Matchmaker Discussion Thread & MM Balance

[hardkur911]

5 hours ago, Chase_Red said:

I prefer to play ranked if i play wows, they are a bit like a refuge for me, it just feels a lot less frustrating to me

yes specially when u get to higher ranks early in the season and most of players there is quite good .

a lot of people pick they favorite ship in ranked and expect everybody to play around them , and then plot twist other 6 people did the exact same thing .

what u need to do is pick one of strong ships on that tier , if u don't knew how to pick im sure there is video somewhere with recommendations . give all of them a try pick the best one and keep going with it . remove variables its only u and that ship till u finish . u can learn a lot there its much simpler less ships only one tier . but u must see what u did good or wrong try do better every time , don't blame people for your mistakes 80% of time its your fault

[Chase_Red]

11 hours ago, hardkur911 said:

yes specially when u get to higher ranks early in the season and most of players there is quite good .

a lot of people pick they favorite ship in ranked and expect everybody to play around them , and then plot twist other 6 people did the exact same thing .

what u need to do is pick one of strong ships on that tier , if u don't knew how to pick im sure there is video somewhere with recommendations . give all of them a try pick the best one and keep going with it . remove variables its only u and that ship till u finish . u can learn a lot there its much simpler less ships only one tier . but u must see what u did good or wrong try do better every time , don't blame people for your mistakes 80% of time its your fault

yes definitely also for me it is also because fighting is much faster with only 7 vs 7 and your main game stats do not count in ranked, big reason why they are less frustrating.

The problem is that when you spend 10 or 20 min in each match, and the vast majority of those matches are really bad matches, then I feel like I'm wasting my time, knowing full well that you can not make a skill based MM etc, but sometimes I wish it could be made in some way, typically you lose the match due to mistakes from players who make mistakes, because they have come too fast up to top tire ships, but rarely due to the opponent the team is better

 

By the way, I do not necessarily use the strongest ship, but ships I grinding, and can do missions with, i'm not going for ranked 1, don't play enough for that, but it's just chilled for me, no stats and all sorts of crap

[Sea_w0lf]

18 hours ago, surfer_gr said:

my losing steak record is 34 battles in the row

I thought that mine is the record with 17 loses in a row  :p

[hardkur911]

most important to succeed at ranked  , don't play at peak hours , play nights when only few crazy people play they tend to be better on average . sure they will be drunk sometimes cuz its night but always better than weekend evening potato.

[Squarebasher54]

In the fiji, 4 tier 9 games in a row, all loses, MM working, I don't think so.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

On 8/14/2020 at 2:48 PM, NikolayKuznetsov said:

Therefor on average the other 11 people on your team will always be 50% WR players, because you're getting a 55% WR teammate for every 45% WR teammate you get.

Uhm.. no?

The average could also be assured if one team consists fully of 40% taters, while the other team is a bunch of 60% unicorns... see.. 24 players, 12x40 and 12x60 makes 12x100 and average of 50%

 

The average WoWs player has a winrate of about 45% btw., as players with a 50% winrate already fall under the category "good WoWs player"

[Excavatus]

6 hours ago, Deckeru_Maiku said:

The average WoWs player has a winrate of about 45% btw.,

Yeah. I was thinking like that..

Then I saw that %23 WR player tirpitz player (ship WR, his overall was %35) 
after 291 battles in tirpitz..

 

I mean.. you must actively try to sabotage your team to get that WR... 

It is impossible to have even If you go AFK every battle.. 

[Squarebasher54]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE WG improve your MM

 

[Chase_Red]

3 hours ago, Excavatus said:

Yeah. I was thinking like that..

Then I saw that %23 WR player tirpitz player (ship WR, his overall was %35) 
after 291 battles in tirpitz..

 

I mean.. you must actively try to sabotage your team to get that WR... 

It is impossible to have even If you go AFK every battle.. 

quite often see that kind of player, and it can of course be due to many things that they do not do better, such as physical or mental disability or something completely different

[Excavatus]

1 hour ago, Chase_Red said:

quite often see that kind of player, and it can of course be due to many things that they do not do better, such as physical or mental disability or something completely different

I respect any reason they can provide for that, 

But they have to respect then my suggestion for them to stay in co-op exclusively! 

[ForlornSailor]

11 hours ago, Deckeru_Maiku said:

The average WoWs player has a winrate of about 45% btw., as players with a 50% winrate already fall under the category "good WoWs player"

 

Maybe thats actually where a lot of misconceptions come from? People expect to have 50% players a around them, yet the reality is, that 50% isnt the average winrate across the board (its 47,% afaik tho, not 45% but I dont have the source avaialble right now. Its below 50% for sure). So when they have matchmaking monitor open and see a lot of red / below 50%, they blame matchmaking. Yet its just working with whats available and the average is actually below 50%.

 

This is inline with the constant whining about beeing low tier. People expect f.e. to be 50% of the time top tier and 50% of the time low tier. The reality however is, that way more players play T10 ships then they play T9 ships. And again, T9 is played more often then T8, then T8 more often then T7 ... and so on. This means, its mathemaically impossible to be even on high/low tier when you f.e. play a T7 ship. There simply isnt enough material around to put you in T5/T6 games, yet a lot of games with T8/T9 ships needs to be filled with T7 ships. Does that suck for the player in the T7 ship? yes ofc. but you cant change it?

 

There are a few artifical way, yes. Like you you could put 9 T8 ships in a game and add 2 T7s and 1 T6, so you keep the "balance" of 50% of the time beeing up/low tiered, since you can work around the lower numbers of lower tier ships avaialble in theory. But now the question must be asked: What is better? Do you really want to be one of the 2 or 3 low tier ships in 50% of the games, when you are low tier, instead of having more low tier ships around when low tier? And also, this would mean, that when you are top tier in your T7 f.e., 80% of the ships would be T7 aswell with an additional 2 to 4 ships T5+T6. This is also simple math, given by what people play.

[hardkur911]

check these out https://wows-numbers.com/ranking/
 

these people have 85% winrate .... and they dont play game anymore to not loose it .

and its all from before CV rework ......

[DFens_666]

3 minutes ago, hardkur911 said:

check these out https://wows-numbers.com/ranking/
 

these people have 85% winrate .... and they dont play game anymore to not loose it .

and its all from before CV rework ......

 

And "these" (like 1 person actually?) people have to play reworked CVs, even if they dont like them, because...?

[hardkur911]

2 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

And "these" (like 1 person actually?) people have to play reworked CVs, even if they dont like them, because...?

keep thinking about it u will get it one day

[DFens_666]

2 minutes ago, hardkur911 said:

keep thinking about it u will get it one day

 

So even if they wouldnt have reworked the CVs, he would have also stopped playing, or not?

 

btw, what does that have to do with MM at all?

[ForlornSailor]

12 minutes ago, hardkur911 said:

these people have 85% winrate .... and they dont play game anymore to not loose it .

 

Yea sure. Im the best player in the entire game, but I stop myself from playing, since im afraid I might lose the spot of highest winrate. (for whatever reason you would think so) but your logic gets even better:

One stops playing to keep looking at the stat page to wank about the spot of the highest winrate.

Man, you really got some weird thinking going on. Im guessing, you have never been anywhere close to beeing a top player in any game. They have a way different thinking then what you think...

[ColonelPete]

31 minutes ago, hardkur911 said:

check these out https://wows-numbers.com/ranking/
 

these people have 85% winrate .... and they dont play game anymore to not loose it .

and its all from before CV rework ......

• some of them still play...
• these are division ratings, some of these accounts were made to be played in try-hard divsions
• when the divisions break up or the project is ended, they stop playing that account

[floribe2000]

I removed some posts because the discussion was going to get personal, insulting and unconstructive. Let's better stop at this point before we have to give warning points for this.

A discussion is fine and so is criticising oder people. But insulting is not.

[Prospect_b]

On 8/16/2020 at 6:57 PM, Squarebasher54 said:

In the fiji, 4 tier 9 games in a row, all loses, MM working, I don't think so.

That is perfectly normal since WG made their last matchmaking adjustments a while ago.

 

Their BS PR was: we are making it so that every tier now will be 60% top tier, and 40% bottom tier, so now everyone will have a better experience.

 

What it really meant is a buttload of tier ten only games (effectively making it a +0/-0 tier matchmaking, which wg said they would never ever do), and more importantly, broken matchmaking for the equally broken tier 9 premiums, which of course will drag a lot of poor tier sevens with them. Tier 9 premiums who often would make a decent(ish) tier ten by the way (JB, Alaska, benham, etc), or are just a tier ten (musashi, which was supposed to be balanced with poor AA, which wasn't a thing anymore since CV rework)

 

And that was imho the only real reason for the matchmaking changes, since those premiums cost absurd amounts of money. It's also succeeding very well, see the amount of tier nine premiums, the recommendations streamers make to buy them, the word-of-mouth advertising that goes around once ppl start to notice they can just club all day, etc. A genuine gold mine.

 

Too bad for you (or me atm) who is grinding tier sevens. Have fun fighting musashi's, jean barts, alaska's etc in your fiji or colorado. Oh, and in a t9-7 matchmaking, the only carrier possible will be tier 8, so he will prioritize you too.

You feeling the matchmaking improvement yet?

[Excavatus]

It has been discussed here many times, 

about the randomness of the MM... and the results we get. 

Please check the section between 4:55 and 5:40 of the following video. 

 

If you are interested in more, there is a video only about randomness from the same channel.. 

but please do spare a min of your life and watch the above mentioned section. 

It involves a group of costumers reaction to the real randomness. 

 

 

[Chase_Red]

it seems a bit if you read the discussion about MM here on the forum that there are only one or two options to improve MM. What does WOWS think about the current MM, would like to hear what they think about it all

[GrazyC2]

They should make the matchmaking a bit different, I met people that realy play this game as an starter but don't want to grind in tiers so they buy there way into the ranks. Now that's not the issue but understanding the game is. And sailing a high tier and have no freaking idea what you are doing is a problem fot those that did get true all the trouble of reaching that tier. Can't WG filter it bought ships fight against bought ships and tier ships against tier ships ?

[Deckeru_Maiku]

On 8/17/2020 at 9:06 PM, hardkur911 said:

check these out https://wows-numbers.com/ranking/
 

these people have 85% winrate .... and they dont play game anymore to not loose it .

and its all from before CV rework ......

Way more interesting are those people with 35k+ battles and winrates of 42 to 48% - makes me feel like I'm a good player

[Excavatus]

12 hours ago, Chase_Red said:

it seems a bit if you read the discussion about MM here on the forum that there are only one or two options to improve MM. What does WOWS think about the current MM, would like to hear what they think about it all

They've said it multiple times that "other than some little tweaks here and there" they are happy about the MM and they are gonna keep it as much random as it is. Not planning to make any changes on it. 

7 hours ago, GrazyC2 said:

They should make the matchmaking a bit different, I met people that realy play this game as an starter but don't want to grind in tiers so they buy there way into the ranks. Now that's not the issue but understanding the game is. And sailing a high tier and have no freaking idea what you are doing is a problem fot those that did get true all the trouble of reaching that tier. Can't WG filter it bought ships fight against bought ships and tier ships against tier ships ?

so you are suggesting premium / special ships play only with premium / special ships and silver line ships play alone with other silver line ships? 

WUT? 

[kraco]

funny how i cant win with conq, every time when i play it on other side is a much better. Is it so hard to create rule of MM with PR numbers. Both teams should have balanced PR numbers for a better match 

 

 

edit: language please