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Or in this case Lemming Train, Blob, Die, Repeat.

This is all i see now in Random games. 

Are we now at a point where Random Games need to be removed from the game due to lack of fun, tactics, toxicity (homophobic, racist, sexist, etc remarks)?

Or is there a much simpler solution?

At this moment in time i honestly see no future for this game unless there are some radical changes made.

 

1. Profanity filter - I have spoken with WG many times on this subject. Personally i really dont give a hoot what people say in chat as most of the time its just a little brutal banter and perfectly acceptable in an 18+ game. 

However WG have always stated rather than put in a profanity filter they will just keep it as it is. Why? Surely it would be much simpler to put in a filter and let "Adults" speak as they wish. 

Also if you need a "safe space" every time someone calls you an idiot or moron for doing something idiotic or moronic then you really shouldn't be on the internet or indeed anywhere else except said "safe space".

 

2. Shorten the game time from 20 to 12 minutes - Currently i feel 20 minutes is way too long for a game now in most cases due to blobby apathy.

 

3. Bot Scripts etc - Have a set of random numbers appear during the game in which you have to type them in on your keyboard within 15 seconds to continue (Will never happen as being a cynic i 99% believe WG populate "Random Games" with bots without our knowledge to pad them out. When you see some of the manoeuvres players do its very easy to believe).

Just to add to this if you do not believe WG possess such technology to fool us all. Ask yourself this. How many times has your team been "tore a new one" in an Operation? How many times have you asked someone "where are you going or what are you doing" and received no reply?

 

4. Change the Cap Rules - Very simple. When one team gets all 3 caps or 3 out of 4 in 4 cap games they win. Whether that's after 1 minute, 5 minutes or whatever.  This forces everyone to focus on the actual objectives of the game. No point in camping or blobbing if you are going to lose very quickly. 

Change the ticker also. If you have more caps than your opponents then when you gain +4 etc they also lose that amount.

I would also add in a few things like if you lose all the caps within 5 minutes you get 0 XP, 0 Credits, achievements etc etc. So that game was for Nothing.

 

5. Let Clans play as Clans - One thing that i can and never will get my head around. You join a clan because you want to play and socialise online with those particular people. The whole point of a clan is to be able to play with all of them in all the modes of a game but no. WG in their ultimate (Read: No) wisdom have decided that limiting the clan involvement to 3 players in a Random Game is the best way to do it. Yes i know there are other modes but i want the chance to play with my clan in all modes and with the maximum amount of players. You get more awesome in game banter with 12 than 3. 

If WG are so "clued" up that they know it wont work then at least trial it for a few weeks and prove to us that it does not work. Im willing to bet a perma ban that it will.

 

I will leave it here as any longer and even i will switch off. 

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All i ask though if you are going to criticise me or the point i have made to be more accurate then please add in your own suggestions as i think the one thing most can agree on just now is that Random Games are just complete S%^t at the moment.

 

 

 

 

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No profanity filter has ever worked. People who want to be douchecanoes simply come up with ways to bypass the filter.

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8 minutes ago, Aotearas said:

No profanity filter has ever worked. People who want to be douchecanoes simply come up with ways to bypass the filter.

Yes of course but at least then you can hammer those £$%^&*£$ for bypassing it. The ones who are just venting in a particular game wont get punished. See where im coming from on that one?

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Just now, MistaBoo said:

Yes of course but at least then you can hammer those £$%^&*£$ for bypassing it. The ones who are just venting in a particular game wont get punished. See where im coming from on that one?

That would require manual observation and moderation of chatlogs however, as the purpose of bypassing the filter is to avoid getting flagged by an automated system. As such you'd have to manually file a complaint about someone having bypassed the filter to get someone to look at it. Where would be the difference to what we have now where you can open a ticket with WG support if you encounter something particularily nasty?

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1. Filters are more effort than effect. Pointless

 

2. The game is too slow-paced for that. Lots and lots of battles last for 12...16min with something to do all the way through it

 

3. Bots show more intellect than most potatoes. With bots those matches would have gotten better, instead of what we have

 

4. If you control 3 caps at the same time and still lose, there has been a massive throw. And at that point you really deserve to lose

 

5. 3x player divs already have massive impact on the outcome of the battle, going above that would be insane.

Go play Clan Battles, Operations and Training Rooms if you want more of your clanmates in that match

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21 minutes ago, MistaBoo said:

5. Let Clans play as Clans - One thing that i can and never will get my head around. You join a clan because you want to play and socialise online with those particular people. The whole point of a clan is to be able to play with all of them in all the modes of a game but no. WG in their ultimate (Read: No) wisdom have decided that limiting the clan involvement to 3 players in a Random Game is the best way to do it. Yes i know there are other modes but i want the chance to play with my clan in all modes and with the maximum amount of players. You get more awesome in game banter with 12 than 3. 

If WG are so "clued" up that they know it wont work then at least trial it for a few weeks and prove to us that it does not work. Im willing to bet a perma ban that it will.

wut?  (this is a criticism).

 

And you want me to expand on this and add in my suggestions?  Ok.  Here goes!  My suggestion: Don't do this.  Further expansion: Really, really, do. not. do. this.  You claim they have no wisdom but you want to have unlimtied clan members playing together in randoms.  It is pretty much the worst suggestion I have ever read.

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All righty then, my humble take on these @MistaBoo

 

1) No working profanity filter has been invented yet. If ever anyone does, I'm all for it but frankly I do not see WG investing massive resources into developing one. Just use the reporting feature to get the protagonist(s) chat banned for the time being. :etc_swear::Smile_Default:

 

2) Nope, that would be way too short a time to accomplish anything except rushing the cap in a do-or-die bot slogging match. We already have Coops for this kind of thing.:Smile_amazed:

 

3) It would just cause delays and extra queuing time for no apparent benefit and the idiot players that you are mistaking for bots would still get in.:cap_popcorn:

 

4) Nopes, this would just ensure that your team would never be able to recover and turn the game around by playing well, hence again only making the games a boring rush to cap without any semblance of skill or tactics.:Smile_sad:

 

5) Again nopes, even 2 player divisions can decidedly influence the outcome, as it is and 3 player divisions are definitely the upper limit. This is necessary in fairness to the opposition, which might not have any divisions at all. Having all players from one clan in one team and the other only a collection of random individuals would only result in a one-sided massacre that would be no fun for anybody. Unless of course the clan is looking to statpad themselves at the expense of others. BESIDES, WE ALREADY HAVE CLAN BATTLES FOR THAT.:Smile_bajan2:

 

 

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15 minutes ago, MistaBoo said:

1. Profanity filter - I have spoken with WG many times on this subject. Personally i really dont give a hoot what people say in chat as most of the time its just a little brutal banter and perfectly acceptable in an 18+ game. 

However WG have always stated rather than put in a profanity filter they will just keep it as it is. Why? Surely it would be much simpler to put in a filter and let "Adults" speak as they wish. 

Also if you need a "safe space" every time someone calls you an idiot or moron for doing something idiotic or moronic then you really shouldn't be on the internet or indeed anywhere else except said "safe space".

So.... you don't see any issue with the status quo. WG sees no issue with the status quo. Why bring it up?

17 minutes ago, MistaBoo said:

2. Shorten the game time from 20 to 12 minutes - Currently i feel 20 minutes is way too long for a game now in most cases due to blobby apathy.

It's not. With 12 minutes you can barely get anything done unless you just yolo and die.

18 minutes ago, MistaBoo said:

3. Bot Scripts etc - Have a set of random numbers appear during the game in which you have to type them in on your keyboard within 15 seconds to continue (Will never happen as being a cynic i 99% believe WG populate "Random Games" with bots without our knowledge to pad them out. When you see some of the manoeuvres players do its very easy to believe).

Just to add to this if you do not believe WG possess such technology to fool us all. Ask yourself this. How many times has your team been "tore a new one" in an Operation? How many times have you asked someone "where are you going or what are you doing" and received no reply?

I think this is the silliest of your points. Sorry, but I got no time to press random keys inmidst of battle all the time. Just accept that most players are terrible and that basically noone is here to play this as some sort of press random keys the game tells you to press.

22 minutes ago, MistaBoo said:

4. Change the Cap Rules - Very simple. When one team gets all 3 caps or 3 out of 4 in 4 cap games they win. Whether that's after 1 minute, 5 minutes or whatever.  This forces everyone to focus on the actual objectives of the game. No point in camping or blobbing if you are going to lose very quickly. 

Change the ticker also. If you have more caps than your opponents then when you gain +4 etc they also lose that amount.

I would also add in a few things like if you lose all the caps within 5 minutes you get 0 XP, 0 Credits, achievements etc etc. So that game was for Nothing.

If you get 3/3 or 3/4 and still not win, then the enemy must have done something right and played to some objective. There's more ways to win than capping and throwing your ships away to get caps you can't then defend is just as stupid as neglecting them.

23 minutes ago, MistaBoo said:

5. Let Clans play as Clans - One thing that i can and never will get my head around. You join a clan because you want to play and socialise online with those particular people. The whole point of a clan is to be able to play with all of them in all the modes of a game but no. WG in their ultimate (Read: No) wisdom have decided that limiting the clan involvement to 3 players in a Random Game is the best way to do it. Yes i know there are other modes but i want the chance to play with my clan in all modes and with the maximum amount of players. You get more awesome in game banter with 12 than 3. 

If WG are so "clued" up that they know it wont work then at least trial it for a few weeks and prove to us that it does not work. Im willing to bet a perma ban that it will.

Randoms are called Random, cause you play with random people. You can play in a div of 3 already. If you rather want to just play as clan, there's CB.

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Whats the point of a profanity filter? If you let some swearing get to you, then the internet really isnt a place for you.

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19 minutes ago, ilhilh said:

wut?  (this is a criticism).

 

And you want me to expand on this and add in my suggestions?  Ok.  Here goes!  My suggestion: Don't do this.  Further expansion: Really, really, do. not. do. this.  You claim they have no wisdom but you want to have unlimtied clan members playing together in randoms.  It is pretty much the worst suggestion I have ever read.

Why? Saying that it is the worst suggestion ever means nothing as it has never been tested so how can you possibly know it would be bad?

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19 minutes ago, RAHJAILARI said:

All righty then, my humble take on these then @MistaBoo

 

1) No working profanity filter has been invented yet. If ever anyone does, I'm all for it but frankly I do not see WG investing massive resources into developing one. Just use the reporting feature to get the protagonist(s) chat banned for the time being. :etc_swear::Smile_Default:

 

2) Nope, that would be way too short a time to accomplish anything except rushing the cap in a do-or-die bot slogging match. We already have Coos for this kind of thing.:Smile_amazed:

 

3) It would just cause delays and extra queuing time for no apparent benefit and the idiot players that you are mistaking for bots would still get in.:cap_popcorn:

 

4) Nopes, this would just ensure that your team could never be able to recover and turn the game around by playing well, hence again only making the games a boring rush to cap without any semblance of skill or tactics.:Smile_sad:

 

5) Again nopes, even 2 player divisions can decidedly influence the outcome, as it is and 3 player divisions are definitely the upper limit. This is necessary in fariness to the opposition, which might not have any divisions at all. Havin all players from one clan in one team and the other only a collection of random individuals would only result in a one-sided massacre that would be no fun for anybody. Unless of course the clans looking to statpad themselves at the expense of others. BESIDES, WE ALREADY HAVE CLAN BATTLES FOR THAT.:Smile_bajan2:

 

 

3. No it wouldn't as it would take place at random times in game. Not before. 

4. There is no attempt at recovery just now anyway. Hence the Lemming Train, Blobby, die. 90% of games just now one team does that. So you might as well test a few things.

5. Again..Never been tested so we cannot possibly know the outcome. Also at most times its not going to be complete teams of clans. So again..Why not test it? What are you afraid of?

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6 minutes ago, MistaBoo said:

Why? Saying that it is the worst suggestion ever means nothing as it has never been tested so how can you possibly know it would be bad?

 

In the same manner we knew there was no cheating involved on your republique "issue" thread. We knew it was a non issue, even without you providing the automatically recorded replay for evidence of your claims.

 

Since you are the one posting this, IT WILL BE BAD.

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40 minutes ago, MistaBoo said:

Random Games are just complete S%^t at the moment.

 

There was a major rework just a couple of weeks ago, what was that? Cant recall, maybe that has something to do with how people behave in random battles, and not the stuff you wrote there.

Also toxicity has been up in basicly EVERY game i played (and i didnt play that much after the rework). It starts from minute 1, and never seen anything like it.

WG screwed up by turning the Servers/players into Beta testers / guinea pigs. The effect can be seen by playing random battles :fish_book:

 

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16 minutes ago, thiextar said:

Whats the point of a profanity filter? If you let some swearing get to you, then the internet really isnt a place for you.

The point being really is i find it hilarious sometimes and it can make a really bad game quite a fun one if someone is going mental in chat. 

I sometimes do an R. Lee Emrey impression in chat but i warn everyone on both sides beforehand. Ive had loads of chat bans but ive also had loads of players messaging me saying its the best laugh they have ever had so its a fine line.

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11 minutes ago, Juanx said:

 

In the same manner we knew there was no cheating involved on your republique "issue" thread. We knew it was a non issue, even without you providing the automatically recorded replay for evidence of your claims.

 

Since you are the one posting this, IT WILL BE BAD.

And cue the forum [edited]. 

Where exactly did i state that anyone had cheated you [edited]?

Show me?

 

No name calling.

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5 minutes ago, MistaBoo said:

Why? Saying that it is the worst suggestion ever means nothing as it has never been tested so how can you possibly know it would be bad?

As many others in this thread have pointed out, even 3 competent players can heavily influence a game... as can 3 incompetent players dragging down their team.  Are you seriously telling me that you would have serious 'lolz' and 'bantz' when you run into a full team of one of the top clans?  Can you imagine just nipping on for 2 quick games on your own and running into a wall of clanned players on comms?  It would be utterly depressing for the majority of players to keep running into these teams.

 

As I said before, even division of 3 can drag their team down - I see it often with divisions of 3 ill matched ships such as 3 torp DDs who then ignore 3 of 4 caps and all same to same one and die early.  Even 6 players making bad ship choices and then bad tactical choices in game will throw a game.

 

Also, you seem to suggest that since it hasn't appeared in the live game that there has been no testing of alternative division sizes.  You seem to assume that they just picked a number with no thought behind it - but is that the case?

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14 hours ago, MistaBoo said:

3. No it wouldn't as it would take place at random times in game. Not before. 

4. There is no attempt at recovery just now anyway. Hence the Lemming Train, Blobby, die. 90% of games just now one team does that. So you might as well test a few things.

5. Again..Never been tested so we cannot possibly know the outcome. Also at most times its not going to be complete teams of clans. So again..Why not test it? What are you afraid of?

3) Uhh-oh. That is an even more horrible idea. So basically all of the sudden, when you are in a middle of being plastered to bits by a Worchester or dodging incoming torps the game would just drop off and ask you to start typing in Captchas? :Smile_facepalm:

4) Your claim is obviously quite baseless. I have been in many games myself, where our team was initially losing the game at the start but then either by luck or skill managed to turn things around. This kinda thing would only perpetuate sheer idiocy and kill the game.:Smile_sceptic:

5) Also nuclear missiles are untested in this game. Besides there are already dozens or more whining threads in this here forum about 2 or 3 men divisions being OP. Therefore it is quite clear this would never work, hence there is no need to test it any further, as the idea is quite stillborn, as is. The game mode is called "Random" for a good reason and that is specifically intended to give random individual players a fair chance to play against each other. Again Clan battles are the intended playground for clans, stick with them, if you like and that will bother no-one. :Smile_izmena:

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19 minutes ago, MistaBoo said:

Why? Saying that it is the worst suggestion ever means nothing as it has never been tested so how can you possibly know it would be bad?

May i suggest a global thermonuclear war? It has never been tested, so how can you possibly know it would be bad?

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11 minutes ago, RAHJAILARI said:

3) Uhh-oh. That is an even more horrible idea. So basically all of the sudden, when you are in a middle of being plastered to bits by a Worchester or dodging incoming torps the game would just drop off and ask you to start typing in Captchas? :Smile_facepalm:

4) You claim is obviously quite baseless. I have been in many games myself, where our team was initially losing the game at the start but then either by luck or skill managed to turn things around. This kinda thing would only perpetuate sheer idiocy and kill the game.:Smile_sceptic:

5) Also nuclear missiles are untested in this game. Besides there are already dozens or more whining threads in this here forum about 2 or 3 men divisions being OP. Therefore it is quite clear this would never work, hence is no need to test it any further, as the idea is quite stillborn, as is. The game mode is called "Random" for a good reason and that is specifically intended to give random individual players a fair chance to play against each other. Again Clan battles are the intended playground for clans, stick with them, if you like and that will bother no-one. :Smile_izmena:

They didnt have Nuclear Missiles in WW2. :)

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9 minutes ago, MistaBoo said:

They didnt have Nuclear Missiles in WW2. :)

They also did not have most of the tier 9 or 10 ships in it. Yet strangely we have them here, don't we? :cap_hmm:

 

Clan battles is the correct, intended game mode for Clans to play together. If you wish to have the team size in them increased, go ahead and make the suggestion. Randoms are the wrong platform for that. However, I suspect that WG might not be too eager to do that either, because they HAVE tested that and it is sometimes exceedingly difficult to come up with even 2 teams of 7 people (well because it is just fair to do it this way isn't it?), who all have the time and inclination to play any game regularly at the same time, so I think the Clan wars might be in trouble if the team sizes would be substantially increased.:cap_old:

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31 minutes ago, MistaBoo said:

And cue the forum [edited]. 

Where exactly did i state that anyone had cheated you [edited]?

Show me?

 

No name calling.

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1. post up a barely thought out bunch of rubbish

2. Wait for a few objectors 

3. Start insulting people who shoot down his crap. :Smile_sceptic:

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1 hour ago, MistaBoo said:

3. Bot Scripts etc - Have a set of random numbers appear during the game in which you have to type them in on your keyboard within 15 seconds to continue (Will never happen as being a cynic i 99% believe WG populate "Random Games" with bots without our knowledge to pad them out. When you see some of the manoeuvres players do its very easy to believe).

Just to add to this if you do not believe WG possess such technology to fool us all. Ask yourself this. How many times has your team been "tore a new one" in an Operation? How many times have you asked someone "where are you going or what are you doing" and received no reply?

 

Let me get this straight:

 

You think WG is populating matches with their own bots.

 

And said WG now implementing that stupid number check would change anything?! 

 

Have a nice day. :Smile_veryhappy:

 

Btw, I also don't answer to silly questions like that in battle... 

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10 minutes ago, bushwacker001 said:

Usual stuff from OP

1. post up a barely thought out bunch of rubbish

2. Wait for a few objectors 

3. Start insulting people who shoot down his crap. :Smile_sceptic:

I haven't insulted anyone who has made a valid comment on my post. So who didn't think before they posted? 

 

 

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