CV- Fight your instincts

[sgtmarple]

So, the reason I play CV as my main is because I wanted to be support the team. I wanted to be the eye in the sky that warns friendlys of incoming danger and generally be a guarding angel for that ever scoping BB and Cruiser player.

Don't do that.

WG doesen't want you to be that guy. You'll end up frustrated with low damage and low xp + credits. 

The best thing to do is take your bombers out , nope, not rockets, not torps, bombers. Ignore every Objective just fly  straight behind enemy lines and search for that one juicy lone BB (There is always one). If you play US, great enjoy the warmth of the fire heaven, if you play japanese, laugh at constant citadels hits. If they have a byplane, just fly your circles then attack. Rack up that damage, remember damage == KATCHING!. Then just repeat the process. 

Sure be generous when you fly over fiendlys , drop some fighters but don't get distracted by cries for help, remember Damage is King and that BB is still alive and has 40k HP just for you.

 

But what about spotting? What about being a Guarding Angel?

Let the DDs do it, they wanted the role. Let them enjoy it.

 

See, 2 out of 3 of DD players are brain dead. You have three DDs in each team, two will die within the first 5 minutes. They don't really need us CV to get themself killed. The will rush to the Objective and encounter the enemy DD there, now it is a 50/50 chance if your DD will survive. They both go broadside and fire their Torps and who ever wins sits in smoke on the Objective being blasted by every BB & Cruiser close by, so they normally die shortly after. Now the third DD is the clever one. He will avoid every ship and yes buddy, you won't see them either , only when his torps pop up beside you at the 12 minutes mark. He has watched your returning planes and just followed them.

 

So, just ignore DDs and Cruisers and keep hitting that BB till he goes pop. Great , we have reached 40k + damage. Now we won't be at the bottom of the Teamscore anymore, at least on Tier 6. Now you can open your map and have a quick look.  See a low hp cruiser, pop those rockets, see a limping BB, Citadel or Fire time...which means Money and XP.

 

You should only go after a DD only if he becomes a potential danger for your CV, otherwise you are wasting time you could spend bombing or torping that BB.

 

Wait, but my team might loose!

Sure, your team might loose but this way you always win as a CV. You know how I know? Cuz even in defeat I have a better Teamscore than the CV on the winning team that did support the team.

And if your Team wins, great! More power, xp and money to you :-)

 

Just compare.

https://replayswows.com/replay/43237#teams

 

 

[DreadArchangel]

Hya mate I posted a thread  as your saying a few days ago and agree wi you 100 percent, leave the scouting for the dd's after all they were the ones who wanted our scouting reduced.

[ClappingLollies]

Sad... But very true what OP is saying. Ive tried playing the "supporting" CV yesterday and today. Just does not work anymore. After WG made DD's almost immune to CV's there is no point wasting time on them. Go farm dmg instead like OP said. Let the DD's spot. They are better at it anyways. (For some reason that doesn't make any logical sense). 

 

WG clearly doesn't want any teamplay from CV's so there you have it. The next time you (a DD player) ask a CV for help against another DD's remember that because you where crying like a little *itch and refused to actually adapt your playstyle to the meta you most likely wont get any help. 

[BLUB__BLUB]

1 hour ago, sgtmarple said:

So, the reason I play CV as my main is because I wanted to be support the team. I wanted to be the eye in the sky that warns friendlys of incoming danger and generally be a guarding angel for that ever scoping BB and Cruiser player.

Don't do that.

WG doesen't want you to be that guy. You'll end up frustrated with low damage and low xp + credits. 

The best thing to do is take your bombers out , nope, not rockets, not torps, bombers. Ignore every Objective just fly  straight behind enemy lines and search for that one juicy lone BB (There is always one). If you play US, great enjoy the warmth of the fire heaven, if you play japanese, laugh at constant citadels hits. If they have a byplane, just fly your circles then attack. Rack up that damage, remember damage == KATCHING!. Then just repeat the process. 

Yes indeed. That is what WG wants you to do - they want the CV to be more like other ships. 

 

1 hour ago, sgtmarple said:

Sure be generous when you fly over fiendlys , drop some fighters but don't get distracted by cries for help, remember Damage is King and that BB is still alive and has 40k HP just for you.

 

But what about spotting? What about being a Guarding Angel?

Let the DDs do it, they wanted the role. Let them enjoy it.

I dunno if they wanted that role. But they sure wanted CVs nerfed and changed. Well. They got it.

 

 

1 hour ago, sgtmarple said:

See, 2 out of 3 of DD players are brain dead. You have three DDs in each team, two will die within the first 5 minutes. They don't really need us CV to get themself killed. The will rush to the Objective and encounter the enemy DD there, now it is a 50/50 chance if your DD will survive. They both go broadside and fire their Torps and who ever wins sits in smoke on the Objective being blasted by every BB & Cruiser close by, so they normally die shortly after. Now the third DD is the clever one. He will avoid every ship and yes buddy, you won't see them either , only when his torps pop up beside you at the 12 minutes mark. He has watched your returning planes and just followed them.

Agreed. Sometimes there is a 4th DD that actually does have a brain, and spots for the team and stuff though. I'll support him if he asks.

And sometimes there are two that go after the CV. Half points each... they do little else whole game. Duh. Useless.

 

1 hour ago, sgtmarple said:

So, just ignore DDs and Cruisers and keep hitting that BB till he goes pop. Great , we have reached 40k + damage. Now we won't be at the bottom of the Teamscore anymore, at least on Tier 6. Now you can open your map and have a quick look.  See a low hp cruiser, pop those rockets, see a limping BB, Citadel or Fire time...which means Money and XP.

Yup. I usually start even before I have finished the lone BB. Looking for ones that have used their DCP. 

 

1 hour ago, sgtmarple said:

You should only go after a DD only if he becomes a potential danger for your CV, otherwise you are wasting time you could spend bombing or torping that BB.

I'll not go after him... can't kill him anyway and he knows it. 

I'll run to the team. If they can't get him, well... they lost the CV and will lose the game.

 

1 hour ago, sgtmarple said:

Wait, but my team might loose!

Sure, your team might loose but this way you always win as a CV. You know how I know? Cuz even in defeat I have a better Teamscore than the CV on the winning team that did support the team.

And if your Team wins, great! More power, xp and money to you :-)

Indeed. If you have a selfish team, you better be selfish too. 

 

1 hour ago, MortenTardo said:

Sad... But very true what OP is saying. Ive tried playing the "supporting" CV yesterday and today. Just does not work anymore. After WG made DD's almost immune to CV's there is no point wasting time on them. Go farm dmg instead like OP said. Let the DD's spot. They are better at it anyways. (For some reason that doesn't make any logical sense). 

 

WG clearly doesn't want any teamplay from CV's so there you have it. The next time you (a DD player) ask a CV for help against another DD's remember that because you where crying like a little *itch and refused to actually adapt your playstyle to the meta you most likely wont get any help. 

He is indeed correct. BTW even my CV-hull is better at spotting than those planes on it. 

[ForlornSailor]

1 hour ago, MortenTardo said:

Sad... But very true what OP is saying. Ive tried playing the "supporting" CV yesterday and today. Just does not work anymore. After WG made DD's almost immune to CV's there is no point wasting time on them. Go farm dmg instead like OP said. Let the DD's spot. They are better at it anyways. (For some reason that doesn't make any logical sense). 

 

Where is the real MortenTardo and what have you done to him?

[Panocek]

7 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said:

 

Where is the real MortenTardo and what have you done to him?

Enjoying his gulag tour for reeducation as first step for forum moderator conscription?

[BLUB__BLUB]

1 minute ago, Panocek said:

Enjoying his gulag tour for reeducation as first step for forum moderator conscription?

I hear you get free dacha house & Chaika car with chauffeur... ehh free premium. 

Like in the good old days, but different. 

[Tugnut]

Love the CV, but i dont start with Bombs i go with torps, if i find a BB alone omg the damage is glorious... if not i will line up my torp run to hit 2 to 3 diffrent ships in a run :) then i take the bombers out... if i got some floods guess who i am heading for :O

 

I will support the DD a little... may be drop a fighter over the enemy DD or over there heads if the enemy CV is focused on them.

 

but every flight off the deck i have one thing in mind... do as much damage as possible and for the most part its working.

 

Only rage i am seeing in game to me is the fighters... players seem to think we have a endless stream of them and we can fly across the map at a drop of a hat to put one on top of them :/ and tbh they seem to be stupid most of the time and not attack planes for some time.

 

Lots of posts on this CV DD meta. Or CV AA nerfed or CV OP.... players cant seem to make there mind up... But as i see it, if your playing a CV go for the big plays and if your finding your self being targeted by a CV use your A S D W hacks, and not when the torps are 2 meters away... you see the planes drop and comming at you, start turning in to them if possilbe.  also if you see drop bombers on there way to you and they are comming in side on... dont turn out to them. turn in or wiggle a little.

 

 

[1MajorKoenig]

2 hours ago, sgtmarple said:

So, the reason I play CV as my main is because I wanted to be support the team. I wanted to be the eye in the sky that warns friendlys of incoming danger and generally be a guarding angel for that ever scoping BB and Cruiser player.

Don't do that.

WG doesen't want you to be that guy. You'll end up frustrated with low damage and low xp + credits. 

The best thing to do is take your bombers out , nope, not rockets, not torps, bombers. Ignore every Objective just fly  straight behind enemy lines and search for that one juicy lone BB (There is always one). If you play US, great enjoy the warmth of the fire heaven, if you play japanese, laugh at constant citadels hits. If they have a byplane, just fly your circles then attack. Rack up that damage, remember damage == KATCHING!. Then just repeat the process. 

Sure be generous when you fly over fiendlys , drop some fighters but don't get distracted by cries for help, remember Damage is King and that BB is still alive and has 40k HP just for you.

 

But what about spotting? What about being a Guarding Angel?

Let the DDs do it, they wanted the role. Let them enjoy it.

 

See, 2 out of 3 of DD players are brain dead. You have three DDs in each team, two will die within the first 5 minutes. They don't really need us CV to get themself killed. The will rush to the Objective and encounter the enemy DD there, now it is a 50/50 chance if your DD will survive. They both go broadside and fire their Torps and who ever wins sits in smoke on the Objective being blasted by every BB & Cruiser close by, so they normally die shortly after. Now the third DD is the clever one. He will avoid every ship and yes buddy, you won't see them either , only when his torps pop up beside you at the 12 minutes mark. He has watched your returning planes and just followed them.

 

So, just ignore DDs and Cruisers and keep hitting that BB till he goes pop. Great , we have reached 40k + damage. Now we won't be at the bottom of the Teamscore anymore, at least on Tier 6. Now you can open your map and have a quick look.  See a low hp cruiser, pop those rockets, see a limping BB, Citadel or Fire time...which means Money and XP.

 

You should only go after a DD only if he becomes a potential danger for your CV, otherwise you are wasting time you could spend bombing or torping that BB.

 

Wait, but my team might loose!

Sure, your team might loose but this way you always win as a CV. You know how I know? Cuz even in defeat I have a better Teamscore than the CV on the winning team that did support the team.

And if your Team wins, great! More power, xp and money to you :-)

 

Just compare.

https://replayswows.com/replay/43237#teams

 

 

 

Yes WG killed the old CVs with the new CVs. Then they killed the new CVs with three retarded nerf hammer rounds.

 

 

What’s left?

 

- scouting - nope, goes back to the DD Babies

 

- Support friendly DDs in capping - nope as you can’t spot DDs and can’t hurt DDs - back to DD Babies (who usually die in the proces indeed)

 

- do THE strike against key targets -  nope as overbuffed AA in enemy blob kills your planes long before you can drop anything - back to BB Babies 

 

 

So seriously - what is left...?

 

- being the scavenger at the end of the match (exciting?) - ...

 

- be the selfish damage dealer as described by OP without your planes returning (exciting?) - ...

 

- I guess that’s it folks 

 

 

[Beastofwar]

I still go on a recon patrol first thing looksee what the enemy fleet is up to. Not only can that be very usefull to the team - some use it most don't - but also for myself as i know where to locate the CV to.

 

Most of the time i still overfly DD so their  position in marked too. Returning from the recon i check where allied DD are and if they are going in the direction of enemy DD i go support them as when enemy DD are spotted by allied DD or another source rocket fighter attack runs are  still damaging. Up to this point i have very little damage done, even if a DD would be killed.Very frustrating as some matches where the enemy roflstomps my team the match ends then.....tens of thousands of credits minus !

 

Midgame the enemy ships may have scattered, stragglers and lone rambo's become obvious as targets and there are gaps in the AA defence. Then it is time to take out bombers for a spin.

 

To me CV are mid-end game vehicles gaining in strenght as others grow weaker. This is due to nerfing, CV weapons and aircraft are too weak, inaccurate and now blind to DD to attack begin match. But score buildup is like that too.....if there is no end game because the enemy has won very quick, my CV and i think all CV suffer.

[ClappingLollies]

49 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said:

 

Where is the real MortenTardo and what have you done to him?

Don't know where he is. Haven't seen him. 

 

Spoiler

 

But what i and OP said is true tho. You cant deny that if you play CV's. 

[Beastofwar]

2 hours ago, sgtmarple said:

See, 2 out of 3 of DD players are brain dead. You have three DDs in each team, two will die within the first 5 minutes. They don't really need us CV to get themself killed. The will rush to the Objective and encounter the enemy DD there, now it is a 50/50 chance if your DD will survive. They both go broadside and fire their Torps and who ever wins sits in smoke on the Objective being blasted by every BB & Cruiser close by, so they normally die shortly after. Now the third DD is the clever one. He will avoid every ship and yes buddy, you won't see them either , only when his torps pop up beside you at the 12 minutes mark. He has watched your returning planes and just followed them.

This is actually how i see it too.....but WG doesn't care what DD do as long as they are not discontent. They were, stopped playing  so we get nerfed.

[ForlornSailor]

29 minutes ago, MortenTardo said:

But what i and OP said is true tho. You cant deny that if you play CV's. 

 

Well... I mean... Its not really about denying or argueing against it, but when I read:

 

3 hours ago, sgtmarple said:

Wait, but my team might loose!

Sure, your team might loose but this way you always win as a CV.

 

Then I refuse to accept the current state or that strategy as valid. Although I can understand why the things that are said have been said. But its interesting that OP is critizing the lack of rewards for spotting now. You and I know, that this is nothing new. I always refused to change my playstyle as a DD, when the option was putting my personal reward (we are mostly taking credits here, not XP, since winning will always lead to more XP) infront of my teams chances to win. I mean Id like to think there is a reason why I win 2 out of 3 games I join as a DD. And its not like teamplay mechanics havent been nerfed before? Man the glorious days I played my US DDs as team b!tches only. Smoking up as many guys as possible and run up and down infront of my own smoke. I didnt care about my damage, I didnt care about my credits. I care about winning. And thats still my absolute main goal whenever I join a game. And that brings me to the part, where I actually do disagree with OP: Beein egoistic. This is a teamgame afterall. I strongly believe in that and I will always stand up for that. You better spot that DD if need it gone to make us win. And we, as experianced players, should counter egoistic views and tell them, that thats not the way to go. If you teamplay, the game is MUCH more enjoyable, aka fun!

 

Something, you read a lot these days, is, that people saying, they dont have fun. Then I wonder why that is. Maybe because you are too focussed on yourself? I never ever watch my credit outcome every round. I simply dont care. Just play some premium ships inbetween and that stupid stuff will flow in by itself. Or dont rush through all silver lines but keep on playing. I did 160 games in Svietlana when I started because I enjoyed the game, I liked playing that ship. What has happened to that? What are we here for? Rush ASAP to T10? Look only how my credits pile up? Meanwhile rage at the game because its so s%%%? That doesnt make sense at all...

[El2aZeR]

- play Midway

- use RFs as expendable scouts to see whether enemy DDs dare to go off alone, shorten the squad for this purpose

- if you find one attack once if possible, recall then nuke the  out of them with DBs

 

And I'd rather win than get good reward and lose.

[ClappingLollies]

13 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said:

 

Well... I mean... Its not really about denying or argueing against it, but when I read:

 

 

Then I refuse to accept the current state or that strategy as valid. Although I can understand why the things that are said have been said. But its interesting that OP is critizing the lack of rewards for spotting now. You and I know, that this is nothing new. I always refused to change my playstyle as a DD, when the option was putting my personal reward (we are mostly taking credits here, not XP, since winning will always lead to more XP) infront of my teams chances to win. I mean Id like to think there is a reason why I win 2 out of 3 games I join as a DD. And its not like teamplay mechanics havent been nerfed before? Man the glorious days I played my US DDs as team b!tches only. Smoking up as many guys as possible and run up and down infront of my own smoke. I didnt care about my damage, I didnt care about my credits. I care about winning. And thats still my absolute main goal whenever I join a game. And that brings me to the part, where I actually do disagree with OP: Beein egoistic. This is a teamgame afterall. I strongly believe in that and I will always stand up for that. You better spot that DD if need it gone to make us win. And we, as experianced players, should counter egoistic views and tell them, that thats not the way to go. If you teamplay, the game is MUCH more enjoyable, aka fun!

 

Something, you read a lot these days, is, that people saying, they dont have fun. Then I wonder why that is. Maybe because you are too focussed on yourself? I never ever watch my credit outcome every round. I simply dont care. Just play some premium ships inbetween and that stupid stuff will flow in by itself. Or dont rush through all silver lines but keep on playing. I did 160 games in Svietlana when I started because I enjoyed the game, I liked playing that ship. What has happened to that? What are we here for? Rush ASAP to T10? Look only how my credits pile up? Meanwhile rage at the game because its so s%%%? That doesnt make sense at all...

That is not what WG want you to do anymore tho. They are going away from spotting or smoking. Or teamplay in general. I refuse to spot when i'm clearly not supposed to do that. I have done that thousands of games and frankly i'm tired of doing something that you don't get rewarded for. I probably have two thousand games in DD's where i did "what i was supposed to do". Don't blame us for adapting to WG's playstyle. Blame them ;)

[ForlornSailor]

2 minutes ago, MortenTardo said:

That is not what WG want you to do anymore tho. They are going away from spotting or smoking. Or teamplay in general. I refuse to spot when i'm clearly not supposed to do that. I have done that thousands of games and frankly i'm tired of doing something that you don't get rewarded for. I probably have two thousand games in DD's where i did "what i was supposed to do". Don't blame us for adapting to WG's playstyle. Blame them ;)

 

Oh I am blaming them. But at the same time im trying to gather people and make them see, that there is a better way to play this game - if WG finaly agrees with that. So lets all gather in our crusade to get f.e. spotters the rewards they deserve.

Here are some pitchforks.

 

[DFens_666]

5 minutes ago, MortenTardo said:

That is not what WG want you to do anymore tho. They are going away from spotting or smoking. Or teamplay in general. I refuse to spot when i'm clearly not supposed to do that. I have done that thousands of games and frankly i'm tired of doing something that you don't get rewarded for. I probably have two thousand games in DD's where i did "what i was supposed to do". Don't blame us for adapting to WG's playstyle. Blame them ;)

 

Play BB They are superior in everything.

- Good damage output

- Can tank

- Can even spot! last couple of matches i had 100k average spotting damage with GK They must be good spotters since they survive while being under pressure First need to get rid of any DD tho, then do what you want.

 

[Linkaex]

Depends highly on the situation when to spot and when to do dot damage. I mean damage numbers, XP and credit rewards are nice and all to go for. But is not always the winning strategy. 

[ClappingLollies]

8 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

First need to get rid of any DD tho, then do what you want.

 

That is apparently not the CV's job anymore tho. So.... Ill DMG farm the Yamato and GKF in the back, then leave the DD's to the ones that is supposed to get rid of them 

[Bear__Necessities]

Ya’ll just pissed you can multi-spot across a map and alpha strike everything like back in RTS. We get it. Easier to blame anyone who plays in a DD for you inadequacies as a CV player.

 

Never mind that WG are still making adjustments to CV’s and have stated they are not the finished article yet... 

 

But WG putting out a line not tested properly is totally the fault of DD’s...

[El2aZeR]

24 minutes ago, Bear_Necessities said:

Ya’ll just pissed you can multi-spot across a map and alpha strike everything like back in RTS.

 

I bet you're mad tho that over on the CN server we get old Islands of Ice instead of the disgusting new one with epicancer and thunderstorm on it.

Spoiler

 

[Bear__Necessities]

6 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

I bet you're mad tho that over on the CN server we get old Islands of Ice instead of the disgusting new one with epicancer and thunderstorm on it.

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How did you know! Are you a spy? 

[El2aZeR]

1 minute ago, Bear_Necessities said:

How did you know! Are you a spy? 

 

I asked a glorious certain Commissar. He looked it up in your file. 

[Bear__Necessities]

1 minute ago, El2aZeR said:

 

I asked a glorious certain Commissar. He looked it up in your file. 

Interesting...

 

...they don’t have access to my... errrrr... search history do they?

 

My god... it would be embarrassing to have to explain looking up all those farmer sims games... I mean pawn... yes. That’s what I mean...

[Spellfire40]

Killing the DDs only loses you the game when your own team present the oposing CV a lots of solotary targets. And while a lots of dds gets themself killed in the first few minutes your helpingt with it actively by killing and spoting them is quite an isureance agist your own side braindead charging known randorpositions DDs......fight your istinct high damage dont win you the game as any kiting IJN CA can tell you 200k+ means nopthing if 50% of it are healed at a click of a butom and 3 out of 3 caps are red.......