Update 0.8.0.3

[hgbn_dk]

 

@ForlornSailor @DFens_666

[Beastofwar]

I don't understand WG at all...

 

First spend a lot of time and money on a complete rebuild of the class no one asked for, then make it unenjoyable/unplayable to use. After the release it has been one stream of CV nerfs and therefore disappointments. The rework itself was already a huge nerf.  And then release a tech tree ( UK CV ) no one  in their right mind  would want (anymore) ??

 

I have enjoyed myself with the new CV mechanics, despite nerfs but if i only get -40k to -100K credit match results i too will not use them anymore untill they may be changed again more favorable. Not even when those UK CV are released.

 

I am still grinding through the tech tree, i need crap loads of credits and XP. Not lose them AND suffer unenjoyable play. Cannot see why anyone else would....

 

 

[maszlag6]

I sell ranger. I hope after patch sell the ryujo, and end my cv carrier. I almost like this mode.

 

[IGADI]

stop tier 8 vs tier 10  crusers 10 like bb in level 8 cv lvl 8 no chance vs tier 10 .... *edited*

[Pikkozoikum]

3 hours ago, DuneDreamer said:

 

Some people said that once the player base is done testing the new CV mechanics, we will be seeing less and less CVs. I believe that is what is happening now.

Guess that's normal, not everyone will play CV, but not everyone plays BB or DD or Cruiser. So there will be of course a lower number of CV mains

 

 

3 hours ago, RamboCras said:

More changes to fix something that's broken in the core... like the 20% spotting will matter significantly, with their ridiculous speed they will fly 2 seconds further and still spot you.

 

They keep nerving and nerving and nerving. The carrier is OP in presence, if he focusses you he is on you every 30 seconds which is insane. AA of some DDs is more effective than Cruisers or BBs who have a LOT more guns. Because of the swift zoning on DDs their AA is always 120-150%.

Just killed another 30 planes in my KIDD... just silly!!

 

The speed is not really ridiculous. As long as I know the RTS TB of Haku were ~10-20 knots faster than the reworked bombers. Only with boost they're fast

 

The 20% will matter a lot, especially against CLs and for dds, also there are multiple changes which are combined really strong. DDs a re spotter later and attack planes need more time for aiming and are more senstive, that all together will matter a lot.

[Corsairdream]

WG  delete cvs easier than that

[IanEglin]

I play all classes including DDs and CVs, some observations.

 

Some DDs were overpowered, the new CVs corrected this imbalance

 

The damage taken by aircraft against some targets is ridiculously high

 

Air dropped torpedoes had piss poor damage potential even before this downgrade.

[KHS01]

 I can't believe this changes.. This is a nerf again for CVs. Bored, really bored. Let us to play with our CVs by fun please!

 

With Midway it was already difficult to get a flood. I had 10 torpedoes hit by a Montana on the day before. Not a single flood. There are many examples. You're making the CVs more unplayable.

 

OK! What do we do when the DDs catch us alone? We didn't have much luck, and we were sinking. Because it's not easy to hit DD every time. Good DD players can survive most of the time. I'm a mostly CV player and many times I'm witnessing to this. Is this change for noob DD players? Ok very nice! So what about noob CV players rights? (Don't say me, then no play with CV!) We won't have any chance anymore, and we're gonna wait for torpedoes or shells. Great! 

 

If the enemy team has a CV, you have a CV too. And good teams defend their DDs. By strong AA ships or CV fighters.

 

In real life, aircraft carriers are the most powerful ships of the navies. Of course they should be superior to other ships in the game too. I think it is a privilege playing with CV.  It's not easy to play with them.  She is the most complained ship by other players in the game. Why? You have to do many tasks with her at the same time. Scout, spot, protection, attack, defense, hide your hull, save your planes ... etc. But you've made her like an ordinary ship by last nerfs and continue to do this. You destroyed all her charisma. A BB or DD (sometimes even CAs) can destroy 7-8 ships in a battle but CVs can not ha? Funny! (watch Youtube videos) Why this hostility to CVs? That's not the solution mates. I'm sorry you made the wrong decision again. All you have to do is give maximum 1 CV to each team and make the tier difference in MM max. +/- 1.

 

And some people says, CV planes unlimitted after rework. This is not true! When you lost your plane, you must wait more than 1 minute for every new plane in T10 CVs. Think, if you lost your all squadron?! All match max. 20 minutes! So it is not unlimitted like DD's torpedoes mates!  

 

I'm afraid this changes will make the players more away from the CV play. I'm mostly a CV player and now I think may be removing CV from the game will be the best thing for our mental health! 

 

Thank you.

[DFens_666]

43 minutes ago, hgbn_dk said:

7,4 km air detection range on mino today and -20% tomorrow you can do the math yourself

Yes, but if you go back, one guy was saying that it would get worse, see here:

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Neptune + Minotaur stealth AA is already a major threat to planes, with this, they are gonna ambush kill entire squads with no counterplay

 

There is no stealth AA CURRENTLY on Neptune and Minotaur. So we told him, he was wrong. And you jumped in, because we were talking about something else

After the update, they will be unspotted by the time you fly into their AA range yes. But its simply wrong what the other guy said.

[Black0rchid]

I am still laughing after reading the 8.3 patch notes. Really ? More nerfs to the already BAD CV'S ? I am not a CV main ... but I pitty the few CV players that are still in the game.  BTW @Crysantos could someone from Wargamming please Explain why the captain retraining and the module exchange for free was removed while the CV's are still being changed? Why wasn't it done after they reach a final version? And if we ever stop playing test server on the live servers and the CV's reach the final version will there be a captain retrain again?

 

[hgbn_dk]

1 minute ago, DFens_666 said:

Yes, but if you go back, one guy was saying that it would get worse, see here:

 

There is no stealth AA CURRENTLY on Neptune and Minotaur. So we told him, he was wrong. And you jumped in, because we were talking about something else

After the update, they will be unspotted by the time you fly into their AA range yes. But its simply wrong what the other guy said.

No I just used my head... And you can't deny that tomorrow the detection range by air is going to be 20% less than today.... Every Minotaur or Worchester  will select zone to enhance and turn of their AA until they are plane spotted... Perferct way to deny spotting from the air until those cruisers are located... Its not today but Tomorrow

[ForlornSailor]

53 minutes ago, hgbn_dk said:

7,4 km air detection range on mino today and -20% tomorrow you can do the math yourself

 

My god you fail so hard. I can do math. And WAY better then you can do reading, because THAT was the point of discussion:

 

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Neptune + Minotaur stealth AA is already a major threat to planes, with this, [clearly refering to the coming update] they are gonna ambush kill entire squads with no counterplay 

 

Do you still not understand? And I guess this goes for @Pikkozoikum aswell since you marked his post positive. Use your brains and try reading comprehension. Nobody will ever take you serious if you keep failing like this.

[hgbn_dk]

Just now, ForlornSailor said:

 

My god you fail so hard. I can do math. And WAY better then you can do reading, because THAT was the point of discussion:

 

 

Do you still not understand? And I guess this goes for @Pikkozoikum aswell since you marked his post positive. Use your brains and try reading comprehension. Nobody will ever take you serious if you keep failing like this.

I'm not failing you are.... Its just like stealth radar same mechanic

[ForlornSailor]

Just now, hgbn_dk said:

I'm not failing you are.... Its just like stealth radar same mechanic

 

Buahahahahahahah Im literally laughing about you right now.

[DFens_666]

2 minutes ago, hgbn_dk said:

No I just used my head... And you can't deny that tomorrow the detection range by air is going to be 20% less than today.... Every Minotaur or Worchester  will select zone to enhance and turn of their AA until they are plane spotted... Perferct way to deny spotting from the air until those cruisers are located... Its not today but Tomorrow

1. Didnt deny that

2. Again: The guy we responded to said, that Neptune and Minotaur have Stealth AA RIGHT NOW. Which is false. You are basicly agreeing with him because you try to correct us.

3. Tomorrow it will be different - doesnt make it more true to lie about current mechanics

[tsounts]

I don't know why people are having such a hard time in dds, use WASD, smoke and allies and you should be relatively ok.  Contrary, IJN CVs have already been nerfed in terms of their torpedo planes that now take forever to aim. 

You guys impose unfinished patches on the playerbase but very little time to adjust (little time of free respecs).

[m3c0]

When people were complaining about the totally useless Shokaku/Haku and the superior Lexi/Midway in the Developer Bulletin 0.8.1, I was really hoping that WG will do something about it.

I was hoping that they will buff a bit the IJN carriers again so they are more competitive.

 

And actually WG did something about it. And WG really made both US and IJN CV branches competitive.

Competitive in being totally useless.

 

CV rework = EPIC FAIL. Thx WG for this FARCE! [edit]Some rage removed[/edit]

[CaiusJuliusBrutus]

Same s***t with other smell....

[ThePereplut]

So now I have two options:

- maneuver during an attack to avoid flak bubbles and hope  my bombs/torps will hit

- pray to RNGesus and fly straight ahead

[Dr_Snak0r]

The good thing is we can still trade CV's in for credits and free XP, whatever I'm supposed to do with that...

 

Way to use a nerf wrecking ball instead of a nerf hammer to hammer in a tiny nail...

[hgbn_dk]

3 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

1. Didnt deny that

2. Again: The guy we responded to said, that Neptune and Minotaur have Stealth AA RIGHT NOW. Which is false. You are basicly agreeing with him because you try to correct us.

3. Tomorrow it will be different - doesnt make it more true to lie about current mechanics

I have been talking about tomorrow and in the future the whole time, not today..

[Pizzamann_84]

Ok, that's it, I refuse to play the already nerfed to hell Midway now!

[DodoDieHard]

Nice so 8.0.4 will remove CVs again?

 

[ForlornSailor]

2 minutes ago, hgbn_dk said:

I have been talking about tomorrow and in the future the whole time, not today..

 

YOU stomped Into a discussion between 2 people. YOU can NOT change the subject. Either you contribute to what has been said or you SHHHH. ffs millennials. PS: You even look more stupid now.

[Dr_Snak0r]

BTW, DD's have an unfair advantage against BB's, so please nerf DD's into the ground.

Oh, and cruisers have an unfair advantage against DD's for the most part, so please nerf those into the ground.

Oh, and BB's have too big guns, it's unfair to the cruisers that they can citadel, so please nerf those into the ground.

 

Come to think about it, nerf everything or just remove it from the game...