Matchmaker Discussion Thread & MM Balance

[Taliesn]

20 hours ago, GarrusBrutus said:

So forbid three man divs?

Ofcourse @Captaindanz is aware that a three man division skews the matchup heavily in his favor. But that was never the point. The point was that in that particular instance there was another three man unicum div that COULD have been placed on the other team but it didnt.

 

 

No reason why. It is Random, sometimes you get them in your team, sometimes you get them in the red team. My point was that WG doesn't discriminate and distribute players (he knows this), let alone divisions (he also knows this), so it is incredibly cheeky if not downright disingenuous to come here and whine/brag (not sure which) about how unbalanced a particular match in Random is when your division is the main cause of it.

 

20 hours ago, ForlornSailor said:

 

You know what - thats an interesting conclusion right there. It really gives some perspective. Why did you pick on the division in the first place? Do they have access to some magic, that non other player has? The answer is : no. You could have, with the same logic, pick the 3 lowest scoring players on the enemy team and blamed them for the imbalance. Since you chose to focus on the skill part and blame that for imbalance (Quote: "Your 3 unicum division is at fault"). Why arent the bad players to be blamed, care to explain? Why is it the fault of decent players, that the majority in this game sucks? I read this all the time here in this very long topic. Its the same twisted logic as skill based machmaking, which boils down to "oh, the unicums will not like to lose their 65% WR, but we dont care, they can just deal with having 50% like everyone else" But at the same time, this argument is based around "bohoo the poor 39%ers, they need to be artifically lifted to 50% WR" Why should anyone care about their WR? When ppl straight up tell good ppl to stfu, when they say,they deserve a 65% WR. But when a 39% dude that wasnt to boost his WR artifically with rigged matchmaking to 50% - that doesnt even get questionsed in the first place - instead, when he is told to learn how to play, thats a bad thing. Why is the entire society evolving into snowflakery, where the good, strong, hard working folk are the bad guys, and the lazy and bad people need to be cuddled? Anyone explain all of this to me because I really would like to know.

 

And yea im gonna step it up from now. Those 39% players actually dont even deserve to win those 39 out of 100 games, they are beeing carried by the other 11 players. Some of those bad players actually deserve a Winrate of <5% if we look at how they actually perform. Now suck it up everyone.

 

Of course you do have some magic, discord most likely to begin with.

We regularly shoot down forumites with a 39% WR who come to this thread arguing for a balanced WR where players are distributed based on skill so that their WR looks nicer. A unicum player that divisions with 2 equally very good players thus taking advantage of how the game is set up (and that's fine) is just at the other end of the spectrum, but still disingenuous.

This is like Barca, Juventus or Bayern crying their national league is unbalanced and not fun after defeating another mid to bottom team in a season they've barely lost a handful of games. Yeah, cry me a river. Go play in the Champions for a more competitive enviroment, you know full well who's to blame for your league to be an almost pre-determined thing even before the start.

 

19 hours ago, Captaindanz said:

 

Got hackusated by a cc once, everything is possible.

 

Well, nothing to say here (from you to begin with) is there, so I'll just quote it for your whataboutery and the lack of anything constructive to say. Yours again, obviously.

Sooo, you really came here to brag in an underhanded way about how you and your mates won a match that YOU made almost sure was unbalanced in the first place, right?

[Captaindanz]

1 hour ago, Taliesn said:

 

No reason why. It is Random, sometimes you get them in your team, sometimes you get them in the red team. My point was that WG doesn't discriminate and distribute players (he knows this), let alone divisions (he also knows this), so it is incredibly cheeky if not downright disingenuous to come here and whine/brag (not sure which) about how unbalanced a particular match in Random is when your division is the main cause of it.

 

 

Of course you do have some magic, discord most likely to begin with.

We regularly shoot down forumites with a 39% WR who come to this thread arguing for a balanced WR where players are distributed based on skill so that their WR looks nicer. A unicum player that divisions with 2 equally very good players thus taking advantage of how the game is set up (and that's fine) is just at the other end of the spectrum, but still disingenuous.

This is like Barca, Juventus or Bayern crying their national league is unbalanced and not fun after defeating another mid to bottom team in a season they've barely lost a handful of games. Yeah, cry me a river. Go play in the Champions for a more competitive enviroment, you know full well who's to blame for your league to be an almost pre-determined thing even before the start.

 

 

Well, nothing to say here (from you to begin with) is there, so I'll just quote it for your whataboutery and the lack of anything constructive to say. Yours again, obviously.

Sooo, you really came here to brag in an underhanded way about how you and your mates won a match that YOU made almost sure was unbalanced in the first place, right?

If you saw my WR you should know i wouldn't brag about any wins in randoms, especially not a roflstomp, there is no reason to write anything constructive because nothing gets through to you.

[S7affy]

Yesterday, my first handful of match's all had me match with 2-3 tiers higher - One match was as a tier 4 carrier with tier 7's matched with me. I was trying to do 'naval battles' for ribbons and all I could do was waste my time as 1 on 1, my air craft were dissolved to AA before a single run could be achieved. ''This is no fun, what-so-ever''. This is happening far to often where match making pits me against 2 tiers higher (minimum)
As the only tier 4 (regardless of a mirrored match) playing against an enemy who is 2 or ''3''(?) tiers higher that cannot be touched by your aircraft (for both sides) is pointless.
That means the two tier 4 carriers (one on each side) will have nothing to do except spot for the entire match - as tier 6 is required for the use of the fighter aircraft.
Match making with a disparity of 4 tiers is what is wrong & not about how fair the match making is for both sides but rather the poor souls that find themselves in a pointless match. We all get that it is mirrored.
I'm sure the enemy tier 4 carrier also had as bad a time as I did.
A waste of paint, flags & Naval battle attempts.

[ForlornSailor]

1 hour ago, Taliesn said:

Of course you do have some magic, discord most likely to begin with.

 

In 99% of my 2x/3x division I dont use voice coms. So that solves tha magic mystery I guess.

Im using the normal ingame chat. Because I want to talk to the other 9 people aswell, letting them know, what I do. As I said: its open to everyone. Not my fault, that many have the chat disabled, which is a horrible "feature".

 

 

 

[DFens_666]

12 minutes ago, S7affy said:

Yesterday, my first handful of match's all had me match with 2-3 tiers higher - One match was as a tier 4 carrier with tier 7's matched with me. I was trying to do 'naval battles' for ribbons and all I could do was waste my time as 1 on 1, my air craft were dissolved to AA before a single run could be achieved. ''This is no fun, what-so-ever''. This is happening far to often where match making pits me against 2 tiers higher (minimum)
As the only tier 4 (regardless of a mirrored match) playing against an enemy who is 2 or ''3''(?) tiers higher that cannot be touched by your aircraft (for both sides) is pointless.
That means the two tier 4 carriers (one on each side) will have nothing to do except spot for the entire match - as tier 6 is required for the use of the fighter aircraft.
Match making with a disparity of 4 tiers is what is wrong & not about how fair the match making is for both sides but rather the poor souls that find themselves in a pointless match. We all get that it is mirrored.
I'm sure the enemy tier 4 carrier also had as bad a time as I did.
A waste of paint, flags & Naval battle attempts.

 

Dont go in a division with T5 ships, when you are a T4 ship. T4 has easier MM, as it can only see T3-5 ships. But if you are in a division with a T5 ship, you can see T7 ships. MM always takes the highest tier into account when in a division. So tell your buddies to pick a T4 ship instead.

[ForlornSailor]

23 minutes ago, S7affy said:

As the only tier 4 (regardless of a mirrored match) playing against an enemy who is 2 or ''3''(?) tiers higher that cannot be touched by your aircraft (for both sides) is pointless.
That means the two tier 4 carriers (one on each side) will have nothing to do except spot for the entire match - as tier 6 is required for the use of the fighter aircraft.

 

And both T4 CVs are to blame because they divisioned with T5 ships. Dont blame WG - blame yourself.

[S7affy]

How did I know, You'd pipe up with that. lmao.

[DFens_666]

1 minute ago, S7affy said:

How did I know, You'd pipe up with that. lmao.

 

So if you knew, why do you complain about it?

[S7affy]

I read the message before mine (you) and knew you'd blame me and not the system. Do you really think it it's all down to the player 'every time'? lol
A 4 tier difference is not so much a division problem but a mach making problem. a difference of 2 tiers is the way it should go & not 4 tiers.

[S7affy]

If this game wasn't region locked it wouldn't need to make such a ridiculous match making disparity just to find 'players in range'. 

 

[DFens_666]

2 minutes ago, S7affy said:

I read the message before mine (you) and knew you'd blame me and not the system. Do you really think it it's all down to the player 'every time'? lol
A 4 tier difference is not so much a division problem but a mach making problem. a difference of 2 tiers is the way it should go & not 4 tiers.

 

Because in that case, you (or basicly your division mates) are the problem. If you play alone with a T4 ship, you can NEVER see T6-7 ships. If you are in a division with only T4 ships, you will also never see T6-7 ships. However, you go in a division with T4-5 ships, you can see T6-7 ships. You can fix that yourself.

Tell me, how it is not a player problem?

 

As for T5+: Its the way it is, people have been complaining for years, and it wont change. So you either accept that, or not. Choice is yours. If you play T5, you can see T7 ships (btw difference is is 2 in that case, not 3).

[S7affy]

6 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

Its the way it is, people have been complaining for years, and it wont change. So you either accept that, or not

I do not accept, obviously. It's why I'm here complaining so 'those that matter' can see it and pass on the complaint to developers. So please stop blaming the player when there is a problem that 'many' complain about. 

[DFens_666]

1 minute ago, S7affy said:

I do not accept, obviously. It's why I'm here complaining so 'those that matter' can see it and pass on the complaint to developers. So please stop blaming the player when there is a problem that 'many' complain about. 

 

Well, then you might have to stop playing? As i told you, people have been complaining about that for years. But the developers dont want to change it... so nothing you can do about it. Chances are somewhere around 0, that someone actually reads that complaints.

Thats me being honest, not being a jerk btw. Im just telling you as it is.

[deathsadow]

13 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Because in that case, you (or basicly your division mates) are the problem. If you play alone with a T4 ship, you can NEVER see T6-7 ships. If you are in a division with only T4 ships, you will also never see T6-7 ships. However, you go in a division with T4-5 ships, you can see T6-7 ships. You can fix that yourself.

Tell me, how it is not a player problem?

 

As for T5+: Its the way it is, people have been complaining for years, and it wont change. So you either accept that, or not. Choice is yours. If you play T5, you can see T7 ships (btw difference is is 2 in that case, not 3).

 

:D and this disparity will get worse and worse each patch.... take a old T5 like the Newyork and meet a new T7 like the Sinop on paper its +2 tiers but it will feel so much painfull than facing an old T7 like the Nagato.

[S7affy]

So there is no support what-so-ever via the ticket system or the forum to elevate a complaint to those that have the power to make changes? Then maybe you are right & all new player should go else where for fair games?

[loppantorkel]

One easy way to fix +-3 MM would be to disallow fail-divs. It seems much of the issues revolves around players creating fail-divs but emotionally can't handle the given rules.

[S7affy]

If we don't unite against those that make the decisions, then nothing will change because people like you are there to defend there poor choice's. 

[S7affy]

If a division is created as tier 4-5 then it would make sense to find tier 4-5 player to play with. Am I wrong?

[DFens_666]

2 minutes ago, S7affy said:

If a division is created as tier 4-5 then it would make sense to find tier 4-5 player to play with. Am I wrong?

 

Under current rules: Yes. Because you would ensure better MM for the T5 ships by pairing them up with a T4 ship.

Example:

You play solo with a T5 ship and get into T7 MM.

You play in a division with T4-5 ships, and get T4-5 MM because of it.

 

Why would i play solo, when i can rig the system in my favour? Thats not fair, and thats why, it wont and should not work.

[ColonelPete]

38 minutes ago, S7affy said:

I read the message before mine (you) and knew you'd blame me and not the system. Do you really think it it's all down to the player 'every time'? lol
A 4 tier difference is not so much a division problem but a mach making problem. a difference of 2 tiers is the way it should go & not 4 tiers.

It was this time.

Do you not make avoidable mistakes.

33 minutes ago, S7affy said:

If this game wasn't region locked it wouldn't need to make such a ridiculous match making disparity just to find 'players in range'.

Great to play with players with a couple hundred ms of ping...

9 minutes ago, S7affy said:

If a division is created as tier 4-5 then it would make sense to find tier 4-5 player to play with. Am I wrong?

Yes. We have +2 MM from Tier V on. Tier V can see Tier VII. That is hardly news for you.

[S7affy]

It is not rigging the system to play with a fair 4-5 tier only match compared to playing with tier 7 as the only tier 4 & 5 ships in the match.

[ForlornSailor]

11 minutes ago, S7affy said:

If a division is created as tier 4-5 then it would make sense to find tier 4-5 player to play with. Am I wrong?

 

Yes, you ARE wrong.

[S7affy]

Increasing the MM to find +2 is a mechanic they use to increase the 'players in range' pool to allow an other wise smaller pool to find a match with less wait time. This isn't for fairness but to compensate for a region locked pool of players to find a match with less waiting time. There is a problem with the system but to many people are happy to ignore it. I'm going to assume it is because you are all to high a tier to care & it's likely that in that it is 'rigged' in your favor because of it. #elitism

[quickr]

Level of game play is all time high. Keep the good work WG

[ForlornSailor]

1 minute ago, S7affy said:

Increasing the MM to find +2 is a mechanic they use to increase the 'players in range' pool to allow an other wise smaller pool to find a match with less wait time. This isn't for fairness but to compensate for a region locked pool of players to find a match with less waiting time. There is a problem with the system but to many people are happy to ignore it. I'm going to assume it is because you are all to high a tier to care & it's likely that in that it is 'rigged' in your favor because of it. #elitism

 

doest something wrong - blames the system - gets shown, its his own fault - runs out of arguments - blames other people

*rinse and repeat*

Tell us more about all the people that are at fault when something went wrong in your life.