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I've been thinking of buying the Z-39, but I'm unsure thanks to the CV rework, and all the rocket planes roaming about. I have a few questions:

 

1: How well can it handle the rocket plane spam? Does it shoot down any significant  number of planes etc?

2: Do you think that it will get a doubloon discount any time in the near to moderate future? Do you reckon it will rotate out of the tech tree before then?

3: Would you recommend it/do you like it outside of the context of the flood of CVs?

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11 minutes ago, who_dares_wins said:

1: How well can it handle the rocket plane spam? Does it shoot down any significant  number of planes etc?

2: Do you think that it will get a doubloon discount any time in the near to moderate future? Do you reckon it will rotate out of the tech tree before then?

3: Would you recommend it/do you like it outside of the context of the flood of CVs?

 

1.Hard to say as it comes down to the skill of the CV attacking you. Almost all DDs, who are alone will struggle vs CVs. If you have backup, it should be easier to handle CV planes.

2. Dont think anyone can answer that...

3. Yes, its definetely good/strong DD.

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1: questions about AA balance or strength are pretty much pointless right now, what with the repeated drastic changes (which will keep going for a while)...

2: Hard to tell... next significant festive period that would be likely to produce discounts and the like is probably around April 1st and Easter, no idea what exactly will happen though. I wouldn't bet on it.

3: Don't have the ship myself, but looked pretty solid allround if you enjoy playing the Gaede/Z23 with the 150mm guns

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After Haida came out z-93 is pointless IMHO

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39 minutes ago, who_dares_wins said:

I've been thinking of buying the Z-39, but I'm unsure thanks to the CV rework, and all the rocket planes roaming about. I have a few questions:

 

1: How well can it handle the rocket plane spam? Does it shoot down any significant  number of planes etc?

2: Do you think that it will get a doubloon discount any time in the near to moderate future? Do you reckon it will rotate out of the tech tree before then?

3: Would you recommend it/do you like it outside of the context of the flood of CVs?

1. I have to admit that mine's been in port since the rework launched - it didn't have excellent AA before, so I've left it alone for the moment. So far, the only premium DDs that 'thrive'* in the current environment are those which you can load enough AA onto to defend a modest city.

2. Absolutely no idea, although it's still fairly new though, if that means anything (older/poorer premiums are perhaps more ripe for discounting?).

3. Absolutely. Prior to the rework, she was excellent - I thought her approximately on a par with T-61 tier for tier, although the latter sees rather less radar which makes life easier. The smoke/German hydro combination is always good - put a hydro mod on her too, if you have the coal, for extra duration. Not the sneakiest DD, but reasonably robust, and a good all-rounder. Shame about the CV rework, really...

 

Thing is, the CV rework is nowhere near complete yet, so we don't know where the whole meta is going to end up apropos DDs; given how many people play DDs, I'd be very surprised if WG are keen to leave the class for too long with the vast majority of their higher tier number largely unplayable.

 

My feeling is that it is wise to hold off on buying any premiums at the moment; beside the whole (still unresolved) business with GC, the WiP state of the CV rework means one really has no idea how good - or otherwise - any premium ship is going to be even in the medium term.

 

*Using the term very loosely...

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on 3.:

wanted the t61, which i got and just got the z39 coz of discount.... ended up wondering what's so op 'bout t61 and why no one screams op on z39 :Smile_great::Smile_veryhappy:....

imho it's slightly better than t61 on its tier, while being borderline op. combo of firepower, range, concealment and hydro just... mjam :).

comparable to t7 german sec build and t8 sec build i think. on t7 it can be fun and useful once in a while, but not cuts the edge like on t8 so to say. same goes for hydrorange, torpreload, concealment and range combo on t61/z39. t9's really not threaten it more, than it does them.

also i'm totally fine on it without expert marksman, not needed to make it work.

 

my advice: get it!... i did not play 1 battle in it yet since 0.8., but played radar YY/z52 :Smile_trollface:.... can't be that much worse experience-wise.

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Outside of the effects of CV's as that is still all very much subject to change, I find the Z-39 very strong. Maybe it just suits my play style but I'm currently sitting at these stats:

 

Granted only small sample size but I absolutely love it :).

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24 minutes ago, MrWastee said:

ended up wondering what's so op 'bout t61 and why no one screams op on z39

 

Psst, dont tell our little secret !! :Smile_veryhappy:

 

But yea, Z-39 is super strong. It has not much problems beeing low tier, it is awesome in DD vs DD fights and the torps are really good.

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Z-39 is a very strong ship. you got 6.1 concealment thanks to the t8 concealment module! a t8 improved hydro, improve smoke. the 150mm guns lack dpm but they can star fires quite well and the ap si dangerous you can citadel some cruisers at close ranges( i citadel a schors from 7km). torpedoes are great:8.5 range is enough, 65 knots and 1.3 detection and 14440 damage make these torps the jack of all trades. Z-39 has a gigantic HP pool, you can reach about 22k hp, in a t7 dd, even some t10 dds have lower hp than you.

My advice: it is a good cap contender thanks to the improved hydro( 3.5 detection for torpedoes and 5km for ships). great torpedoes with a short reload, they posses a real treat even to some cruisers.

However z-39 is not really good in knife fights, avoid fighting head on, you lack the DPM for that. 

It is a great destroyer, hard to play but a great one.

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Initially Z-39 was planned as T8, as is its sister-ship Z-23. Therefore the T8-toys (module-slot, hydro etc). But the lack of a gun turned out to be tuff to balance, so they lowered the ship into T7 - while leaving the T8-module etc on it. So it the weak T8 turned into a strong T7.

 

To the initial question: buy it!

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9 hours ago, Yedwy said:

After Haida came out z-93 is pointless IMHO

Unless you want to have a way to speed up training of a German captain.

 

At the moment with the CV  rework and tweeking I'd honestly stay away from any DD that isn't an AA specialist and even then I'd think twice about using it.   I had a battle in my T7 Sims the othe day and the T6 IJN CV Ryoko decided it was going to ruin my battle by sending planes over me again and again.    I managed to dodge most of the torps dropped but has less luck with the rockets despite zig-zagging and changing speed.   Also getting shot at by a coupe of cruisers and a BB that was in the area.   I did shoot down 24 planes and did fire one set of torps (sea mines) at a Yorck that came out form behind an island 7.5km from me) but I was never in a position to fire the guns at anything.

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If you like the Z-23 with the 150s you will like the Z-39. Basically the same ship (with tier 8 perks) but playing a tier lower :)

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I didn't end up appreciating the Z-39.

To me it embodied what I didn't like about KM DDs  in general and just made it worse.

The biggest problem for me are the guns which are really difficult to get any good DPM out of. Slow firing and even though they are 150mm guns, it is German 150mm guns so the damage sucks for the caliber and you get cruiser RoF. They also turn really slow and so does the ship.

Its only redeeming quality is an obscenely large health pool for its tier.

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17 hours ago, Yedwy said:

After Haida came out z-93 is pointless IMHO

 

Haida only has a defensive 3.5 km hydro, while Z-39 has an offensive 5.0 km hydro. 

 

Haida only has 4 torps that reload in 96 seconds, while Z-39 has 8 torps that reload in 90 seconds. 

 

Yes Haida has almost twice the HE DPM, but the shells are much slower and harder to hit, while Z-39 has almost 1/3 more HP. 

 

Yes Haida has a bit better concealment (5.7 vs 6.0), but the Z-39 hydro makes up for that in terms of vision control. 

 

Overall Haida is a fun gunboat, but there are many reasons to prefer the Z-39 because if its utility.

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Well for a torp boat shira is a better choice, for a gunboat lenny is a better choice... Long hydro? Mmkay, maybee... How much utility you will acctually get from it however is another thing completly since the things you are supposed to spot and nuke with that hydro (other dds) will be much easyer to kill with any other dd including maas that has faster guns, its not a bad boat by any means just the mileage you really get IDK but this discussion makes me want go take out mine so i go do that... :Smile_trollface:

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