[SM0KE] Verblonde Players 9,787 posts 20,582 battles Report post #26 Posted February 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Zigiran said: Also, the reason why I was condering to sell the ship was the port slot, not the credits. Still not worth it - one port slot is 150 doubloons (or even, rarely, 75) on special offer. Never sell a premium, full-stop. Quite apart from anything else, there are some circumstances where you might get it again; if that happens, you'll either get doubloons or the full value in silver. This is why most people keep Krispy Kreme, say... Plus, if there is another snowflake event, the coal you'll get from it (or steel, for higher tier ones) is worth a lot more than whatever you'll get for selling it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WG] Crysantos WG Staff 3,754 posts 17,657 battles Report post #27 Posted February 15, 2019 23 hours ago, Verblonde said: I'm aware of all that, of course, but I still would advise a newcomer to be *really* careful before buying a premium: GC is being tested; it may or may not get changed. The precedent is (very sensibly, in my opinion) set by this testing that premium ships *may* be changed; after all, there are several notorious ones that could probably use it, for the overall health of the game (and I think I own all of them, pretty much). As of now, the *only* compensation being talked about is doubloons (or keeping the changed ship, if it happens) - a currency of limited value to a lot of players. *This* is the crucial bit. On the whole, I think most (emphasis on 'most') people would accept the necessity of balancing a few premiums for the good of the game - I'm one of them myself FWIW. The problem is the lack of effective compensation: the situation as of now, if the changes come pass, is that a customer might have spent money (actual money) on a thing that may become a thing they don't want, and what they get afterwards they don't want either (such that, had they known, they wouldn't perhaps have made the purchase in the first place), such that they have effectively just thrown their money away. You must understand why people, in this context, would advise people to avoid buying premiums - it's a matter of confidence. The problem is mainly not that premiums may be nerfed, it's that a potential purchase may be significantly (or entirely) devalued without adequate compensation (doubloons, or the post-nerf versions of the ship, are not 'adequate'). Right now, and until WG make a definitive statement about what *will* happen with this stuff (assuming people believe you in future), a customer's thought process might be along the following lines: I like this ship, it's good, but it costs a lot of money (I could buy Fallout with that...etc.). How much use will I get out of it? Maybe six months and then it *might* get nerfed... I won't get decent compensation... Hmmm, Fallout (or whatever) is looking pretty good. <closes wallet> If WG decide that *if* a premium needs nerfing, then existing customers will be *generously* (but not excessively so) compensated (see suggestions elsewhere; it's not hard for a good customer relations person to design) then the thought process may switch to something more along the following lines: I like this ship, it's good, but it costs a lot of money (I could buy Fallout with that...etc.). How much use will I get out of it? Maybe six months and then it *might* get nerfed... Hold on, if that happens, I'll actually be better off - thinks of WG compensation scheme already in place for GC (say) etc. Yay, win-win; I either get a ship that lasts as long as I play this game, or something even better. <opens wallet> Everyone will have different views on what should/shouldn't get nerfed, but with a proper (and trusted) compensation scheme/methodology in place, the customer has the assurance that their purchase won't be devalued (the reverse, in fact) if they buy it, apart from occasional system changes and/or power creep etc. that, I think, most people understand. With such a scheme in place, it won't *matter* (as much) if your purchase gets nerfed, because you'll get something better instead. As it stands, I can't recommend anyone buys any premium ships at the moment because I wouldn't want to recommend people buy something that might turn out to suck in six months (say), or just decreases in value, with nothing to show for it in return. Intellectually, I'm fairly confident that most premiums will probably be left alone, but I don't *know* that, and all indications so far are that if it did happen, purchasers would be (essentially) SOOL. The whole business with actively selling loot crates when WG must have known this stuff was upcoming (multiple references have been made by WG in the past to the long time-frames involved in making changes to the game) muddy the waters a bit, and further erode trust, but I believe the above is the crux of the issue, and is why I (and others, perhaps) will continue to advise people against buying premiums for the time being (unless they have too much money and/or are only buying them in expectation of a few weeks/months fun)... (BTW if you do introduce a compensation scheme, call it something Marketing like "Honest WG's Splendid Compensation Guarantee", write some blurb about how the customer will always be sorted if they buy a premium, give it a natty logo, and stick the bugger on the bottom of every premium ship's selling page - hey presto, a pain-in-the-glutes thing that you only have to use occasionally actually becomes a positive selling point for every premium in the shop.) I understand your point of view - I just wanted to highlight the context of this change and the exceptional status of it. Thank you for your very constructive feedback and suggestion! 52 minutes ago, Verblonde said: Still not worth it - one port slot is 150 doubloons (or even, rarely, 75) on special offer. Never sell a premium, full-stop. Quite apart from anything else, there are some circumstances where you might get it again; if that happens, you'll either get doubloons or the full value in silver. This is why most people keep Krispy Kreme, say... Plus, if there is another snowflake event, the coal you'll get from it (or steel, for higher tier ones) is worth a lot more than whatever you'll get for selling it. Agreed - we also might buff certain ships (see for example the latest list of buffs for premium and regular ships). Have a nice weekend, Crysantos 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NLD] Zigiran Players 408 posts 13,341 battles Report post #28 Posted February 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Verblonde said: Still not worth it - one port slot is 150 doubloons (or even, rarely, 75) on special offer. Never sell a premium, full-stop. Quite apart from anything else, there are some circumstances where you might get it again; if that happens, you'll either get doubloons or the full value in silver. This is why most people keep Krispy Kreme, say... Plus, if there is another snowflake event, the coal you'll get from it (or steel, for higher tier ones) is worth a lot more than whatever you'll get for selling it. I already decided to keep my Charleston for that reason. Which makes me wonder: should I spent my coal on cheap ships, like the Campeltown, Yubari and Aigle? So I get better chances for high tier ships when opening crates. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SM0KE] Verblonde Players 9,787 posts 20,582 battles Report post #29 Posted February 15, 2019 29 minutes ago, Zigiran said: Which makes me wonder: should I spent my coal on cheap ships, like the Campeltown, Yubari and Aigle? So I get better chances for high tier ships when opening crates. The answer to that will vary rather from person to person, and where they are in their development, plus (of course) the sorts of ships they like to play. Coal is quite a valuable resource, and takes a lot longer to acquire than silver or free xp (generally); you also have quite a lot of useful things to do with it too, pulling your resources in different directions. For example, quite a few of the ships I have benefit a lot from the magic hydro or radar upgrades, so quite a bit of my coal has been spent on them (and probably generated more silver/xp than a new premium would have). I have all three of the ships you mention: Campbeltown: is good fun, but only T3, so not much use for credit/xp grinding or doing missions. She's also only 6.77 UKP in the shop (full price), so maybe use real money when there is a sale. Yubari: I like her, but many people seem to be less keen (I use a 19 point DD captain on mine which helps a lot); she's also useless for most missions. Aigle: can be useful for missions/Ops, but is a DD in the new CV-heavy meta, and not the easiest to play. Also requires a specific captain. Plus, almost 50K coal (without coupon) is a *lot* of coal. So, to answer your specific question, I would probably avoid the first two due to their lack of use in missions/Ops, or maybe buy them on sale for real money/doubloons, and I feel there are better things to do with your coal than Aigle (for a start, you're more than 20% of the way to a Jean Bart, or Salem, say - before coupon). If you think any of them would be glorious fun for you, of course, go for it (I spent coal on Charleston!)! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-YR-] Alfa_Tau Players 887 posts Report post #30 Posted February 18, 2019 On 2/15/2019 at 5:27 PM, Crysantos said: I understand your point of view - I just wanted to highlight the context of this change and the exceptional status of it. Thank you for your very constructive feedback and suggestion! Agreed - we also might buff certain ships (see for example the latest list of buffs for premium and regular ships). Have a nice weekend, Crysantos Dear Mr Crysantos Although I really appreciate your style of commenting and replying to members of the community, on this issue I am 100 % with Verblonde. It's a simple matter of trust nothing else. I own the GC since it was released. I paid real money for it. You want to change and make it LESS competitive, well I think it would be fair to offer a money refund. please check my account and see how many premium I have in my port. I am a real fan of the game. But if WG will do this move ( and from your words it seems to me they have already made a decision) they will cross a line that I am not going to accept. WG already moved Saipan and Kaga to Tier 8. This 2 ships now are NOT fun at all in the new "CV rework environment" and not because they are not good. simply because now you face T10 ships 3 times out of 4. planes get shredded even before reacing a target!! but I am confident at the end of the rework some more balance will be found. Going back to GC, you are a veteran of this game and a real unicum. Is GC such a scourge at T5? becaus I don't have the same impression. What about Belfast? isn't it more OP? What about NIkolai ?? are you going to nerf all? Really it's not a childish cry. I am too old. But some how I feel betrayed by this policy. For sure from now on I will keep my port as it is. No more premium even if some of the new "coming soon" are very tempting. I will wait. Until WG do not assure me on their intentions. Side note: the Santa Containers were advertized with the possibility to win one of the OP ships removed from the shop. What about those poor "winners" that got it after buying 200 boxes ? one month later they learn this was pointless because GC is going to face tier 8 like Bismarck or tirpiz! that's balanced !! Thanks for your time all the best Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WG] Crysantos WG Staff 3,754 posts 17,657 battles Report post #31 Posted February 20, 2019 On 2/18/2019 at 1:42 AM, Alfa_Tau said: Dear Mr Crysantos Although I really appreciate your style of commenting and replying to members of the community, on this issue I am 100 % with Verblonde. It's a simple matter of trust nothing else. I own the GC since it was released. I paid real money for it. You want to change and make it LESS competitive, well I think it would be fair to offer a money refund. please check my account and see how many premium I have in my port. I am a real fan of the game. But if WG will do this move ( and from your words it seems to me they have already made a decision) they will cross a line that I am not going to accept. WG already moved Saipan and Kaga to Tier 8. This 2 ships now are NOT fun at all in the new "CV rework environment" and not because they are not good. simply because now you face T10 ships 3 times out of 4. planes get shredded even before reacing a target!! but I am confident at the end of the rework some more balance will be found. Going back to GC, you are a veteran of this game and a real unicum. Is GC such a scourge at T5? becaus I don't have the same impression. What about Belfast? isn't it more OP? What about NIkolai ?? are you going to nerf all? Really it's not a childish cry. I am too old. But some how I feel betrayed by this policy. For sure from now on I will keep my port as it is. No more premium even if some of the new "coming soon" are very tempting. I will wait. Until WG do not assure me on their intentions. Side note: the Santa Containers were advertized with the possibility to win one of the OP ships removed from the shop. What about those poor "winners" that got it after buying 200 boxes ? one month later they learn this was pointless because GC is going to face tier 8 like Bismarck or tirpiz! that's balanced !! Thanks for your time all the best Hi Alfa, No worries - I appreciate your feedback and I understand where you are coming from. I personally do think the GC is overperforming compared to other Tier V battleships but in general my job is not to promote my opinion about balance, but to represent the EU community in such matters. I can see where this is hurting your trust and makes you more reluctant to invest money in a game you enjoy and I can assure you that we're passing this along. Right now this decision isn't final yet and we are talking about such potential changes in advance with you, so we can get your input on this before making the final call on this. Thank you and have a nice week! Greetings, Crysantos 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-YR-] Alfa_Tau Players 887 posts Report post #32 Posted February 22, 2019 Dear Crysantos thanks for yout reply. I hope everything will be fairly considered before making a final call. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
