Matchmaker Discussion Thread & MM Balance

[SwimTime]

On 2/24/2019 at 12:49 PM, Viravandrel said:

Well, if they know very well that issue of +2/-2 exist, why for example not switch it to +1 for a change? Oh but of course that would mean clearer levels of skill of particular players would be visible and MM would be better calibrated so more even teams would be matched etc. All problems solved in one go, how convenient...

 

Whatever, +2 in WoWs is still much better then constant low tier in WoT where you do literally nothing to +2 heavy and some meds, with possible option of spamming gold or dying 

 

In ships you at least have HE fires and deadly flooding (with recent changes not so deadly anymore...) and with appropriate skill you can take down any goliath and dont rely on your top tiers to win the game as in tanks

It has not much to do with tier + or - as the WR of the players on the teams. WG says the dont mach up with WR but that is just bull crap. Ofc they do that. So if ur pink or smt like that u get worse teams. And no way i can play 20 games all with win/lose... that is not random at all. So WG controls the game as some ppl call rng. Anyway the game i just crap now. So [edited]1 sided now. Huge win or huge lose. NO close games. And most games r decited in about 3 min. So u know if u win or lose. And if u r set to a huge loss u would normally leave the game why the try to provent that. I still leave tho. Why spend 5-10 hrs a month playing a game u know u lost and all will die in 10 min. Just as crap as WOT now. No wonder so many ppl leave the game. 

[snddim01]

2 hours ago, SwimTime said:

It has not much to do with tier + or - as the WR of the players on the teams. WG says the dont mach up with WR but that is just bull crap. Ofc they do that. So if ur pink or smt like that u get worse teams. And no way i can play 20 games all with win/lose... that is not random at all. So WG controls the game as some ppl call rng. Anyway the game i just crap now. So [edited]1 sided now. Huge win or huge lose. NO close games. And most games r decited in about 3 min. So u know if u win or lose. And if u r set to a huge loss u would normally leave the game why the try to provent that. I still leave tho. Why spend 5-10 hrs a month playing a game u know u lost and all will die in 10 min. Just as crap as WOT now. No wonder so many ppl leave the game. 

If you take the time to monitor your teams over a long enough period you'll find that matchmaking balances out. Such as the near 400 games you've played over the last 21 days. 

 

For me, win rate is an irrelevant stat. For an average player like myself or a below average one like you it's very difficult to have a major impact playing solo. It does happen, usually when I'm in  DD, and I can look back after a game and say I made the difference between victory and defeat. Usually through spotting, capping and outliving the enemy DDs. Or just killing them. 

 

You overall stats are interesting. You have a good win rate - certainly much better than mine. But your damage, personal rating and kills are all below average. Basically, you're a passenger and are being carried by your teams.

 

It looks like you've been very lucky with matchmaking. 

 

Or you were.  

 

Now your teams aren't carrying you and all your stats are nosediving. So you blame the matchmaker. Maybe the problem lies elsewhere? 

[DFens_666]

39 minutes ago, snddim01 said:

You overall stats are interesting. You have a good win rate - certainly much better than mine. But your damage, personal rating and kills are all below average. Basically, you're a passenger and are being carried by your teams.

 

Its a result of his most played ships:

Borderline OP for their tier, but if you get similiar results as with normal same tier BBs, you will have a lower PR. Can be enough to get a decent WR.

 

[TunaRoll]

Am 14.7.2020 um 22:39, Az_Akagi sagte:

To be honest yes this MM is so hard. When you have bad people with you everytime and they do nothing it's boring...But when you alway have a T8 vs T10 battle is more anoying then anything in the game. l play 7 games today in a T8 and l has 6 T10 battles for 1 T7/9 with 5 defeats and 2 wins...That make me stop playing for today because l wanna keep my nerfs safe.... That just not logic to have +2/-2 tiers battles and sometime with a miracle we have a full T8 battle (same for another tier).

 

This can be a good MM about with tier battle l think :

 

Tier played	Tier minimum :	Tier maximum :
1	1	1
2	2	3
3	3	4
4	4	5
5	5	6
6	6	7
7	7	8
8	8	9
9	9	10
10	10	10

 

If the MM can't be apply, the actualy MM can be use (like no enough player for exemple). But still play with +1 or -1 maximum.

I wish they would allow this kind of MM. It would be way more fair and fun to play in the long run. They could even use this as an option. If you want to play "only" against +/-1 tier, you should be able to activate. I hate the +/- 2 since T7 and T8 sees 40-45% of the time T9 and T10.  I dont mind playing a match vs ships 2 tiers higher than mine, but i strongly dislike to play THOSE matches the whole damn evening. It is exhausting, booring and killing my fun. You play in T7 and T8 way more often against higher tier ships (like +1 or +2) than you play against same tier or lower tier ships. It is even statistically proven, i posted an excel chart some days ago. The balance between being top tier and bottom tier seems off.

 

[ColonelPete]

Feel free to play hours of Clan Battle per week. There you have +0 MM and skill based MM.

This should be MUCH better for some people complaining on this thread.

[Sunleader]

I would already be Happy right now if they Fixed the Problem that 2 Player Divisions end up getting Matched against 2x3 Divisions. Because the MM Consider 2 and 3 People Divisions to be the same and thus if it has 3 Divisions just Randomly matches 1 Division to a Team instead of at least trying to get it as balanced as possible by at least using the 2 Player Division without Counter Division instead of putting the 2 Player Division up against 2 Divisions of 3 Players....

[Lootboxer]

What have you done to T7 MM???

3 games today in Fiji, all 3 in a row placed bottom tier canon fodder for T9 ships.

At least Fiji is a good (if not one shot).

 

[ForlornSailor]

25 minutes ago, DariusJacek said:

What have you done to T7 MM???

3 games today in Fiji, all 3 in a row placed bottom tier canon fodder for T9 ships.

 

Yup, thats how T7 is these days. And every class gets thrown completly under the bus. BBs can be overmatched, most Cruisers are screwed every since IFHE rework compered to the T8+ ones and DDs dont have concealment module.

 

Thats really one of the few valid reasons to discuss about the matchmaker / state of the game, but drowns in the whine in thie thread...

[Lootboxer]

7 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said:

 

Yup, thats how T7 is these days. And every class gets thrown completly under the bus. BBs can be overmatched, most Cruisers are screwed every since IFHE rework compered to the T8+ ones and DDs dont have concealment module.

 

Thats really one of the few valid reasons to discuss about the matchmaker / state of the game, but drowns in the whine in thie thread...

And it used to be probably the best tier for MM not so long ago. Untill the new improved MM 

[Sambor0]

Until WG will not do something with MM a lot of games look like this ones :)

 

[159Hunter]

1 hour ago, Sambor1966 said:

Until WG will not do something with MM a lot of games look like this ones :)

 

And pray, do tell, what should WG change in their MM to avoid this?

 

[Sambor0]

2 hours ago, 159Hunter said:

And pray, do tell, what should WG change in their MM to avoid this?

 

I pray but not for this. WG taking money to do something with it, or tell us "We will not be able to do something with MM" and subject will be close. 

[Szeg007]

Another game with 3 60%+ WR ppl on the enemy team, and only 2 who is not above 50%.  And guess what! In my team only 3 player was above 50%. It was a 7 minute stomp just like 90% of the matches nowadays. If WG is not doing anything about this, and stop this only tier based matchmaking, i will leave this game. Skill lvl is much more important than ship tiers so it should be put in the matchmaking system as a new factor.

[Besserwisser3000]

Am 19.7.2020 um 02:25, 159Hunter sagte:

And pray, do tell, what should WG change in their MM to avoid this?

 

Hmm, I guess they could finally implement a MM that is better than a monkey rolling dice?

 

You get a better MM than this even if you task elementary school kids with it.

[rnat]

1 hour ago, Besserwisser3000 said:

Hmm, I guess they could finally implement a MM that is better than a monkey rolling dice?

You get a better MM than this even if you task elementary school kids with it.

Folks, the current system is crooked and rigged and trust me in this I could do it sooo much better and so. fast. It would make your head spin so much better than Lincoln which was the 2nd greatest MM-creator ever.

 

Back to serious: If an elementary school kid can do it, I'm certain you can present a concept that no one here can immediately debunk as equivalent to or objectively worse than the current one.

[Sambor0]

Elementary school kids @rnat? What about nursery kids? playing this morning game ( lost ) 2 our DD's didn't do much but somebody on Bismark stayed back, didn't shoot often and stay behind island finished game last almost full HP. After game I wrote to guys why he played like this? When I got answer I went make coffee and watch TV.

''5 years old is playing, my son, I am just watching sometimes helping. Its just game be cool.'' 

[159Hunter]

4 hours ago, Besserwisser3000 said:

Hmm, I guess they could finally implement a MM that is better than a monkey rolling dice?

 

You get a better MM than this even if you task elementary school kids with it.

So ftom that screenshot. Tell me what is wrong with that MM

[gabberworld]

forget the MM balance, even high winrate players with high tier ships can play like crap

 

[Besserwisser3000]

Vor 4 Stunden, 159Hunter sagte:

So ftom that screenshot. Tell me what is wrong with that MM

No. If you can`t tell what`s wrong with MM from just playing, you have a general problem that goes well beyond this game.

 

What a great game that one was:

 

 

[ObiWankov]

 

Was a win and yes, still big no about SBMM. MM is fine!

[p0int]

51 minutes ago, Besserwisser3000 said:

No. If you can`t tell what`s wrong with MM from just playing, you have a general problem that goes well beyond this game.

 

What a great game that one was:

Sorry for not carrying you that game, vet came over for my cat earlier than expected so I had to go afk. :)

[159Hunter]

1 hour ago, Besserwisser3000 said:

No. If you can`t tell what`s wrong with MM from just playing, you have a general problem that goes well beyond this game.

 

What a great game that one was:

 

 

So than don't quote me when I ask someone to say what's wrong with MM based on one screenshot. If that's too hard for you to understand ...

 

But by all means, share how you would fix it. Complaining is easy, fixing is a lot harder.

[AirSupremacy]

23 minutes ago, ObiWankov said:

 

Was a win and yes, still big no about SBMM. MM is fine!

Hui,that's a long match!

The match I liked most ever was 4 minutes, 60K damage with J.B.

 

What is technically possible,how fast can a match end? What's the fastest some random match had been ended?

 

Would be great if the final match scoreboard presents the damage-per-minute-value in the game.

 

Recently I had a match where 4 team players instantly went TK and battled themselfs. I love random! 

[Excavatus]

12 hours ago, Besserwisser3000 said:

No. If you can`t tell what`s wrong with MM from just playing, you have a general problem that goes well beyond this game.

 

What a great game that one was:

 

 

Bad players is not the fault of the MM... why you really think it is? 

 

[Eikkuu]

Le 17/07/2020 à 04:26, TunaRoll a dit :

I wish they would allow this kind of MM. It would be way more fair and fun to play in the long run. They could even use this as an option. If you want to play "only" against +/-1 tier, you should be able to activate. I hate the +/- 2 since T7 and T8 sees 40-45% of the time T9 and T10.  I dont mind playing a match vs ships 2 tiers higher than mine, but i strongly dislike to play THOSE matches the whole damn evening. It is exhausting, booring and killing my fun. You play in T7 and T8 way more often against higher tier ships (like +1 or +2) than you play against same tier or lower tier ships. It is even statistically proven, i posted an excel chart some days ago. The balance between being top tier and bottom tier seems off.

 

Yes l hope they can apply this if it's possible.