put you among people with higher stats. And when you compare your results with those better players and find yourself often in the top of the ranking than you know enough.

 

Playing solo several evenings and lost 3/4 battles. Maybe it will get a bit more equal again if you play for hours and hours but most people don't have that time.

 

So i summarize again; the matchmaking is rigged and sux....

whatever you say...

 

The game however is not bad...if you can bare the lunatics and selffocused players.

 

[ColonelPete]

5 minutes ago, Sandokhan said:

The matchmaking is designed to pull people down.

Nope.

People getting pulled down are playing badly.

[ForlornSailor]

2 hours ago, Sandokhan said:

Playing solo most chances are to be for 75% in the losing team. The matchmaking here is even worse than in WoT.

Beside the worthless matchmaking, that is rigged, the players do contribute a lot to that 75% lost battles:

There are 12 players on one side. 12 players on the other side. Explain to us, how its possible to rig the game, that everyone loses 75 % of the time? Shall I answer this or do you really want to take a try...

 

2 hours ago, Sandokhan said:

.the t5 and t6 (Leander) are totaly worthless.

 

Leander is one of the strongest Cruisers in the game.

 

24 minutes ago, Sandokhan said:

What a joke ...im playing most of the time alone ...and like someone said before in this topic "that's more difficult than playing in a division".

 

So what are you saying? You think you are much better then what you stats show? Better then some of us writing here, just because for some reason, you think it gives you a moral highground, that you play solo?

2 hours ago, Sandokhan said:

Beside the worthless matchmaking, that is rigged, the players do contribute a lot to that 75% lost battles:

This kind of stuff happends so often...being put among lunatics

So there are only lunatics and bad players on your team and never on the other team? Whats the vendetta of WG against you then?

[DFens_666]

23 minutes ago, Sandokhan said:

Only thing that will help is playing with people with better stats. The matchmakingsystem will put you among people with higher stats.

 

So how people get good stats? And if people have good stats, how come they get preferred in the MM?

Somehow i doubt the system works like you say it does, or why do i get to enjoy this type of teammate?

 

 

30 minutes ago, Sandokhan said:

Even if they aren't that bad.

 

And how do you conclude that? Looking at their stats: no, they arent that bad? That really makes no sense... ive seen 40% players div up with 3 guys, and they drop down to <20% in the "correct" combination, and RIGHTFULLY SO. There is a certain amount you need to do on average per game, to get a certain WR. Some people show their "great" games while losing, but they ignore, that 9 out of 10 games they do poorly, while they might have won with a better performance. Ofc they dont understand that, since they focus on their good games, only because they lost.

[deathsadow]

Divisions mess up the MM it is simple as that .. solo players will allways have worse MM than a 3 man division of goodish players .. simple as that.

 

You got 2 options:

 

1) Play with ppl who are as good as you or better & you will easy have 60%+ WR 

 

2) Get used to be trashed by players playing in divisions & if you are good get maybe 50-55% WR 

 

There is option 3 too .. but for that you need to sacrifice your life and play the hell out of this game and ascend to the group of no-lifer elitist unicums 

[Exhileratus]

How about to make blacklisted people not appear in your team, that would be something amazing.

[ForlornSailor]

38 minutes ago, Exhileratus said:

How about to make blacklisted people not appear in your team, that would be something amazing.

 

Within 2 weeks the game couldnt start any matches anymore, because everyone has everybody blacklisted :D (id blacklist everyone below 47%, even if it takes me 7 months to click through - worth it!)

 

1 hour ago, deathsadow said:

There is option 3 too .. but for that you need to sacrifice your life and play the hell out of this game and ascend to the group of no-lifer elitist unicums 

 

You have any proof, that super unicums have no life and spend all their time in he game? tbh, its just a bitter, envious opinion of the ones, that dont make it into the small group of top players while wishing so hard for that. Its something you hear in each and every games community.

 

1 hour ago, deathsadow said:

Divisions mess up the MM it is simple as that .. solo players will allways have worse MM than a 3 man division of goodish players .. simple as that.

 

You got 2 options:

 

1) Play with ppl who are as good as you or better & you will easy have 60%+ WR 

 

2) Get used to be trashed by players playing in divisions & if you are good get maybe 50-55% WR 

 

Ill give you some inside: I refuse to play this game solo, because some years ago, the last day ive played alone, the lack of understanding of team-/ gamemechanics and straight out refusal of players to execute any form of teamplay made me swear, ill never do this to myself again. If the majority of players just would be able to community and teamplay - there would be no need to division. And divisions would not have such a big impact on the outcome of an individual game. As with many things: blame the bad players in this game, not the good ones. Its all their fault, seriously.

[GarrusBrutus]

12 hours ago, Sandokhan said:

People with better stats than mine (lets say for example mister DFens) doesn't say it at all....i am playing for a teamwin... a lot of people don't ...they arent those lunatics but utterly a-holes: dd's that don't scout...sit behind cruisers and half away the battle they become active in an attemp to gain high xp for themselfs. And on the end the team loses the battle because such selffocused individuals...

Hello good sir, 

Hate to break it to you but when you see people with better stats that means they played games with better results. So they must have done something right. 

Especially if they have thousands of games played. Since it isn't a coincidence that they have those stats. They've learned the game and earned those stats as a result. 

You on the other hand claim you play for the win. And I am sure you do. Except due to your inexperience you don't know yet how to play for the win. Most of your actions are most likely only detrimental to your teams chances of winning. 

 

Your survivability rate is very low. Meaning you die a lot. 

Your average damage and kills are very low. Meaning a teammate has to kill atleast TWO enemies to compensate for you. 

 

Now the first step towards "better matchmaking" is getting better yourself. And the first step to getting better yourself is to acknowledge you're inexperienced and not very good at the game. Then you will find there are a lot of players willing to help you on this forum. 

 

But the first step is to change your mindset from "its not because of me, it's because of XYZ" to "how can I improve?". 

 

Your choice. Play the blame game and always stay a potato or improve your game and enjoy the process of learning and improving. 

[Captaindanz]

15 hours ago, Sandokhan said:

What a joke ...im playing most of the time alone ...and like someone said before in this topic "that's more difficult than playing in a division".

 

People with better stats than mine (lets say for example mister DFens) doesn't say it at all....i am playing for a teamwin... a lot of people don't ...they arent those lunatics but utterly a-holes: dd's that don't scout...sit behind cruisers and half away the battle they become active in an attemp to gain high xp for themselfs. And on the end the team loses the battle because such selffocused individuals...

 

I think i do a much better job staying alive...trying to scout and hit enemy ships in between... also trying to help teammembers even with smoke. When my xp is somewhere in the middle but we won than the team did a great job....not a-holes that trying to get themselfs most xp and stats. If i sit in the top experience-wise than; that's a nice accessory.

 

If still people reply on this saying oh im playing all the time alone and my stats are much better than yours...they miss the point (beside the childish arrogance). The matchmaking is designed to pull people down. It's the same matchmaking system used for WoT. Ive played WoT at several accounts and playing solo there is also horrible for your stats. Same goes with if you play that game together with someone else who's not realy great.

 

Playing in bad teams will make peoples performance and stats even worse. Even if they aren't that bad. Only thing that will help is playing with people with better stats. The matchmakingsystem will put you among people with higher stats. And when you compare your results with those better players and find yourself often in the top of the ranking than you know enough.

 

Playing solo several evenings and lost 3/4 battles. Maybe it will get a bit more equal again if you play for hours and hours but most people don't have that time.

 

So i summarize again; the matchmaking is rigged and sux....

whatever you say...

 

The game however is not bad...if you can bare the lunatics and selffocused players.

 

[deathsadow]

Hm ... is it just my feelings or the T8-10 MM is consisting exclusively from 10-12min steamrolls?

 

The last 61 games i played there were only 8 where eighter of the teams made a comeback, and in 7 of that 8 games there were a player single handedly turning the game around with 5-6kill, the rest of the games were all won clearly by one team within the 1st 5 min of the game.

 

Is it poor game design from WG for high tiers, or what is causing the nonstop rolfstomps ?

[hardkur911]

just get better .... i can troll on forums , let me knew where i can apply , u get payed for that right ?

[SexyBikiniGirl]

3 minutes ago, hardkur911 said:

Perfect tip. I applied that to "the Pete" immediately.

[Captaindanz]

50 minutes ago, deathsadow said:

Hm ... is it just my feelings or the T8-10 MM is consisting exclusively from 10-12min steamrolls?

 

The last 61 games i played there were only 8 where eighter of the teams made a comeback, and in 7 of that 8 games there were a player single handedly turning the game around with 5-6kill, the rest of the games were all won clearly by one team within the 1st 5 min of the game.

 

Is it poor game design from WG for high tiers, or what is causing the nonstop rolfstomps ?

There is no balance system, and even if there was, nothing guarantees the games will be closer, only because you might get those super aggressive team mates that will die in 3 minutes while the enemy team will have ultra passive team mates that will stay alive, giving people the option of skipping tiers and not learning how to play really did the trick.