Update 0.8.0.3

[Peffers]

6 hours ago, Hexxas said:

Sadly i do not have time to follow this Forum today , since i have Party in another city here in Denmark , but trust me
i will not step down until they balance theire nerfs, Btw Wargaming you have to obey EU Laws for selling game Items and game content in europe and right now i dont see Wargaming obey EUROPEAN Laws.

 

Removal of content that players all ready bought im sure thats against EU Laws.

 

For those in the UK. The Consumer Rights Act 2015.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-rights-for-consumers-when-buying-digital-content

 

These rules apply after 30 days of purchase for online purchases anything from a fridge to a digital download.

 

* after 30 days, retailers have one opportunity to repair or replace any goods and the consumer can choose whether they want the goods to be repaired or replaced - if the attempt at a repair or replacement is unsuccessful, the consumer can then claim a refund or a price reduction if they wish to keep the product.

[Kedo]

@Peffers

1) it's off topic

2) you wave that by installing game - accepting EULA:

 

5. Using the Game
5.1 In return for your acceptance of this EULA, we give you the personal right (known as a ‘licence’) during the time this EULA is in force between you and us to download, install and play the Game.

5.2 This licence is:

(a) ‘non-exclusive’ (meaning that we can grant the same and similar licences to other people as well);
(b) ‘revocable’ (meaning that we can terminate this licence in certain circumstances, which are explained further below);
(c) ‘personal’ (meaning that you may not use the Game for any commercial purpose);
(d) ‘non-transferable’ (meaning that the licence is only for your benefit and you may not transfer or sub-licence any of the rights that we grant to you to any other person); and
(e) ‘limited’ (meaning that you can only use the Game for the purposes we set out in this EULA); and
(f) conditional on your compliance with this EULA.

 

7. Patches, Updates and Changes
From time to time, we may need to deploy or provide patches, updates, additional content or other modifications to the Game (for example to enhance online gameplay, to add new or update features or to resolve software bugs). You hereby accept, recognize and understand that we constantly work on further development of the Game and Services, we improve, upgrade and update graphics, features, gameplay and any other Content of the Game in order to make the gameplay enjoyable for you.

 

EDIT: 3) you don't buy but rent software (same as with Windows), owner is still Wargaming

[Aragathor]

1 hour ago, Kedo said:

@Peffers

1) it's off topic

2) you wave that by installing game - accepting EULA:

 

 

5. Using the Game
5.1 In return for your acceptance of this EULA, we give you the personal right (known as a ‘licence’) during the time this EULA is in force between you and us to download, install and play the Game.

5.2 This licence is:

(a) ‘non-exclusive’ (meaning that we can grant the same and similar licences to other people as well);
(b) ‘revocable’ (meaning that we can terminate this licence in certain circumstances, which are explained further below);
(c) ‘personal’ (meaning that you may not use the Game for any commercial purpose);
(d) ‘non-transferable’ (meaning that the licence is only for your benefit and you may not transfer or sub-licence any of the rights that we grant to you to any other person); and
(e) ‘limited’ (meaning that you can only use the Game for the purposes we set out in this EULA); and
(f) conditional on your compliance with this EULA.

 

7. Patches, Updates and Changes
From time to time, we may need to deploy or provide patches, updates, additional content or other modifications to the Game (for example to enhance online gameplay, to add new or update features or to resolve software bugs). You hereby accept, recognize and understand that we constantly work on further development of the Game and Services, we improve, upgrade and update graphics, features, gameplay and any other Content of the Game in order to make the gameplay enjoyable for you.

You do know that in the EU the EULA is worth very little? With the UsedSoft v Oracle  decision, notwithstanding the end of the legal dispute between the sides, the European Court of Justice has declared EULA's as non-binding.

So WG can write whatever they want, but in the end the applicable customer rights of the nation of residence define the rights we as players have.

 

To the useless response below:

The ECJ has established a precedent in which the EULA is not binding, the precedent has not been invalidated by the end result of the court case. Individual consumer laws make accept or not use EULAs partially or wholly unenforceable. National laws can make an EULA partially or wholly invalid, thus the salvatory clause in it. To see whether an EULA is valid it would be necessary to challenge it in a national court.

 

You are spreading disinformation. Since you clearly identify yourself as a WG supporter you are not a trustworthy source of information.

[Kedo]

@Aragathor

off-topic

Spoiler

EU - UsedSoft v Oracle: ECJ approves sale of ‘used’ software
On 3 July 2012, the ECJ handed down its landmark decision in UsedSoft GmbH v Oracle International Corp (C-128/11), ruling that the owner of copyright in software cannot prevent a perpetual licensee who has downloaded the software from the Internet from selling his ‘used’ license. 

 

There is nothing about EULA not being binding in general. Also OWNER of WoWs (software) is Wargaming and they can change it however they want. Installation isn't possible without accepting EULA (contract) and by buying in-game stuff (widening your license to use). What you CAN imo do, is to sell your account even if it's prohibited in EULA. If you want to discuss this further, feel free to PM me - no need to extend this off-topic even more.

 

[TTier]

asd

[malaquey]

10 hours ago, NothingButTheRain said:

Well, there is AA focus to one side and enable/disable AA(and secondaries) entirely. it's not much, but at least it's not totally passive.

And yes, I really liked the dodging of flak bursts as a new game mechanic and planes now having hp instead of the more RNG focussed yes or no we had before 

Saying that gives you control is like saying you can choose which arm to lose, better than nothing but still not much better...

[gmomkey]

7 hours ago, Sinoya said:

Maybe it worked better if they the old cv's are back and did less damage on those torps and reduces spotting range it would be better then nerfing and finetuning this rework.

Buts its only my opinion, because they never gonna change it now because too many people worked on this rework.

We better deal with it, and try to comment with good arguments so WG can use those comments to make a better gameplay.

 

Dont kill me after my comment but its not working if we keep on blaming WG try to fix it is a better solution.

this Captain is true .. the only way we are going to get it right is to keep playing so WG can gather the stats and out feed back on the forums . 

if only Every one joined us in the feed back ..... but alas a lot of Captains just don't and they leave the game in the hope it will magically improve .

Keep Calm Captains and Carrier On  

 

[rising_uk]

1 hour ago, gmomkey said:

... so WG can gather the stats and out feed back on the forums . 

if only Every one joined us in the feed back ..... but alas a lot of Captains just don't and they leave the game in the hope it will magically improve .

Keep Calm Captains and Carrier On  

 

Except that apparently they did just this with the PTS and then ignored everything that was said to them and went ahead and released the 'rework' anyway. Now they wish to use peoples hard earned money to test out their beta product and just keep telling us that it'll all come out in the wash despite all the feedback from the forums telling them that they have fubar'd the meta and that is not just the usual subjects but players with 8,000+ games who have pretty much never posted upon the forums throughout all the past changes to the meta. So I don't hold out much hope in your faith.

[miScx]

3 games in a row with double cvs in tier 10.

Guess who's fighting eachother at the end, cvs..

 

It's World of Carriers now.. lol

Always last standing and fighting eachother, we are nothing but cannon fodder...

 

I thought you guys had Beta testing??

[KHS01]

4 saat önce, miScx dedi:

3 games in a row with double cvs in tier 10.

Guess who's fighting eachother at the end, cvs..

 

So what dude? This is very normal. CVs always hide their self and hardly sink. They have no guns as you know. What about their dmg or kills? Tell about them to us please.

[Goktsu]

How do we get our money back? 

[NothingButTheRain]

10 hours ago, malaquey said:

Saying that gives you control is like saying you can choose which arm to lose, better than nothing but still not much better...

Yes?

[hedgehog_s]

I considered myself a decent carrier player, I enjoyed CV play, I had both T7 carriers, I played all other classes of ships too. Now I have T4 US CV and T6 IJN CV. Yesterday I decided not to bother playing the Ryujo - its pointless, its ALWAYS the only T6 in T8 battles and as such can do [edited] crap apart from spot - which should NOT be a CVs job anyway but only a sideline of their work. I have been playing the Langley but I either get a game with 1200 damage - today phoenix kills 5 rocket planes before the strike and last one before release and this is BOT phoenix in CooP ffs or yesterday my whole team dies leaving me V 75% health New York and full health Kaiser - for TWELVE USELESS MINUTES of my life I launch wave after wave - kill the Kaiser, get the New York down to 3K health, do over 50K in total and lose because the battle time expires and the Langley drops one torp at a time doing crap all damage and never causing a flood.

 

WG you implemented these changes to make more CV play more enjoyable - well guys it IS NOT, it is FRUSTRATING, BORING, POWERLESS, and overall just crap - admit your mistakes remove CVS from the game until they are sorted or bring back the old system which only whingers and whiners critiscised anyway.

[Kedo]

14 hours ago, miScx said:

3 games in a row with double cvs in tier 10.

Guess who's fighting eachother at the end, cvs..

 

It's World of Carriers now.. lol

Always last standing and fighting eachother, we are nothing but cannon fodder...

 

I thought you guys had Beta testing??

Are you for real? I played yesterday and had 8 games in a row without CVs... tier 8-9 mostly uptiered to X ofc. So excuse me, but I don't believe you.

 

EDIT: and even if it really happened, there is nothing wrong about ship that has no guns to survive till the end, since it cannot go effectively into gunfight, can it? 

[anonym_RGvUdEcxWWvD]

Any news whether we can refund Hakuryu? At this point I dont even want Midway, just give back my wasted exp. I wont even be mad if they just refund the mess they created.

[DuneDreamer]

9 minutes ago, Zlaraki said:

Any news whether we can refund Hakuryu? At this point I dont even want Midway, just give back my wasted exp. I wont even be mad if they just refund the mess they created.

You have no appreciation for the amount of work invested in and the genius decision making that resulted in the creation of the new CV gameplay!

[rising_uk]

1 hour ago, Kedo said:

Are you for real? I played yesterday and had 8 games in a row without CVs... tier 8-9 mostly uptiered to X ofc. So excuse me, but I don't believe you.

But this is the problem is it not? If the CV's aren't there then you've more than likely got your ship spec'd in an inefficient way to play without CV's.

1 hour ago, Kedo said:

 

EDIT: and even if it really happened, there is nothing wrong about ship that has no guns to survive till the end, since it cannot go effectively into gunfight, can it? 

It's a fair point but not one that appears to be holding in the lower tiers and as the gameplay there appears to be dd's actively hunting the CV from the get go and since the latest patch they are even harder to spot and stop with a CV alone and you very rarely get support from your team mates in this situation.

[Kedo]

well it's kinda boring to play without CVs, spoting is lacking, there is no quick response support and camping is not punished, so yes, it's a problem and it's not about my specs.

[miScx]

2 hours ago, Kedo said:

Are you for real? I played yesterday and had 8 games in a row without CVs... tier 8-9 mostly uptiered to X ofc. So excuse me, but I don't believe you.

 

EDIT: and even if it really happened, there is nothing wrong about ship that has no guns to survive till the end, since it cannot go effectively into gunfight, can it? 

 

Well it's the truth.. 3 games in a row. :)

Believe or not..

 

Listen... I was a cv player before the reworks. I really enjoyed, but I also recognized that something had to be done.

It wasen't balanced. Sure a cv is suppose to hide to an exstent, but that's not the issue. The issue is, they drop everything before you can even get to them.

Spotting is insane now, no chance of sneaking up.. DD play has been eliminated.. and even i'm spotted as a cv.. I can EASILY kill whatever comes at me.

It's absolutely stupid...

That's all I have to say about it. Worst update made so far, and it has killed gameplay for alot of people.

 

[StringWitch]

Interesting. The global air concealment buff is an idea I had thought could be an effective measure which nobody was talking about.

[OnceBittenTwiceShy]

16 hours ago, rising_uk said:

It's a fair point but not one that appears to be holding in the lower tiers and as the gameplay there appears to be dd's actively hunting the CV from the get go and since the latest patch they are even harder to spot and stop with a CV alone and you very rarely get support from your team mates in this situation.

Thats true. I went out in my Lexington, was spotted and 4 minutes later, had 2 DDs on my butt. I try to prevent such situations, by sticking close to my team but if they choose to run away, it takes an age and a half, to turn this bulk around. The only good thing about the unrealistic "balancing", WG introduced lately, is that every CV player now exactly knows, with how much yolo a DD can get away with. I'll take my Shima and will exclusively go for CVs. If nothing else, this kick into CV unmentionables has returned the glory of IJN DDs. Me myself, an old CV player, who has, a long time ago, started this game with the goal of getting a Shimakaze, am happy and frustrated at the same time. Maybe, after looking at their "Statistics", WG realizes, how hard they buggered this up. However, not everyone is blessed with angel like patience.*edited*

 

[MRGTB]

There has been a lot less CV in games today playing. Looks like many are stopping playing CV judging by today's lack of them in games. Far more games today with no CV at all in them, and the ones having CV in them has mostly been 1 CV a side. Very few games today with 2 CV a side, bet I could count them on one hand after playing around 50 matches today.

 

It's been easier playing a DD today, but that's mostly down to the lack of CV present in matches. If you do get two CV in a match, not seeing much difference in the perma spotting really, it's pretty much same as before even with this latest patch.

[Slowbreaker]

Today I played 4 battles in random with an IJN CV T6 (*1).

And surprise (not really), each time I was the only player with a CV in the team.

I played 4 more random, 2 in Jean Bart, 1 in Kidd and the last one with Graf Spee.

I encountered only one match with a CV and it was in my T6.

Could be that I was “lucky”, but I’m not the only one that have encountered that situation.

After the rework and even after 0.8.0.2 they were at least 1 or 2 CV per team, now it's 1 or none.

 

 

With this account I decided to play 2 match in co-op with my two IJN CV T4/T6 and I was the only one in the team each time.

I played some others ships in co-op 5 times (T4-7) and surprise no CV player practicing.

 

 

If WG don’t try to “fix” this problem soon, and I don’t mean by giving a little boost to the CV to make the player comeback to it and after that add more nerf to them or give bigger advantages to the other classes, the numerous hours they have put to make CV more attractive to players will go to waste.

 

Also like I said before the decreased detectability by air (+20%) to all the classes make no sense.

Unless you are trying to tell us that the ship used in-game are “reproduction” using modern technology to reach that result.

 

 

I know the game don’t use too much reality check, but you should perhaps do one for time to time, as some of the change don’t have any logical explanation.

 

 

(*1) For the stat fan who like to check profile, no it wasn’t with this account.

[MRGTB]

 

22 minutes ago, Slowbreaker said:

Also like I said before the decreased detectability by air (+20%) to all the classes make no sense.

From what I see in my DD it doesn't really make that huge a difference. Before the patch the DD had 3.5k detected by Air, now it has 2.8K. You are not even talking 1k difference and doesn't make that big a difference when it comes to being perma-spotted still -  when having 2 CV in a match.

[gmomkey]

so where are the CV's gone .. played 10 battles tonight and had 2 CV games . . so how do we do these shoot down planes missions ?? play our CV's ....  ok so back in my Ryujo then