[ST0RM] hardkur911 Players 96 posts 15,411 battles Report post #3501 Posted August 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, domen3 said: It means that atlantas can't meet stalingrads under normal circumstances. If you met stalin it's your fault you did. u was to specific and they smell a mistake so all u say is invalid ....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] SV_Kompresor Beta Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 5,868 posts Report post #3502 Posted August 26, 2020 Just now, hardkur911 said: u was to specific and they smell a mistake so all u say is invalid ....... Uh....what? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST0RM] hardkur911 Players 96 posts 15,411 battles Report post #3503 Posted August 26, 2020 Just now, domen3 said: Uh....what? atlanta tier 7 , stalingrad tier 10 , u cant put them in same game , u made mistake in your first comment . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] SV_Kompresor Beta Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 5,868 posts Report post #3504 Posted August 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, hardkur911 said: atlanta tier 7 , stalingrad tier 10 , u cant put them in same game , u made mistake in your first comment . No, I was replying to the guy that was complaining about meeting tier 10 in a tier 7. I told him that he can't meet tier 10. (Normally) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST0RM] hardkur911 Players 96 posts 15,411 battles Report post #3505 Posted August 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, domen3 said: No, I was replying to the guy that was complaining about meeting tier 10 in a tier 7. I told him that he can't meet tier 10. (Normally) aaa ok my bad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TSR] AkulaTSR Players 159 posts Report post #3506 Posted August 26, 2020 31 minutes ago, domen3 said: It means that atlantas can't meet stalingrads under normal circumstances. If you met stalin it's your fault you did. Sorry , meant the Alaska , Tier 7 v Tier 9 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TSR] AkulaTSR Players 159 posts Report post #3507 Posted August 26, 2020 37 minutes ago, domen3 said: It means that atlantas can't meet stalingrads under normal circumstances. If you met stalin it's your fault you did. Could you not have just said that instead of posting a daft gif ? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greek_Patriot Players 202 posts 5,807 battles Report post #3508 Posted August 26, 2020 29 minutes ago, domen3 said: No, I was replying to the guy that was complaining about meeting tier 10 in a tier 7. I told him that he can't meet tier 10. (Normally) What is "normal"? Lets see: Normal is up to +2 tiers right? Also WG allows divisions +1 and that is "normal" according to them right? So if you are in a div with t7 and t8 ships then you can play even against t10 right? And since the rule for the div isnt violated then that is consider to be "normal" even if the +2t rule goes down the drain! Gotta love WG 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] 159Hunter Players 4,528 posts Report post #3509 Posted August 27, 2020 5 hours ago, AkulaTSR said: Because its better to have more fair teams in regards to tiers. Its no fun trying to fight a Stalingrad in an Atlanta. They try to get you in a battle asap , i would be happy waiting an extra 30 seconds or however long it took , to get an even battle So according to you @hardkur911 wants only teams of the same tier? Nothing in his posts up to when I posted, pointed to this. All he said was some vague stuff about getting "better" teams. Without defining what and how. So maybe you can confirm this hardkur? But as you seem to think an all out same tier battle is better: it only makes good players stronger ( no more 'handicaps' when playing bottom tier ships ) and bad players worse. So it reinforces skill gap . Plus, it makes for more boring games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,177 battles Report post #3510 Posted August 27, 2020 5 hours ago, Greek_Patriot said: What is "normal"? Lets see: Normal is up to +2 tiers right? Also WG allows divisions +1 and that is "normal" according to them right? So if you are in a div with t7 and t8 ships then you can play even against t10 right? But that is your choice. When you decide to do that, then you should not complain. If you do not like the results, you can just decide to play only equal tiered divisions in the future and the problem is solved. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RAIN] GarrusBrutus Players 3,711 posts 12,527 battles Report post #3511 Posted August 27, 2020 That'd be glorious. Always div up with a uneven tiered division and get blessed matchmaking. Yes please! Pump my winrate up to 80%! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] Excavatus [THESO] Moderator 4,705 posts 17,878 battles Report post #3512 Posted August 27, 2020 8 hours ago, hardkur911 said: exelent question , if there was easy solution we would not have 140 pages discussion about these . there are good players and not so good , problem is when game put all super unicums on one side and new players on another , these should be easy fixed just spread them equally among both teams . ignoring the problem is not a sollution . so you are talking about SBMM after all? On 8/26/2020 at 6:20 AM, hardkur911 said: where i say skill based ????? why you people always get out of way to twist our words ??? Can I start talking about why and how SBMM will not and cannot work in this game? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greek_Patriot Players 202 posts 5,807 battles Report post #3513 Posted August 27, 2020 7 hours ago, ColonelPete said: But that is your choice. When you decide to do that, then you should not complain. If you do not like the results, you can just decide to play only equal tiered divisions in the future and the problem is solved. SO? Whats your point? Doesnt WG allow fail divs? Who's fault is that? Only those who form the div are stupid? Those who allow it to be formed arent? Oh i know. God forbid if someone says something "bad" about WG. Accolytes to the rescue!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] Excavatus [THESO] Moderator 4,705 posts 17,878 battles Report post #3514 Posted August 27, 2020 12 minutes ago, Greek_Patriot said: SO? Whats your point? Doesnt WG allow fail divs? Who's fault is that? Only those who form the div are stupid? Those who allow it to be formed arent? Oh i know. God forbid if someone says something "bad" about WG. Accolytes to the rescue!! eerm nobodies fault is that actually.. and nobody is stupid. The game "allows" you to form a division with 1 tier difference.. and you are free to do that by accepting you MAY go see a +3 tier matchmaking... Allowing that is not a fault, doing that division and going against +3 tier ships is not a fault. Thats all crystal clear. The fault is, doing that, then complaining about how unfair the MM is? by dropping you infront of +3 tier ships... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RAIN] GarrusBrutus Players 3,711 posts 12,527 battles Report post #3515 Posted August 27, 2020 16 minutes ago, Greek_Patriot said: SO? Whats your point? Doesnt WG allow fail divs? Who's fault is that? Only those who form the div are stupid? Those who allow it to be formed arent? Oh i know. God forbid if someone says something "bad" about WG. Accolytes to the rescue!! So each time you division with unequal tiers and one of you gets +3 mm you cry about how wargaming allows this? Maybe wargaming deems their playerbase somewhat capable of understanding that by doing so they risk getting +3MM. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greek_Patriot Players 202 posts 5,807 battles Report post #3516 Posted August 27, 2020 1 minute ago, GarrusBrutus said: So each time you division with unequal tiers and one of you gets +3 mm you cry about how wargaming allows this? Maybe wargaming deems their playerbase somewhat capable of understanding that by doing so they risk getting +3MM. 1 minute ago, Excavatus said: eerm nobodies fault is that actually.. and nobody is stupid. The game "allows" you to form a division with 1 tier difference.. and you are free to do that by accepting you MAY go see a +3 tier matchmaking... Allowing that is not a fault, doing that division and going against +3 tier ships is not a fault. Thats all crystal clear. The fault is, doing that, then complaining about how unfair the MM is? by dropping you infront of +3 tier ships... Who the f complained about the MM when in a fail div? The point was that fail divs arent the fault of just the players but WG aswell. I guess it would be really hard not to be able to make fail divs and ruin the game of all the other in that team huh? Simple as that. Besides. MM is already crap as it is. No need to make a fail div to make it crappier! Accolytes to the rescue!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,177 battles Report post #3517 Posted August 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, Greek_Patriot said: Doesnt WG allow fail divs? Who's fault is that? Only those who form the div are stupid? Those who allow it to be formed arent? Yes It is their decision No, unless they complain about the results of their action and continue doing that It is an option. When you buy a knife, you have the option to cut your thumb off. That is not the fault of the knife maker when you do it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,029 battles Report post #3518 Posted August 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, Greek_Patriot said: Who the f complained about the MM when in a fail div? Many who do that actually? Seen that several times... There have been threads, making demands that faildivs should get BETTER MM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greek_Patriot Players 202 posts 5,807 battles Report post #3519 Posted August 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, ColonelPete said: Yes It is their decision No, unless they complain about the results of their action and continue doing that It is an option. When you buy a knife, you have the option to cut your thumb off. That is not the fault of the knife maker when you do it So everything is fine and no need for a change right? They must be proud for their accolytes. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,177 battles Report post #3520 Posted August 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, Greek_Patriot said: So everything is fine and no need for a change right? They must be proud for their accolytes. We are talking about divisions, not everything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greek_Patriot Players 202 posts 5,807 battles Report post #3521 Posted August 27, 2020 Just now, DFens_666 said: Many who do that actually? Seen that several times... There have been threads, making demands that faildivs should get BETTER MM Thats not the point of the argument.. That is stupid and i agree with you. But the point is that fail divs are real and ruin the game of others. And since stupidity will always exist -unfortunately- then is up to WG to change that? Or is that something unreasonable to ask? At least since the MM on normal divs will never change and remain a total crap, why dont they get rid of the fail divs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greek_Patriot Players 202 posts 5,807 battles Report post #3522 Posted August 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, ColonelPete said: We are talking about divisions, not everything. Right. Cause everything else with the MM is great. True. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,029 battles Report post #3523 Posted August 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, Greek_Patriot said: But the point is that fail divs are real and ruin the game of others. And since stupidity will always exist -unfortunately- then is up to WG to change that? Or is that something unreasonable to ask? Hey, i dont disagree with you there, ive asked for that myself. But the problem is, WG just doesnt care. They will just make up something, and even if they wouldnt, its their call. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greek_Patriot Players 202 posts 5,807 battles Report post #3524 Posted August 27, 2020 1 minute ago, DFens_666 said: Hey, i dont disagree with you there, ive asked for that myself. But the problem is, WG just doesnt care. They will just make up something, and even if they wouldnt, its their call. True. They dont give a damn about it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] Excavatus [THESO] Moderator 4,705 posts 17,878 battles Report post #3525 Posted August 27, 2020 28 minutes ago, Greek_Patriot said: Who the f complained about the MM when in a fail div? The point was that fail divs arent the fault of just the players but WG aswell. I guess it would be really hard not to be able to make fail divs and ruin the game of all the other in that team huh? Simple as that. Besides. MM is already crap as it is. No need to make a fail div to make it crappier! Accolytes to the rescue!! I wasn't directing to you personally, sorry If you got that impression. But %99 of the fail division topics are blaming MM for putting them in +3 tier match. allowing fail divisions or not is another discussion. WOT cancelled that completely.. WOWs can do that.. My point is, and I guess some of the others', when it is very clear that you MAY go against +3 tier match, there is no point doing that and complaining after.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
