[THESO] Excavatus [THESO] Moderator 4,705 posts 17,888 battles Report post #3301 Posted July 22, 2020 Some posts has been removed. Please stop with personal discussions, and as a side note, being rude and insulting will never end well.. have a good day gents. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sunleader Weekend Tester, In AlfaTesters 5,710 posts 13,400 battles Report post #3302 Posted July 22, 2020 @Excavatus That Guy might be Refering to this Problem here. Something that Happens sometimes. I am not sure how this Happens. My Guess would be that the MM has 3 Divisions. And likely doesnt care if its 2 People or 3 People Divisions. So it ends up just Distributing 3 Divisions which means Team A gets 2 and Team B gets only 1. But as it only Counts Divisions and doesnt care if its 2 People or 3 People. It can then happen that the 2 Divisions with 3 People get Set on Side A. While Side B just gets the 2 People Division. Just a Hunch on my Part of course. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,199 battles Report post #3303 Posted July 22, 2020 On 6/3/2020 at 1:16 PM, PolRuud said: I play with my dad (60 yrs), often in a division. We have been playing for about 2 months and purchased premium. My dad even bought me credits so I could buy the Bismarck. Playing from tier VII has been a mixed experience, as more often than not we faced tier IX. Now at tier VIII, we solely face tier X and it's truly a horrible gaming expierence. Yes it is. Why? Check here: https://wows-numbers.com/player/569245613,PolRuud/?type=div2 You do fine up to T6, 7. On 6/3/2020 at 1:16 PM, PolRuud said: I have read similar complains on the forums and channels like YouTube and have read the same suggestions over and over of how WoWs has a steep learning curve and I get that and all. Yet, for overall gaming experience though, I believe getting uptiered over and over is really hurting the gaming experience. Having to play super safe, hugging every island to prevent getting HE spammed or cowering at every CV because you can get detonated as a DD is no fun at all - and it serves no purpose really. What you need to do is play T5,6,7 - until you are good enough. And "good enough"means ypou maintain a steady winrate pof over 50% even in weekends. It also means that you have played most ships up to T6, 7... On 6/3/2020 at 1:16 PM, PolRuud said: I feel like balance wise there are some really good suggestions out there and it kind of feels hopeless to see no impactful changes are being made. What I read online is that this is a trend and experienced players are leaving. Me and my dad won't make any further purchases and probably move on to a different game when our premium time ends. I play with my son as well. It took me a while before I was kinda "sure" in T8, 9 10. I do not consider myself good enough to play that all the time and in any ship (even though I have them grinded). I know I'd fail and be a liability to the team. So I joined a clan and am learning, I also get pointers here how to do it. Check your stats, you will see where you are good and where not. https://wows-numbers.com/player/569245613,PolRuud/? Then think about where you need to improve. There's plenty ships you play good. There's also some that you do not, it is clear enough. You will see for yourself and draw the conclusion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,199 battles Report post #3304 Posted July 22, 2020 6 hours ago, Sunleader said: Just a Hunch on my Part of course. I'm quite sure you are right, I have seen it many times. One side gets 3 divisions, the other as well. But the first is 3x3, and the other is 3x2 (we were one of the 2-divs, CV and DD). But yes it makes the problem worse. However that 3x3 is not the problem, when we checked two of those 3 divs had ~90%WR... when we added the 3 WR... people in divs usually div up with similar people... ROFLSTOMP much, well yes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] Darkeid [THESO] Players 137 posts 20,393 battles Report post #3305 Posted July 22, 2020 Another VERY imbalanced game , its getting worse these past days...edited Please censor pictures like these. - SkipperCH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,029 battles Report post #3306 Posted July 22, 2020 43 minutes ago, Darkeid said: Another VERY imbalanced game , its getting worse these past days... Well, that Bots division kinda is the reason for that imbalance. So you want to split them up? You cant just move them over. - Shikishima has to be replaced by Montana. Surprise, they are in a div too. So both Montys over, Shiki and Conq in your team. - Nesvky moves over aswell ofc, along with you or the Hindi. - Your Buffalo moves over, because he is in the div with the montys, so either Buffalo or Donskoi will move over to compensate. - Z52 moves over aswell, and Gearing replaces him. TBH, i dont see a big change? You move 3x >60% players over, and a in return, put 48/46/43% in the enemy team. Looks still unbalanced according to you. Cant be solved. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PNTHR] Sea_w0lf Players 126 posts Report post #3307 Posted July 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Darkeid said: Another VERY imbalanced game , its getting worse these past days... Those players in my team have thousands of battles, more than enemy in this battle + good WR. So even with 4k battles difference we lost. They didn't even try to cap or return while we defend our cap..their route was north at the edge of the map also no communication. Doesn't matter the numbers..Team with good communication will win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-XXX-] Spruss Players 136 posts 13,612 battles Report post #3308 Posted July 22, 2020 Guess a maximum 1 tier difference in MM would be a too though work heh? I'm bit fed up to play vs 2 tiers higher ships, same when playing with 2 tiers lower (doesn't seem too fair to pick on a Monarch with a GK or going with a Benson vs a Gearing, both in same way). Too much difference in ships, even if the enemy is slightly worse you still have poor chances. Yes, when uptiered like that you can earn more xp and credits, yet is still a frustrating experience. Any chances to introduce a ONE tier difference in matches? Even if that requires a slightly longer queue? What do you guys think? 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,029 battles Report post #3309 Posted July 23, 2020 8 hours ago, Sea_w0lf said: Those players in my team have thousands of battles, more than enemy in this battle + good WR. So even with 4k battles difference we lost. They didn't even try to cap or return while we defend our cap..their route was north at the edge of the map also no communication. Maybe if you would have stayed there, you could have helped against the superior enemy force? Seriously, going to the 9-10 line with a Warspite is one of the worst things you can do (and the Colorado with it). You just cant go to the 9-10 line with a division + slow ships and expect to get away with it. Even more so, since all the enemies are basicly on the other flank, while you fight only 2 ships, and only one of those is dead. You cant blame anyone on your team, when you (division) are part of the problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] Darkeid [THESO] Players 137 posts 20,393 battles Report post #3310 Posted July 23, 2020 On 7/23/2020 at 2:21 AM, Sea_w0lf said: Those players in my team have thousands of battles, more than enemy in this battle + good WR. So even with 4k battles difference we lost. They didn't even try to cap or return while we defend our cap..their route was north at the edge of the map also no communication. Doesn't matter the numbers..Team with good communication will win. Most recent match just now... No matter the numbers you say, ok, see it this way: players with 600 battles and 15k avg dmg can never overcome a player with 3000 battles and 100k dmg . THESE numbers matter. Matching 5 below average players in one team and 2 on the other is an imbalance that causes one sided games regardless the effort. The imbalance was so bad the game was broken , co-ordinated teams vs 4 weaker players that were running away without firing. This is getting disgusting. Add: This game is happening now , 2 matches in a row Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] Darkeid [THESO] Players 137 posts 20,393 battles Report post #3311 Posted July 23, 2020 On 7/23/2020 at 2:21 AM, Sea_w0lf said: Those players in my team have thousands of battles, more than enemy in this battle + good WR. So even with 4k battles difference we lost. They didn't even try to cap or return while we defend our cap..their route was north at the edge of the map also no communication. Doesn't matter the numbers..Team with good communication will win. Another example to discuss. I just finished this match: 1 team has 6 players of less than 1000 battles and only 3 players above 50% , whereas the opponents have 3 players of less than 1000 battles and 6 players above 50% . (IMPORTANT: It is not OK when the situation is reversed and the imbalance turns to advantage) . Take a look at the average damages of the players. You cant possibly be sane and believe that by communicating text in the chat box the battle can be won. What happened in the game is that the CV spotted our dd who did not stop moving forward even after being radared. -1 dd in 3 min. Another suggestion fiercely stated in the last 20-30 pages or so is that the experienced? player (who is not worth if less than 60%) should only pay attention to his effort and only look to improve his game. I am asking all of you, is this match not auto-decided by the MM rng ? How do you expect 1 player to overcome this % deficit in the team ranks and this huge imbalance in game experience. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] Darkeid [THESO] Players 137 posts 20,393 battles Report post #3312 Posted July 24, 2020 Exactly the same crap is happening in Ranked matches, you (WG) are placing players that will sit behind rocks or in smoke and do nothing go against players that know how to deploy and can actually aim I cant stress this enough, you (WG) need to change this, the matches are seriously imbalanced 30-50% of the time played , you need to start addressing the issue or ppl that actually care about the game / time spent will not give you any more € / $ . You are very lucky that the issue has not yet been brought up in the US community. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PNTHR] Sea_w0lf Players 126 posts Report post #3313 Posted July 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, Darkeid said: Exactly the same crap is happening in Ranked matches, you (WG) are placing players that will sit behind rocks or in smoke and do nothing go against players that know how to deploy and can actually aim OMG this is a big difference.. 100 battles and not even 100 sometimes with tier 8 ships.. Great! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #3314 Posted July 24, 2020 10 minutes ago, Darkeid said: Exactly the same crap is happening in Ranked matches, you (WG) are placing players that will sit behind rocks or in smoke and do nothing go against players that know how to deploy and can actually aim I cant stress this enough, you (WG) need to change this, the matches are seriously imbalanced 30-50% of the time played , you need to start addressing the issue or ppl that actually care about the game / time spent will not give you any more € / $ . You are very lucky that the issue has not yet been brought up in the US community. Ranked is +0 MM the account WR of both teams has a difference of less than 1%, how close should the teams be matched? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] ForlornSailor Players 7,374 posts 11,735 battles Report post #3315 Posted July 24, 2020 19 minutes ago, Darkeid said: I cant stress this enough, you (WG) need to change this, the matches are seriously imbalanced 30-50% of the time played , you need to start addressing the issue or ppl that actually care about the game / time spent will not give you any more € / $ . You are very lucky that the issue has not yet been brought up in the US community. Its getting tired. No, they dont. Better players deserve to win more. They shall not be punished by having worse players on their team, just to "balance" the winrate overall. Player better & win more. Easy. Dont waste time with crying about matchmakingmontor. Deinstall it and learn to play better. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,029 battles Report post #3316 Posted July 24, 2020 25 minutes ago, Darkeid said: I cant stress this enough, you (WG) need to change this, the matches are seriously imbalanced 30-50% of the time played , you need to start addressing the issue or ppl that actually care about the game / time spent will not give you any more € / $ . You are very lucky that the issue has not yet been brought up in the US community. If you would have 60% WR on your account, you would have buffed that avg WR to 50,8% - over 1% more than your team had currently 15 minutes ago, Sea_w0lf said: OMG this is a big difference.. 100 battles and not even 100 sometimes with tier 8 ships.. Great! So then rather advocate that those players are not allowed to play T8 ranked, or T8+ in general. They have no clue how to play, doesnt make it any better if you try to put them in both teams. The only thing it does, it validate their crap behaviour and playstyle, by artificially buffing their WR higher than it should be. And they dont even deserve the 40% they have right now 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HNFC] _Szalo_ Players 4 posts 16,880 battles Report post #3317 Posted July 24, 2020 hi, Please let me know how is that possible, that in the past weeks I had 60-70% winrate good result over 60K avarage damage... and always when ranked started the win rate is turning dramaticaly and I am always on the wrong side... like today 9 games 1 win... 90K avarage damage alwasy top3 but no chance to win... at all game we lost ships and enemy doesnt.. different is huge between the two teams... 4 crusier game 150K avarage damage , and all case lost.... no tight games.. just like a pidgeon hunting.... based on the number of rules somethimes I could be on the winner side as well, but dont, dont tell me it is a bad luck.. I spent fcng much money for this game, so it s really really frustrating!!!! see my games and stat today!!! so let me know why it is happen to me? IT looks like somethimes the algorytm decide in advance who win and loose... so please let me tryto clearify WTF is going on here Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #3318 Posted July 24, 2020 1 hour ago, _Szalo_ said: hi, Please let me know how is that possible, that in the past weeks I had 60-70% winrate good result over 60K avarage damage... and always when ranked started the win rate is turning dramaticaly and I am always on the wrong side... like today 9 games 1 win... 90K avarage damage alwasy top3 but no chance to win... at all game we lost ships and enemy doesnt.. different is huge between the two teams... 4 crusier game 150K avarage damage , and all case lost.... no tight games.. just like a pidgeon hunting.... based on the number of rules somethimes I could be on the winner side as well, but dont, dont tell me it is a bad luck.. I spent fcng much money for this game, so it s really really frustrating!!!! see my games and stat today!!! so let me know why it is happen to me? IT looks like somethimes the algorytm decide in advance who win and loose... so please let me tryto clearify WTF is going on here Thanks. Did you not hear? Spending money gets you in the A group with the good MM!! Btw. your WR the past three weeks was 54%... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HNFC] _Szalo_ Players 4 posts 16,880 battles Report post #3319 Posted July 24, 2020 funny... I knew my win rate and honestIy dont care.... i'd like to understand tha changes., and the reason. But as I see u do not know the answer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[A7] Captaindanz Players 402 posts 27,265 battles Report post #3320 Posted July 24, 2020 2 hours ago, _Szalo_ said: hi, Please let me know how is that possible, that in the past weeks I had 60-70% winrate good result over 60K avarage damage... and always when ranked started the win rate is turning dramaticaly and I am always on the wrong side... like today 9 games 1 win... 90K avarage damage alwasy top3 but no chance to win... at all game we lost ships and enemy doesnt.. different is huge between the two teams... 4 crusier game 150K avarage damage , and all case lost.... no tight games.. just like a pidgeon hunting.... based on the number of rules somethimes I could be on the winner side as well, but dont, dont tell me it is a bad luck.. I spent fcng much money for this game, so it s really really frustrating!!!! see my games and stat today!!! so let me know why it is happen to me? IT looks like somethimes the algorytm decide in advance who win and loose... so please let me tryto clearify WTF is going on here Thanks. It's called weekend 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #3321 Posted July 24, 2020 29 minutes ago, _Szalo_ said: funny... I knew my win rate and honestIy dont care.... i'd like to understand tha changes., and the reason. But as I see u do not know the answer I do know the answer: you are mistaken, quite obviously... https://proships.ru/stat/eu/p/511833876-_Szalo_ Your claim was true on TWO days... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HNFC] _Szalo_ Players 4 posts 16,880 battles Report post #3322 Posted July 25, 2020 Dude I know my stat adn I dont care eaither... I was mistaken on what? my questions was why turning the winrate so dramaticaly one day to other, ...But as i see I can be the only reason..that is what your can do only, blame the othere ?I f you cant help please stay in quiet.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[R-D] JeanLouisII Players 231 posts 11,031 battles Report post #3323 Posted July 25, 2020 Thats just normal variance my friend. You play 12 vs 12 so your impact isnt always the greatest. People often dont get it, that variance is quite strong in this game when played as a solo player with average stats. How big the variance is can often be seen, when u look at some of the top players on wows numbers, when they got high dmg, pr and kills in one ship but just closely surpass the 50percent winrate. Variance can be brutal in this game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #3324 Posted July 25, 2020 35 minutes ago, _Szalo_ said: Dude I know my stat adn I dont care eaither... I was mistaken on what? my questions was why turning the winrate so dramaticaly one day to other, ...But as i see I can be the only reason..that is what your can do only, blame the othere ?I f you cant help please stay in quiet.. Dude, tehn wyh lie? Teh cahnges were nto darmatci. Just nromal RNG. When you look at yuor solo gmaes the changse are evne smallre... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HNFC] _Szalo_ Players 4 posts 16,880 battles Report post #3325 Posted July 25, 2020 you dont know anything about me, so before u start to be ironic and criticize my typo, please respect that I am talking on your language.. lets continue on my own, and i will see your failues... So as I said, if u cant anwer , or your answer does not contain and added vale please be queit. thansk mister bw. from 60-10 the change is dramatic from my point of view, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
