[MADGE] LoliWolf Players 29 posts 9,236 battles Report post #1 Posted February 7, 2019 Flint AA (mid range AA) (long range AA) I chose Flint as the ship is specialized AA ship (but at least was until this rework) ...... WG you gotta work on another hotfix ASAP! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #2 Posted February 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, LoliWolf said: Flint AA (mid range AA) (long range AA) I chose Flint as the ship is specialized AA ship (but at least was until this rework) ...... WG you gotta work on another hotfix ASAP! Working as intended camrade! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[IDDQD] RAYvenMP Players 816 posts 17,290 battles Report post #3 Posted February 7, 2019 they have shifted some dmg from burst to continuous - read the hotfix patchnotes after this hotfix, they can pretty much go and make any AA one-shot plane squads because only masochists will play CVs next few days and then nobody - after that point, all the glorified AA ships can go back to shooting down spotter planes once per battle. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Aotearas Players 8,460 posts 13,076 battles Report post #4 Posted February 7, 2019 Don't have the Flint so can't compare to before, but it looks like the continuous dps was tripled or something in that region in exchange for reducing the flak dps massively. Hotfix said they would adjust AA values, but honestly that's a pretty massive shift for what can be accurately described as a kneejerk balance hotfix one week after CVs got into live server. Makes the AA less All-or-Nothing, but will likely bring back the old problem of bottom tier CVs getting thrashed by uptiered AA dps and being able to happily ignore most bottom tier AA dps due to greater plane HP if top tier in the match. With only even tier CVs in the game now that's going to be very interesting times for the tier VI and VIII CVs that just love getting thrown into tier VIII and X games respectively. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #5 Posted February 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, Aotearas said: Don't have the Flint so can't compare to before, but it looks like the continuous dps was tripled or something in that region in exchange for reducing the flak dps massively. Hotfix said they would adjust AA values, but honestly that's a pretty massive shift for what can be accurately described as a kneejerk balance hotfix one week after CVs got into live server. Makes the AA less All-or-Nothing, but will likely bring back the old problem of bottom tier CVs getting thrashed by uptiered AA dps and being able to happily ignore most bottom tier AA dps due to greater plane HP if top tier in the match. With only even tier CVs in the game now that's going to be very interesting times for the tier VI and VIII CVs that just love getting thrown into tier VIII and X games respectively. Thing is, on tiers 8-10 flak dmg was lowered by about 25%, while on tiers 1-7 it was reduced TO 25%. Which makes T8 CV against lower tiers hilariously immune to flak, while T6 CV player, used to ignoring flak will headbutt wall. At supersonic speed. 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Aotearas Players 8,460 posts 13,076 battles Report post #6 Posted February 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Panocek said: Thing is, on tiers 8-10 flak dmg was lowered by about 25%, while on tiers 1-7 it was reduced TO 25%. Which makes T8 CV against lower tiers hilariously immune to flak, while T6 CV player, used to ignoring flak will headbutt wall. At supersonic speed. Haven't logged in yet to check the new AA values and you know how it is with WG and change documentation, ain't no one know nothin' until they look at the numbers in client. But if they really adressed AA values that asymmetrically then I expect we due for a nother hotfix to fix the previous hotfix soon. Or not, because WG things ... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-AP-] thiextar Players 3,503 posts 9,933 battles Report post #7 Posted February 7, 2019 I mean, i wanted a change with more dps towards continuous and less to flak, that is good. But what in the name of all that is holy is up with the jump from tier 7 to 8? Are there any reasons for this, or did you just task one team with tier 1-7 and another with tier 8-10 and they both misunderstood what 25% means(25% less or 25% of)? Doesnt help that there are no numbers or anything to go on in the patchnotes.... How are we expected to adapt to changes that we dont even know anything about? Im so confused, please bring out proper patchnotes in the future wargaming. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Leo_Apollo11 Quality Poster 7,146 posts 31,598 battles Report post #8 Posted February 7, 2019 Hi all, 38 minutes ago, LoliWolf said: Flint AA (mid range AA) (long range AA) I chose Flint as the ship is specialized AA ship (but at least was until this rework) ...... WG you gotta work on another hotfix ASAP! The most excellent "WoWs Fitting Tool" still has v0.8.0 data in! https://wowsft.com/WarshipStats?nation=usa&shipType=Premium&ship=Flint&moduleN=11111&commander=default&camo=true&s0=PCY001_CrashCrew_CV_CA_CL&s1=PCY003_AirDefenseDisp_US_Cruisers_Atlanta&s2=PCY006_SmokeGenerator_US_Lvl_7 Leo "Apolo11" 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MADGE] LoliWolf Players 29 posts 9,236 battles Report post #9 Posted February 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, Leo_Apollo11 said: The most excellent "WoWs Fitting Tool" still has v0.8.0 data in! We're not running 0.8.0 We're running version 0.8.0.1 What you're looking at are stats from old version... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Leo_Apollo11 Quality Poster 7,146 posts 31,598 battles Report post #10 Posted February 7, 2019 Hi all, 4 minutes ago, LoliWolf said: We're not running 0.8.0 We're running version 0.8.0.1 What you're looking at are stats from old version... I know - so we can compare v0.8.0 and new v0.8.1 for same ship ("Flint") ! Leo "Apollo11" 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CMP] Hummus Weekend Tester 605 posts 5,346 battles Report post #11 Posted February 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, LoliWolf said: We're not running 0.8.0 We're running version 0.8.0.1 What you're looking at are stats from old version... Yes he knows ..... he posted the old values so you can compare. On topic: That is a pretty damn big loss in flak dmg for a very meh increase in area dps.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BYOB] Aragathor Players 7,047 posts 32,322 battles Report post #12 Posted February 7, 2019 Having 483 damage on T7 and 1680 damage on T8 per puff on the same guns is ridiculous (127mm/38 Mk 32 gun). I think someone did an oopsie when changing things. 5 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NAN0] HaachamaShipping Players 8,474 posts 10,052 battles Report post #13 Posted February 7, 2019 And people thought 8.0 Atlanta was bad. Well, here comes the 8.0.1 version! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BYOB] Aragathor Players 7,047 posts 32,322 battles Report post #14 Posted February 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Seiranko said: And people thought 8.0 Atlanta was bad. Well, here comes the 8.0.1 version! I would laugh if it wasn't so sad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CMWR] Lootboxer Players 3,817 posts 21,306 battles Report post #15 Posted February 7, 2019 WG 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #16 Posted February 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, Seiranko said: And people thought 8.0 Atlanta was bad. Well, here comes the 8.0.1 version! At least dps is on high end Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CMWR] Lootboxer Players 3,817 posts 21,306 battles Report post #17 Posted February 7, 2019 Ok I am going to try Flint now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NAN0] HaachamaShipping Players 8,474 posts 10,052 battles Report post #18 Posted February 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, Aragathor said: I would laugh if it wasn't so sad. I honestly expect 8.0.2 next week. The issue after all is not ship-specific, it affects far too many ships. So, for now I just have my laughs and wait what they do next and what to laugh at next "fix". 2 minutes ago, Panocek said: At least dps is on high end Meanwhile... Spoiler AA DD, lol... 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CG] Redcap375 Players 4,371 posts 15,295 battles Report post #19 Posted February 7, 2019 1 minute ago, DariusJacek said: Ok I am going to try Flint now. Get back to use mate with your results. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CMWR] Lootboxer Players 3,817 posts 21,306 battles Report post #20 Posted February 7, 2019 first game no cv second the same I'm giving up 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DPRK] maderi Beta Tester 61 posts Report post #21 Posted February 7, 2019 The new AA 1 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mad_Dog_Dante Players 6,636 posts Report post #22 Posted February 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Leo_Apollo11 said: I know - so we can compare v0.8.0 and new v0.8.1 for same ship ("Flint") ! I've compared 0.8.0 Atlanta and Flint AA values in my post about the Atlanta AA changes. So the old 0.8.0 values are listed there. I'll probably make a new comparison and play test when i get the urge to play a bit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PEZ] Yedwy Players 11,301 posts 39,586 battles Report post #23 Posted February 7, 2019 Well at least i called it before all this that real balancing problem wont be the cvs themseves but aa part of the rework and here we are... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EdiJo Players 1,419 posts 11,712 battles Report post #24 Posted February 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Aragathor said: Having 483 damage on T7 and 1680 damage on T8 per puff on the same guns is ridiculous (127mm/38 Mk 32 gun). I think someone did an oopsie when changing things. And both T7 and T8 fight the same carriers... Another proof that WG doesn't like people to stay in T7? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BYOB] Aragathor Players 7,047 posts 32,322 battles Report post #25 Posted February 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, EdiJo said: And both T7 and T8 fight the same carriers... Another proof that WG doesn't like people to stay in T7? I think that someone screwed up. No chance that this was intended. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
