Matchmaker Discussion Thread & MM Balance

[IlljustcallhimDave]

Doesn't help when WG think its a good idea to let someone with 50 random games play premiums at any tier and put them against someone that has a little bit of an idea what they are doing. This rubbish is killing the game but as long as they keep selling loot boxes and premiums they don't care. Someone quits because of this rubbish they will have some new sucker come along with a credit card to buy stuff and lower the MM gene pool even further.

[ForlornSailor]

1 hour ago, IlljustcallhimDave said:

Doesn't help when WG think its a good idea to let someone with 50 random games play premiums at any tier and put them against someone that has a little bit of an idea what they are doing. This rubbish is killing the game but as long as they keep selling loot boxes and premiums they don't care. Someone quits because of this rubbish they will have some new sucker come along with a credit card to buy stuff and lower the MM gene pool even further.

 

Exactly this. Id like to add two things: First, I dont see why the matchmaker should be adjusted to work around those players (as suggested here often) and second: I think WG is not even unhappy with the flood of new players. Im pretty sure, those underperforming new players in their Jean Barts spend a lot more money on the game then for example you and me. So from a business point of view, they are "more important". Atleast that works in the short- and mid-run. How it will work out in the long run or where we could be by now with a different approach... who knows. All I know is, that I saw too many players quit along the way and not because they dont like the game itself, no, mostly because of low quality of the playerbase and WGs business approaches.

[Sambor0]

Because @ForlornSailor this kind of people don't care about an others just we, we, we. WG doesn't give crap about 99% players. Just money. 

[Furius_Marius]

For the record. 12 battles today. Tiers IX, VIII, VII, VI, V and IV. Not a single one I was top tier. Most of them uptired 2 levels. NOT A SINGLE ONE. Out of 12. 

[ForlornSailor]

9 minutes ago, Furius_Marius said:

For the record. 12 battles today. Tiers IX, VIII, VII, VI, V and IV. Not a single one I was top tier. Most of them uptired 2 levels. NOT A SINGLE ONE. Out of 12. 

 

Then here goes mine: 5 battles today. 2x lowest tier. 2x even (because only exactly one tier present) 1x top tier. You want to guess the games I lost/won? Ill resolve right away. Won 4 out of 5. Lost the game where I was high tier and why? the low tier CV in my team REFUSED to play because he was lost tier. awesome. Would have been an easy win else.

[Aethervoxx]

What 'balance'? There is no 'balance' (whatever 'that' means) in WG products. That is a foreign concept, imho, to them.

[ColonelPete]

1 hour ago, Aethervoxx said:

What 'balance'? There is no 'balance' (whatever 'that' means) in WG products. That is a foreign concept, imho, to them.

It does not matter to you that your Tier VI ship is mirrored vs another Tier VI ship and not vs Tier X?

Maybe WG can lose the MM restrictions for you...

[159Hunter]

6 hours ago, Furius_Marius said:

For the record. 12 battles today. Tiers IX, VIII, VII, VI, V and IV. Not a single one I was top tier. Most of them uptired 2 levels. NOT A SINGLE ONE. Out of 12. 

And this proves what exactly? 

Here it goes ..... nothing.

Not statistically significant

[Furius_Marius]

4 hours ago, 159Hunter said:

And this proves what exactly? 

Here it goes ..... nothing.

Not statistically significant

It proves that a lot of ships don't up-tier very good. And i can understand that this happend in some battles and i need to play very very careful and in a completely secondary role or die fast because i'm a huge target practice. But some battles. Not all. Cause then the game can get frustrating and boring.

 

For example: Lenin in tier X. 3 Battles. With this ship you start to hit things at 15-17km. But in a Battle with tier X CV, 2 Thunderer, Yamato, Ohio. They have way more range. And tier X battles are usually played at range. I get close to do something. I eat 3 AP bombs Im dead. Or 3 tier X torps im dead. Or every single cruiser can out-range me.

 

For example: Ashitaka in tier IX, 2 battles: I don't have Armour, I don't have AA, I am huge. At least at tier VII or even VIII i am one of the ships with most range. And you can try to protect you with that. At tier IX with, Jean Barts, Georgias, Musashis Alaskas... And most of times with a tier VIII CV. They have more range, more speed, and so huge i cant hide. Once i shoot they know where i am. And there is no way to angle with Ashitaka with that calibers. 

[159Hunter]

35 minutes ago, Furius_Marius said:

It proves that a lot of ships don't up-tier very good.

No it doesn't. Your statement was: " I played X battles, never top tier". How you go from that statement to proving that a lot of ships don't up-tier very good is a real brain twister.
I believe you, some ships don't like getting uptiered, don't get me wrong, but your initial statement was empty.

[Skinkmacka_SWE]

On 4/17/2020 at 5:19 PM, DFens_666 said:

 

Its called sticking to lowertiers. If people, who are not that good, would play low-midtiers, where they can perform better, we would have less issues than we have now in hightiers.

Yes I don't mind playing low or midtiers, but check the pic. The issues with bad player would be equally spread in both teams not like now where all players with thousands of matches are on one side?? How can this happen? 

[DFens_666]

5 minutes ago, Skinkmacka_SWE said:

Yes I don't mind playing low or midtiers, but check the pic. The issues with bad player would be equally spread in both teams not like now where all players with thousands of matches are on one side?? How can this happen? 

 

Since i dont have the players names, there is no way to tell who has played a lot of games and who hasnt.

Do you want to have that guy on your team, only because he has 42k random battles played? He is incompetent as it can be, never learned anything (or is a bot even). Someone with 1,5k battles atleast has the chance to come out of that 46% WR slump. That guy is bad and will stay bad for eternity.

[GengesKhan]

The game became retardedly unplayable, WG dont give a single [edited]about it, they just want now to introduce the submarines, they introducing some rediculous new ships, they want your money. They introducing new (nonexicted) ships and submarins and their game interface is like someone made it on ZX Spectrum. They make MM ONLY by a ships involved in a game, no matter if one team get 9 36%er and the other team get 53%+ players... The [edited]ship is not playing the [edited]game, it is the player who play it. Give the best ship to a fkn imbecile bot...he will just do his imbeciled things. 

[ColonelPete]

28 minutes ago, GengesKhan said:

The game became retardedly unplayable, ...

Interesting. Seems like half the playerbase does just fine....

[Furius_Marius]

Same problem today. 10 Battles. Tiers IX, VIII, VI. All games got up-tired mostly 2 tiers. For 2 days in a row didn't play as top tier. Trying to learn with Mogami, and all time i get tier X battles. The game is really kidding me. I don't know how its possible. Should be 50% get up-tired 50% be the top tier right? 

[ForlornSailor]

7 minutes ago, Furius_Marius said:

Should be 50% get up-tired 50% be the top tier right? 

 

Actually no. Because more people are playing T10 ships then T8. And T6 is once again lower. Thus the chance to get into a T10 game is much higher as a T8, unfortunatly. There is not much WG can do about this, since its the players decision...

[Furius_Marius]

Just now, ForlornSailor said:

 

Actually no. Because more people are playing T10 ships then T8. And T6 is once again lower. Thus the chance to get into a T10 game is much higher as a T8, unfortunatly. There is not much WG can do about this, since its the players decision...

Before its true that i was stepping in tier X battles with tier VIII more often than other tiers. But now is 100%. The problem is that when i want to go tier VII, VI I'm also up-tiered every single time. Its difficult when u just research a ship, and i want to learn. And direct I go to 2 tiers more. Last 25 battles any single top tier battle. How I need to play a 14km stock Mogami in tier X battles. Even the 15km range.  

[ForlornSailor]

Just now, Furius_Marius said:

How I need to play a 14km stock Mogami in tier X battles.

 

I mean this might sound cruel but you shouldnt. Dont ever bring a stock ship into random battles (atleast if you care about your performance and the outcome of the game, which you obviously do). I havent dont this for ages, same as ships with a bad captain. I always get them out of retraining and usualy start with atleast 10 points to get the crucial stuff working.

 

Anyway. The enemy team has T8 ships aswell due to the mirrored matchmaking. So in theory you only need to perform better then them to give your team an advantage. Ofc this is not always true, but T8 ships CAN also carry in T10 games. A lot of T10 players are really bad at this game. Dont be too afraid just because of the ship you face. Chances are high, your opponent doesnt know how to use that ship to the full advantage. Example: Just yesterday I went into a DM and 2 Thunderer with my North Carolina. Neither of them had heard about "not giving broadside" so I won a 1vs3 (not exclusivly, since there were other people involved aswell, but I give myself some credit) against 3 T10 ships as a T8.

 

There are the minimap screens, you can see from the positioning, that I just pushed into them, slowly over time. One of my T10 BBs is already gone by that time, the other is useless on the 10 line. Really perfect example how bad T10 players can be.

 

Spoiler

 

[anonym_mXiNEw7FBfIL]

22 hours ago, ForlornSailor said:

 

I mean this might sound cruel but you shouldnt. Dont ever bring a stock ship into random battles (atleast if you care about your performance and the outcome of the game, which you obviously do). I havent dont this for ages, same as ships with a bad captain. I always get them out of retraining and usualy start with atleast 10 points to get the crucial stuff working.

 

I have the same problem, uptiered to X with the Bismarck. Even more difficult with the Gneisenau of course. 

Its extremely difficult for me as a new player should i stick to co-op or what? Til my ship is fully upgraded? (i have a 10 point captain though)

 

Still got my first hit on a Yamato today so its something :).

[ColonelPete]

19 minutes ago, Rater91 said:

I have the same problem, uptiered to X with the Bismarck. Even more difficult with the Gneisenau of course. 

Its extremely difficult for me as a new player should i stick to co-op or what? Til my ship is fully upgraded? (i have a 10 point captain though)

 

Still got my first hit on a Yamato today so its something :).

You could stay longer in mid Tier or play other classes or lines.

[anonym_mXiNEw7FBfIL]

28 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

You could stay longer in mid Tier or play other classes or lines.

Yes you probable right. I stick to maxium tier 6 for now on. Its much easier. MM is a bit easier then also.

I struggle to like this game, MM should also take in account how many battles the players have had i think. I dont think it does that now.

 

 

 

[ColonelPete]

6 hours ago, Rater91 said:

Yes you probable right. I stick to maxium tier 6 for now on. Its much easier. MM is a bit easier then also.

I struggle to like this game, MM should also take in account how many battles the players have had i think. I dont think it does that now.

It does. But you left newbie protection some time ago.

[DFens_666]

8 hours ago, Rater91 said:

I struggle to like this game, MM should also take in account how many battles the players have had i think. I dont think it does that now.

 

Sadly, there is no guarantee that players eventually become good by playing more. There are absolutely horrible players with more than 10k games. And on the other end, you have superunicum reroll acounts with 1000 battles, so you cant really escape good or bad players with that proposal.

 

The best you can do is, dont focus on MM, but focus on your own improvement instead.

[Mokolotivet1]

Tried CV for the first time. Matchmaking with Tier 6CV=often tier 8=cant do crap without the planes getting deleted. Even got into a Tier6-9 battle. 

 

Since we got Tier 8 CV's, tier 6 shouldnt need to meet tier 8 battles.

[DFens_666]

2 minutes ago, Mokolotivet1 said:

Even got into a Tier6-9 battle. 

 

Then how about stop doing faildivisions? Then this wouldnt happen. Also you cant blame being constantly in T7-8 MM, when you apparently div up with T7 ships...

 

4 minutes ago, Mokolotivet1 said:

Since we got Tier 8 CV's, tier 6 shouldnt need to meet tier 8 battles.

 

I guess CVs dont have enough advantages already... what you are propsing is, a T6 CV divisioning up with T7 Ships would almost never see T8 MM, thus guaranteeing the T7 ships in the division to be toptier.