Matchmaker Discussion Thread & MM Balance

[ColonelPete]

28 minutes ago, hardkur911 said:

... and im trying to figure out whats up .

Yes, you do not know how random results look.

[hardkur911]

pls tell me what i dont knew random internet person , i feel much less of an ignorant .

[ColonelPete]

14 minutes ago, hardkur911 said:

pls tell me what i dont knew random internet person , i feel much less of an ignorant .

 

41 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Yes, you do not know how random results look.

 

[McBoatyFloaty]

how hard is it to implements +-1 MM, for the 1st ~2min of being in que and then expanding to +-2?

[CptBarney]

1 hour ago, MastigosWilkins said:

how hard is it to implements +-1 MM, for the 1st ~2min of being in que and then expanding to +-2?

Well if it impacts moneh collection rates then weegee will just bin the idea before considering it.

Plus that might also increase wait times, but since i havent seen an idea suggested in the manner you have done it in, i can't be too sure.

 

oh well.

[COPlUM]

22 hours ago, hardkur911 said:

40% winrate people with 20k games played is a damn mystery for me

No mystery, they developed bad habits / losing strategy and stuck with it, while not a desirable human trait, it is a common human trait. That GK hugging the J line spamming HE from 23km because he wants to avoid being on fire, he's been doing that for years, you'll lose if he's on your team but it's too late to tell him he's doing it wrong. He did it twenty thousand times for about fifteen minutes, clearly he was at no point interested in advice, don't waste your time giving advice.

[COPlUM]

A lot of people misunderstand winrate entirely. The average is 50% WR, the average must be 50% WR because for every winner there is a loser. Therefor on average the other 11 people on your team will always be 50% WR players, because you're getting a 55% WR teammate for every 45% WR teammate you get.

 

60% WR means you alone are so good that despite the other 11 people on your team being 50% WR players, you manage to turn an extra 1/10 games into wins, games that would have been losses had you not been there.

 

40% WR means you alone are so crap that despite the other 11 people on your team being 50% WR players, you manage to turn an extra 1/10 games into losses, games that would have been wins had you not been there.

 

A 60% WR player is not 20% better at the game than a 40% WR player, he's several hundred times better at the game because he's getting 20% better results despite only being 8% of any team he's in.

[BanzaiPiluso]

2 hours ago, NikolayKuznetsov said:

A 60% WR player is not 20% better at the game than a 40% WR player, he's several hundred times better at the game because he's getting 20% better results despite only being 8% of any team he's in.

[zekai7498]

I always end up in top 3 on scoreboard in my games,and im getting 7-8 strait losses.Im trying to play better and better,still having losing streaks.Like all other people here.

Please consider a WR based matchmaking.I have %54 WR and struggling to obtain higher, becouse of %40 ones in my team.

This conditions makes being a good player is pointless.Doesnt make sense anyway.This will slowly kill the game,players will leave for another alternative in first opportunity.

Players are getting frustrated,they are not having fun.Do something about it beside answering this.

 

 

 

 

[hardkur911]

1 hour ago, zekai7498 said:

I always end up in top 3 on scoreboard in my games,and im getting 7-8 strait losses.Im trying to play better and better,still having losing streaks.Like all other people here.

Please consider a WR based matchmaking.I have %54 WR and struggling to obtain higher, becouse of %40 ones in my team.

This conditions makes being a good player is pointless.Doesnt make sense anyway.This will slowly kill the game,players will leave for another alternative in first opportunity.

Players are getting frustrated,they are not having fun.Do something about it beside answering this.

 

 

 

 

100% agree and feel Your pain , i dont mind loosing if game is good , one sided team whipes are boring and annoing . Matchmaking is broken on so many levels , game dont care about skill balance , ship specialties , there is no reason not logic into how teams are put together . sometimes one team have all smokes and another all radars . other game one team  everybody less than 1k games other team super unicums . these should be easy to fix , these people are in one game just distributed between teams wrong . u got 6 smokes and 4 radars , put them equally on both sides its f**ng logical . they not gona implement WR based matchmaking cuz not enough people play these game and we would wait for 10 minutes . another idea is some private games lobby's , if u have good reputation u get invited and play only with decent players , but then it leaves rest of potatoes to not have fun and they pay bills so we back in point where we started . mby we should try kickstart alternative game like pirate warships stuff or whatever just to motivate wargaming to do something .

 

12 hours ago, NikolayKuznetsov said:

No mystery, they developed bad habits / losing strategy and stuck with it, while not a desirable human trait, it is a common human trait. That GK hugging the J line spamming HE from 23km because he wants to avoid being on fire, he's been doing that for years, you'll lose if he's on your team but it's too late to tell him he's doing it wrong. He did it twenty thousand times for about fifteen minutes, clearly he was at no point interested in advice, don't waste your time giving advice.

 

look at these printscreen , and then tell me how much bad habbits u need to have to not make even 10k dmg per game after almost 20k games played . and if these people must play these game with us for some reason at least let me add them to some SUPER BLACK LIST , if one of them is in game i gonna join pls dont start  i wait , let me play another one .

[COPlUM]

2 hours ago, hardkur911 said:

Almost twenty thousand battles played and his player rating was 1 last month. I'm actually speechless here.
0.01 K/D means you die 100 times for every ship you kill, at what point consider playing another game

[hardkur911]

1 minute ago, NikolayKuznetsov said:

Almost twenty thousand battles played and his player rating was 1 last month. I'm actually speechless here.
0.01 K/D means you die 100 times for every ship you kill, at what point consider playing another game

yes these is truly impressive im following him from curiosity , u can say animal research ;-)

[gabberworld]

8 minutes ago, NikolayKuznetsov said:

Almost twenty thousand battles played and his player rating was 1 last month. I'm actually speechless here.
0.01 K/D means you die 100 times for every ship you kill, at what point consider playing another game

 

like one guy tell everyone have right to play this game no mater how bad or good he/she  is  at game

[COPlUM]

8 minutes ago, gabberworld said:

like one guy tell everyone have right to play this game no mater how bad or good he/she  is  at game

Where did I say that? I'm not even that good at the game, not yet anyway. I just said i'd probably consider another game if I played twenty thousand battles and die one hundred times for every opponent I kill.

If this person enjoys being the potato king twenty thousand battles in a row, who am I to disagree.

[DFens_666]

9 hours ago, zekai7498 said:

Please consider a WR based matchmaking.I have %54 WR and struggling to obtain higher, becouse of %40 ones in my team.

 

With >50% WR in combination with WR based MM, you would actually ensuse to get worse players on your team all the time

WR/Skill based MM will have the opposite effect you are hoping for: It will make skill less of an issue, by drawing everyone to ~50%.

[Mr_Putyu]

The ranked game current season included does some kind of math to push/keep down people at a certain level and/or prefer players over another.  All ranked games has a magic level at which point you cannot pass through even if the path toward that particular rank was relatively easy.

The current session looks like I was rushing to rank 7 with approx 64% winrate when all of a sudden I started loosing games badly. I get the dd's who does not know what to do , I get the BB's who rushers in just because of her secondaries and they wonder how and why they are focused down easily.Whenever I reached rank7 3 star I got players like that and this is the 5th or 6th time I lost at the doorstep of rank 6.  You can tell me it is skill then I would say yeah I had skill to rush until rank 7 and then I forgot how to play or you can say that it is simply unluck and MM but I have bad luck 6th times ?

 

I do not think so. If the MM would be balanced then I would expecrt games like

- easy win because others also get low skilled players,

- balanced ones when tactics or real skill decides the game and a tough one even if lost/won,

- easy loose because of RNG

in a random order. What makes rank7 3 star so magical?

Other ranked season also have magical levels like rank5. Lots of people suffer there but why? That level is not even irrevocable so what happens ?

 

Honestly playing ranked is frustrating and it seems like the game is changing "difficulty" at certain levels by carefully choosing your mates/enemy.

 

 

[Chase_Red]

On 8/13/2020 at 5:20 PM, ColonelPete said:

 

 

hey ColonelPete can see that you are still living your life here on wows forum, you write more posts than you play battles, come out and see the world. I feel a little sorry for you actually just so you know

[ColonelPete]

2 minutes ago, Chase_Red said:

hey ColonelPete can see that you are still living your life here on wows forum, come out and see the world. I feel a little sorry for you actually just so you know

You are mistaken, as usual....

[Chase_Red]

1 minute ago, ColonelPete said:

You are mistaken, as usual....

hi again my friend how are you hope you are well

[Chase_Red]

I do not know if they have, but do you think wows, ever report back on this thread so people know where they stand regarding to MM??

[Chase_Red]

could just be fun to hear

[hardkur911]

17 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

You are mistaken, as usual....

u dont knew what a mistake is

[Ulfberht_Viking]

Iam stuck on rank 15, if there were no irrevocable handbrake I would probably be at rank 18 or lower,

I have played 20+ ranked battles, maybe won 3 or 4, and never 2 wins in a row, Iam not the worst or the best

in the battles, usually in the middle, but loosing 8 to 10 battles in a row seems kind of strange, 

win some lose some, not loose all of them, there is something seriously wrong with matchmaking,

or its simply rigged for players with fat wallets to keep them happy....I dont know.

( Installing Pokemon on my phone now )

[surfer_gr]

i will tell you one thing my experience says MM is rigged LOL  after a day with 68% WR like yesterday in 22 battles  for me the next is followed by already 4 out 4 losses the MM puts me with the worse player combination and ships its disturbing ahahahah will only tell you that my losing steak record is 34 battles in the row !!!! afk would prolly give me better win chances lols

[Chase_Red]

I prefer to play ranked if i play wows, they are a bit like a refuge for me, it just feels a lot less frustrating to me