Update 0.8.0.3

[Hexxas]

Tbh Nerfing CV all the time just becosue of DD cant handle being spotted and attack well thats just  lame ,
DD players need to learn to change tactics in stead yelling for nerf hamemrs on CV all the time ,  im geting tired of
this "Hammer the CV " even going on , learn to adapt DD player @Kedo did and doing fine , just you other DD players that
dont want to Adapt to the change and call for nerfing all the time on the CV honestly  same on you !

 

[von_whirpool]

Maybe the issue here is that usually people try to fine tune when correcting an issue.

 

In this case WG may have opted just to set the 4 seconds for the rockets pre-shoting and then the 4 second span for actually aiming and firing (that's for my Shokaku rocket squadron) or they may have decided to go with the decrease in the spotting range for those planes.

 

But they have done both, really decreasing the value of CVs.

 

I just had a game that I started spoting and ran into a Neptune. I just found myself inside the Neptune's AA bubble, all of the sudden.

 

That not very fair for CVs, at least give the CV player some wiggle room to opt not to go close to a ship and not be inside someone's AA.

[KHS01]

1 hour ago, MrConway said:

 

This nerf should bring the Midway  in line with the Hakuryu in regards to its damage potential, which was significantly higher due to the number of torpedoes in a drop.

 

 

In this case why you didn't buff Hakuryu, prefered nerf Midway? CVs were already very weak after rework. 

[Toxoplasmosi]

11 minuti fa, Hexxas ha scritto:

Tbh Nerfing CV all the time just becosue of DD cant handle being spotted and attack well thats just  lame ,
DD players need to learn to change tactics in stead yelling for nerf hamemrs on CV all the time ,  im geting tired of
this "Hammer the CV " even going on , learn to adapt DD player @Kedo did and doing fine , just you other DD players that
dont want to Adapt to the change and call for nerfing all the time on the CV honestly  same on you ! 

 

Exactly! I know how to defend my DD from a CV, that is why I told you before, CV now is not the most big problem. A too weak CV is not fun to fight (I do not have a CV).

[hgbn_dk]

Frustrated beyond words having to kill any ship through death by 1000 paper cuts, losing most aircrafts when the first attack is done and you're trying hard to dodge AA to either regroup for a another attack, or just simply want to recover rest of the squadron.

 

Where is the fun in this? Certainly going to attract a lot of new CV players....... Oh wait....

[Hicks__D]

To do this crap that they did with the CV better not to do anything, and as I see that there are people who did not like the CV as they were before this terrible change and these new changes worse.

I propose, that all CVs be removed, and that we can play battles ONLY CV against CV without other ships, but with the CV as they were before these last two patches.

As is now the game with CV, it is a crap.

[Hexxas]

Nahh they just need to remove that hard nerf they put on the cv in the last 3 patches ,
its fine if they balanced it abit but thease nerf that hit us is went way to fare, they need to set that
right , right now and DD players should learn to Adapt , we where forced to do that with the Cv-Rework and
becouse we where forced to do that we got better to control 1 squardron and dd was no longer king of hill
or top dogs and so they started to whine and got theire way , i only have respect for a few dd players and both on them
have adapted to the change its @Kedo and @Toxoplasmosi atleast a few dd players adapt to the changes with out yelling

for the nerfing , but most of the DD base yelling for nerf of cv and tbh its only becouse they do not have the skills to adapt.
Sad but true !

 

[KHS01]

CVs must be the most powerfull ships in the game like real life. I know this is a game but games can be like real life too. It is better for the game and players. Realism is good for the games. Can be something like simulations.

 

A DD or a BB even CA can sink 7-8 ships giving by huge damages but CVs can not. Why? What is the crime of CVs? This is just funny! For example, Shimakaze has unlimited torpedos by 20967 dmg. Midway has limited planes by 4233 dmg. Sorry, this is just funny.

[Hexxas]

Just now, KHS01 said:

CVs must be the most powerfull ships in the game like real life. I know this is a game but games can be like real life too. It is better for the game and players. Realism is good for the games. Can be something like simulations.

 

A DD or a BB even CA can sink 7-8 ships giving by huge damages but CVs can not. Why? What is the crime of CVs? This is just funny! Shimakaze has unlimit torpedos by 20967 dmg. Midway has limited planes by 4233 dmg. Sorry, this is just funny.

yeah , dont forget the Shimakaze can sent Stealth torpedo out up 20 km way from the target and alot of them , and they cry about Cv being to power full ,  the funny thing is our 2nd guns dont reach out to 8km so most dd  can stealth fire torps at the cv with out we notice it and we are too power full for them , oh man that just so funny

[SirAmra]

25 minutes ago, Hexxas said:

THey should swing the nerf hammer on dd stealth firing torpedos then , if you welcome the nerfing of cv, you would mind getting detected when firing your torpedos will you ? basicaly same thing we loose our abilities to harm dd then DDs need to get deteced when firing torps or its unfair and giving dd way too much power vs other ships

if you do mind that then you are one of thouse players that talked about earlyr in the post that yelling for nerfing becouse they are not the top dogs anymore !

 

 

So firing outside your detectionrange has something to do with planes having sixth sense and can do as they want with the DDs?

The CVs and their gameplay were more balanced before this change. I say more....not completely. But in the past u have fighters to cover u as u contested cap....now u have a useless bot fighter anomoly to "help" if the CV player launch it.

U as a CV player can fly from cap to cap without worrying about anything than the DD flak.....then u do your attack, press F and instantly launch another flight that can go into the same cap without worrying about enemy CV fighters.

U even have sixth sense to help u.

Rinse and repeat.

U mention radar should get rebalanced, sure. But radar I can counter easilly in my DD. I spot them way before they see me. I can therefore run. I can't outrun your planes. I can't get to safety from your planes.

I can't even get help from our own CV cause as mentioned, they have no fighters.

There is a reason the DDs in higher tiers are dwindling and we now even have DD free games.

But stealthfiring torps is the problem.....yeah. U can counter torps too....it's called WASD, eyes and some common sense.

For me personally, I'm just waiting for the hype to settle and enough players find out how utterly boring this new CV gameplay is.

Didn't call for nerf to CVs other than limit their numbers, never cried for nerfing of DDs, radar or anything.

But I will not complain if this makes CVs a even rarer entity than in the past.

 

 

[Hicks__D]

1 minute ago, KHS01 said:

CVs must be the most powerfull ships in the game like real life. I know this is a game but games can be like real life too. It is better for the game and players. Realism is good for the games. Can be something like simulations.

 

A DD or a BB even CA can sink 7-8 ships giving by huge damages but CVs can not. Why? What is the crime of CVs? This is just funny! For example, Shimakaze has unlimited torpedos by 20967 dmg. Midway has limited planes by 4233 dmg. Sorry, this is just funny. 

Yes sir, a good comment, THANK YOU.

I like I can not speak in Spanish, my dear language, because I have to use the English that I do not like, to say that what they did with the CV, is a real GARBAGE.
And now they make it worse, if they want us not to touch them, and save us wasting time.
That put a game mode only CV without other boats, and let us have fun, but not the Klingon DD cries and everyone to change the CV that nobody recognizes already, this way of using the CV is garbage.

[Hexxas]

11 minutes ago, SirAmra said:

So firing outside your detectionrange has something to do with planes having sixth sense and can do as they want with the DDs?

The CVs and their gameplay were more balanced before this change. I say more....not completely. But in the past u have fighters to cover u as u contested cap....now u have a useless bot fighter anomoly to "help" if the CV player launch it.

U as a CV player can fly from cap to cap without worrying about anything than the DD flak.....then u do your attack, press F and instantly launch another flight that can go into the same cap without worrying about enemy CV fighters.

U even have sixth sense to help u.

Rinse and repeat.

U mention radar should get rebalanced, sure. But radar I can counter easilly in my DD. I spot them way before they see me. I can therefore run. I can't outrun your planes. I can't get to safety from your planes.

I can't even get help from our own CV cause as mentioned, they have no fighters.

There is a reason the DDs in higher tiers are dwindling and we now even have DD free games.

But stealthfiring torps is the problem.....yeah. U can counter torps too....it's called WASD, eyes and some common sense.

For me personally, I'm just waiting for the hype to settle and enough players find out how utterly boring this new CV gameplay is.

Didn't call for nerf to CVs other than limit their numbers, never cried for nerfing of DDs, radar or anything.

But I will not complain if this makes CVs a even rarer entity than in the past.

 

 

wrong i spent nearly all my fighters protecting the dd thats caping the zone , but what this nerfing have done to me from today , is ill focus on my own game playing instead helping DD , you yelled for a nerf and got it , now you can handle you self with out my bot fighters helping out thats what DD captains that yelling for nerf get out of this . sorry but thats how it gonna be. you try counter that with CW with world longest turning time  your WASd key wont help on the stealth torpedoing , and wargaming actualy made it imposible to do the WSAD key movement unless you drop your planes , so you want to give it another shot Siramra

[SirAmra]

7 minutes ago, KHS01 said:

CVs must be the most powerfull ships in the game like real life. I know this is a game but games can be like real life too. It is better for the game and players. Realism is good for the games. Can be something like simulations.

 

A DD or a BB even CA can sink 7-8 ships giving by huge damages but CVs can not. Why? What is the crime of CVs? This is just funny! For example, Shimakaze has unlimited torpedos by 20967 dmg. Midway has limited planes by 4233 dmg. Sorry, this is just funny.

I played in the untouched CV era. U got utterly annilihated by them. They did whatever they wanted to u. They wreacked havok. CVs in the game were always top on xp and damage.

Where is the fun in that for the other classes? This game isn't about realism, it's about balance. Every class has it's role.

It was the community combined in closed beta that argued for a CV limit and rebalancing of the class.

[SirAmra]

2 minutes ago, Hexxas said:

wrong i spent nearly all my fighters protecting the dd thats caping the zone , but what this nerfing have done to me from today , is ill focus on my own game playing instead helping DD , you yelled for a nerf and got it , now you can handle you self with out my bot fighters helping out thats what DD captains that yelling for nerf get out of this . sorry but thats how it gonna be.

I'm not talking about what u did. Most players aren't u.

But u with your fighters now, can't do anything with enemy planes now can u?

Exept that bot fighter thingy....

I didn't yell for anything. And I haven't got help from any CVs since the new mode.

But in short: U will now do as everyone else who plays CV does these days.

[Hexxas]

8 minutes ago, SirAmra said:

I'm not talking about what u did. Most players aren't u.

But u with your fighters now, can't do anything with enemy planes now can u?

Exept that bot fighter thingy....

I didn't yell for anything. And I haven't got help from any CVs since the new mode.

But in short: U will now do as everyone else who plays CV does these days.

and that you can thank wargaming developers and the nerf calling dd players that , they just made sure i will not support DD anymore and i call for other CV players to use the same tactics , mabee that will open op the eyes for dd players that call for nerf are not allways the best thing to do !
i was in the close beta before the game launched and i can see you are supertester / alphatester , then you should know that new player dont allways know what  to do and if you havent recived help for a cv after rework then it might be a new cv captain playing or mabee he havent learn to use the minimap to see where help is needed .

but in short all this nerfing of cv , just make me focus on my own , thats what nerf calling will do , and when people that help out alot get hammered like this then i see no reason not change my ways !

[RBay]

@ArkRoyal_R09  <-- what this man said. 

[SirAmra]

13 minutes ago, Hexxas said:

and that you can thank wargaming developers and the nerf calling dd players , they just made sure i will not support DD anymore and i call for other CV players to use the same tactics , mabee that will open op the eyes for dd players that call for nerf are not allways the best thing to do !

WG is franticly trying to solve their own fubar by overdoing stuff as they always do....hence me not crying for nerfs to classes, cause they usually overdo stuff.

They should have fixed the buggy UI as the community wanted and kept the CVs as they were. I had no problems with the old CVs and how it was. U had a CV limit of 1 pr side from tier 8 and up and u couldn't do a CV div.

Fine.

CVs covered DDs going for cap.

Fine

CV spotted and assisted

Fine.

Sure, u had the odd game were CVs shatt on u or the CV on 1 team was helpless against the other one cause of skill.

If anything, I'd like it to go back to the old style.

But regarding these patches, as a non CV player. I had the issue with the AA being to RNG based. I have no problem with the CV getting through my flak.

I however find it odd that one game I delete every plane and the next game I do nothing to them.

[DreadArchangel]

1 hour ago, Kuritaclan said:

I don't say that what we have now, is any good! Calm down. Also yes CVs are the prey for DDs too. But as once the fighters were in the way to approach the DD from a CV the "team" still should be in the way of the DD to approach the CV. However with the changed game play people are glued together to have their AA combined against the ever nerved CV Alpha-Damage/Flood- and FireChance so there are new paths opening for DDs to sneak up. That's how the meta and game play adepts. I don't say it is going in the right direction. But i say let us have a chat to sort those things out, like i suggested some posts before to MrConway.

When have you ever known  a team to support a carrier against a dd, dd's have been made so powerful that most surface ships run from not try to stop them.

[Hexxas]

15 minutes ago, SirAmra said:

WG is franticly trying to solve their own fubar by overdoing stuff as they always do....hence me not crying for nerfs to classes, cause they usually overdo stuff.

They should have fixed the buggy UI as the community wanted and kept the CVs as they were. I had no problems with the old CVs and how it was. U had a CV limit of 1 pr side from tier 8 and up and u couldn't do a CV div.

Fine.

CVs covered DDs going for cap.

Fine

CV spotted and assisted

Fine.

Sure, u had the odd game were CVs shatt on u or the CV on 1 team was helpless against the other one cause of skill.

If anything, I'd like it to go back to the old style.

But regarding these patches, as a non CV player. I had the issue with the AA being to RNG based. I have no problem with the CV getting through my flak.

I however find it odd that one game I delete every plane and the new game I do nothing to them.

well your are Alpha tester Tell Wargaming they do the wrong thing , ill support you in some of your points , but as of today i have stop with my using my fightes to support dds , thease nerfs is making me think like this , reason: DD player getting theire way on the nerfing , now they can suffer on the cap zones , no more help from the cv player until DD respecting CV players , some of us have worked our butts off to get this 1 squadron concept to work for us and we got skilled at it and that get Destroyed by DD yelling nerf cv.. well i see no respect in that tbh , REMEMBER CV PLAYERS  was forced to adapt to the play style and we got good at it and now dd crying about being spotted and attack by us , thats even more funny becouse we adapted and dd player wont .... really.... that just so sad !

[Kuritaclan]

8 minutes ago, DreadArchangel said:

When have you ever known  a team to support a carrier against a dd, dd's have been made so powerful that most surface ships run from not try to stop them.

yeah i know you need to have some radar/sonar, or maybe balls to go up against DDs today. ;)

 

[SirAmra]

6 minutes ago, Hexxas said:

well your are Alpha tester Tell Wargaming they do the wrong thing , ill support you in some of your points , but as of today i have stop with my using my fightes to support dds , thease nerfs is making me think like this , reason: DD player getting theire way on the nerfing , now they can suffer on the cap zones , no more help from the cv player until DD respecting CV players , some of us have worked our butts off to get this 1 squadron concept to work for us and we got skilled at it and that get Destroyed by DD yelling nerf cv.. well i see no respect in that tbh , REMEMBER CV was forced to adapt to the play style and we got good at it and now dd crying about being spotted and attack by us , thats even more funny becouse we adapted and dd player wont .... really.... that just so sad !

They didn't listen to much to their own supertesters, CCs, or so much at the guys being in the CV testing.

Cause alot of these problems they had/have, they were warned about.

For me, it was simple. Stay off DDs in high tiers until the CV fanfare had past and then play them again. For me it was just waiting.

I didn't support the change, simply cause I didn't like how it looked or played out. But WG was hard set on doing it.

And most players found it boring pretty quickly. After day 2 the CV numbers went down drasticly....then they "fixed" them and numbers went up...they then went down....then they did another "fix"....and up they went again.

This whole CV fanfare would have past 3 weeks ago. 

So for me it's just being patient....as a non CV player.

[Hexxas]

10 minutes ago, SirAmra said:

They didn't listen to much to their own supertesters, CCs, or so much at the guys being in the CV testing.

Cause alot of these problems they had/have, they were warned about.

For me, it was simple. Stay off DDs in high tiers until the CV fanfare had past and then play them again. For me it was just waiting.

I didn't support the change, simply cause I didn't like how it looked or played out. But WG was hard set on doing it.

And most players found it boring pretty quickly. After day 2 the CV numbers went down drasticly....then they "fixed" them and numbers went up...they then went down....then they did another "fix"....and up they went again.

This whole CV fanfare would have past 3 weeks ago. 

So for me it's just being patient....as a non CV player.

Tbh i did hard work Adapting to the cv-work concept and dont get  me wrong here i like the new concept , but thease nerf on nerf for the CV aint doing the CV-rework anny good at all and DD player just keep calling for nerf against the CV just becouse they cant Adapt to it thats wrong , we where forced to change play style and we got good at , now they slam nerf on us becouse DD players dont want to change their playing style , thats really sad , mabee Wargaming should Force a playing style down the throat on dd players like they did on the cv players

like letting DD get detected like 8 sec after they fire torpedos , now that is a concept i like to see and see how many dd players that would like that.

 

[KHS01]

Just made this match and no need comment! 

 

[Hexxas]

4 minutes ago, KHS01 said:

Just made this match and no need comment! 

 

Sad part is Wargaming do nothing to nerf DD they have imba stealth they can slap bb , ca , CV and DD around , its just skill set that makes a good dd , but the way wargaming see it DD complains we better nerf the CV even thou with the stealth the dd has its one the most power war ship in the game if use the right way , but most dont and they get their butt kicked for making mistakes and then they complain about the cv and cv get nerfed .. DD players instead for call for nerf what abut trying to Adapt to the game like we did as CV , you as dd have change to adapt right now with out getting forced to adapt but instead of that you call for nerfing the h..l out cvs , thats unfair , i think its time Wargaming overhaul the game , meaning every thing even BBs or this game is gonna be dead very soon !

[Peffers]

It would appear that CVs are dead.

 

At least DD players will go back to DDs rather than Noob'ing around in BBs.