[UPD 11/2] Update 0.8.0.2 Hotfix

[mrblueskye]

Have a look at this for shits and giggles.  The well known AA monsters at T5.  Ah, Texas and...another Texas, I hear you say...  Such a nice welcome for all those new T4 CV players we're supposed to be trying to attract to the game.  Good luck with that!

 

 

[NothingButTheRain]

9 minutes ago, Merlin68 said:

Remove this stupid CV rework and put the old one in again.
The rework may be OK on console but not for PC players

I'd prefer to keep the old OP carriers burried, as much as I miss them in ops.

[anunnak]

7 minutes ago, iiDutchy said:

Haha , minor patch , where ? 

Only thing I noticed is a hotfix fix so huge felt like WG went trough the rework with a sledgehammer and ran it over with a bulldozer. minor, what a joke.

 

And sorry, this just proves that you have no idea what this conversation or my posts are about..

 

Because i didnt mention AA once!

let me sum it up for you:

 

My post are all about the cvs and how they have become a utter bane to play,

you go out, strike (if your squadron lives long enough) and then you see your planes fall from the sky on their way back to the cv,

meaning you lose all of your planes, meaning you have to wait a really long time in wich you can have a look around and enjoy the scenery before you have any planes again.

 

not to mention that the aiming time is beyond ridiculous and the slighest adjustment resets the aim,

not forgeting that the torps are utterly slow and on ships like the GZ for example you get no floodings what so ever and i am running +19% flood chance.

 i mean if you think i dont know what i am talking about sure , go ahead.

 

because thats exactly what i am thinking of you right now. 

 

Yes. its a minor patch. Does it have content in it? No, it's a hotfix for some issues. They nerffed some things too much? I personaly dont know and i said that i need to play more to see for myself. 

 

You didn't mention AA buff and who does the killing of your planes? or they just fall out of the sky? Most people here who played the game noticed that on certain ships the AA si ineffective even with full build. You barely shot down any planes, didn't matter where they were and what they were doing. That is unless your a very bad CV or very noobish and you dont know how to dodge flak. Since we are talking about AA impact on CV's and planes getting shoot down it's a logical implication that the AA is the principal culprit here. Wasn't thet AA buffed with this hotfix? Did the F key seem alright to you? 

[SZAKAL666pl]

with this hotfix you went from the extreme to the extreme. now cv are not needed and every ship build under AA is able to defend against the cv without a problem  and nerf cv totally took away the pleasure of the game and the only task cv now after this hotfixe is the detection of the enemy ships and hunt dd . You should only fix AA system not nerf cv you killed your own rework after week of existence. good job i will w8 for player who show you that that despite the nerf,  he will destroy the opponent and I am curious what will you do if the players continue to  accuse that the carriers are  still strong, the ban of good players? removing aircraft carriers from the game, or maybe carriers only on consoles

 

[NothingButTheRain]

One other thing I noticed, have the flak bursts also been changed? Usually I'd have time to avoid the flak burst, but this is impossible if the flak bursts basically spawn inside my squadron. This really helps in shooting my planes down.

Another thing that really helps in shooting down planes is that I have come across flakburst walls, these were literally impossible to dodge, so I had to fly through them.

[iiDutchy]

2 minutes ago, NothingButTheRain said:

One other thing I noticed, have the flak bursts also been changed? Usually I'd have time to avoid the flak burst, but this is impossible if the flak bursts basically spawn inside my squadron. This really helps in shooting my planes down.

Another thing that really helps in shooting down planes is that I have come across flakburst walls, these were literally impossible to dodge, so I had to fly through them.

welcome to the f#ck-up that is 0.8.1

 

add it to the list of things the "hotFIXED"

[cosminc]

Lol you actually made a poll , like wg give a flying F*C* about your opinion =)).

They care about the opinion of so called "WG personalitys", who either don't have the courage to just say to their face that this update is crap and they don't do  it because they lose the support from WG.

[iiDutchy]

5 minutes ago, cosminc said:

Lol you actually made a poll , like wg give a flying F*C* about your opinion =)).

They care about the opinion of so called "WG personalitys", who either don't have the courage to just say to their face that this update is crap and they don't do  it because they lose the support from WG.

Jep I did :) heres the link: https://doodle.com/poll/xv9kku3gdrqfn7vd

and how know maybe if they see that a lot of people share the same opinion , maybe the light bulb will light above the head of WG and they will wake up and see their error.

 

one can only hope :)

 

[NothingButTheRain]

Btw, once you commit to an attack run...is it possible to break off the attack run if I decide I don't want to attack anymore?

For instance, I've started an attack runa nd then my target suddenly dies. Then I either have to waste a drop into nothing or do I really have to wait it out until the attack run ends automatically?

 

Or can I stop the attack run animation prematurely without either dropping my load or using F-key?

[Winter]

6 minutes ago, iiDutchy said:

Jep I did :) heres the link: https://doodle.com/poll/xv9kku3gdrqfn7vd

and how know maybe if they see that a lot of people share the same opinion , maybe the light bulb will light above the head of WG and they will wake up and see their error.

 

one can only hope :)

 

Serious question, what's the point of this poll without reflecting player perspective? Carrier players aren't liking the AA buff (judging by this thread) and non-carrier players might not be satisfied until they're gone altogether. So of course you end up with a list of people saying they're not satisfied.

[Voreian]

4 minutes ago, cosminc said:

Lol you actually made a poll , like wg give a flying F*C* about your opinion =)).

They care about the opinion of so called "WG personalitys", who either don't have the courage to just say to their face that this is update is crap and they don't like it because they lose the support

I dont know what personalities you are referring to but Community Contributors said that this rework was not ready for the public server and i doubt they even asked them for an opinion for this hotfix of theirs. BTW this poll is "statistic evidence""  but WG will discard it as biased and unilateral carried out in a controlled and negative environment (lol). The deception of statistics at its best.

[anunnak]

1 hour ago, Voreian said:

Caps lock is not for shouting is for EMPHASISING SOMETHING. 

 

I made a fool out of myself... i doubt it. I even doubt your ability to interpret statistics or even to begin to understand it. 

 

Now.... grow up?? I am at my late 40s and i happen to be currently unmployed due to how world works due to your loved statistics. 

 

Wargaming base their updates and fixes based ON STATISTICS. The world has become a total crap, becuase of statistics, global economy has been turned into utter crap because of statistics among other things. Starving people in Africa or in Asia are statistics?? Deforestation or global warming are statistics?? 

 

Hurt my feelings?? Of course not. You hurt my intellect here. Statistics are made AFTER something has happenned or after something is irrevocably DEAD. That is how you can measure your statistics in the first place. 

 

Not every opinion can be valid??? SUREEEEEEE.....Is the opinion of a politician after being elected on false information or false pretends valid?? Is Trump's opinion more valid than the opinion of a starving Mexican who wants to go to the US. 

 

Here all opinions count, we may need them so as to get different perspectives. I never went personal neither to him nor to you. We are ALL BIASED in a way or another.

 

Intelligent people PREDICT. "I need statistics to make changes"??  NOOOOOOO..... you may need that.... 

 

If the game dies it will be another entry in the statistical category of dead online games.....Statistics show that WoWs have to expand to the console market.... pure ecenomic statistical analysis so as to ensure long term business sustainability and an increase in profits (this is the magic word). 

 

I pay to have a stable, enjoyable, non-toxic game. I PAY (another magic word). I am not here as a test subject, a guinea pig or lab rat. I pay for premium account and premiun ships and instead of enjoying and relaxing on some days off i end up being lectured by.......(OK i dont want this to get personal but i would say unilateral thinkers)  about statistics. 

 

Your statistics and the "business decisions" of WG have resulted in problems for ALL their titles. 

 

Now if your reality says that we should react to someone carrying a gun AFTER he kills some poor bastard because the homicide statistics will get worse then i am sincerely sorry on how you perceive the world. 

 

If WG after 3 years of constant development does not have some sound statistics about the toxicity level of the game rising due to the inbalance created by CVs, or their influence on the game then what is more to say.The guy you picked on with your statistics had the game of his life for a few days, he was enjoying himself cause he got into a position that made his life happier. No problem with that. He enjoyed himself and wants this to keep on. 

 

Is he a bad player overall???  I do not care. Does WG takes into account good players ONLY. Sureeeee....all the CCs opinions were sent down the drain over the past few weeks,

 

Anyway, this is getting too long and i am getting too bored. 

 

Statistics are merely for tweaking a decision and not the primary means of making one. Global warming will be a statistical certainty ONLY AFTER we are dead, but it is currently in working process. 

 

However, you made assumptions about my age, my education, my psychological profile based on statistics??? You didnt ever read properly what i wrote. You may want to stroke a puppy when challenged, pick up an argument.

 

All posts here are revealling changes and mechanisms that are so ill conceived or outright broken that have nothing to do with either statistics or even simple maths. 

 

Regards and keep it cool and (player) statistics out of this.

 

No offense taken, none meant.

 

 

Calling me a troll and a bully with caps lock isn't shouting? making the closing remarks with caps locks isn't shouting? You don't have a job because of statistics? guess what? Neither do i for the moment and i don't like it but it's called free market. Don't tell me your 40+ and still dream for a socialist utopia though. I for one really dont wanna go back to communism in my country, i had enough of it in my childhood in the 80's. As for the other comments regarding statistics you are making more straw man fallacy arguments. Regarding opinions you are making again straw man fallacies as i never said "they dont count", i said they are not all valid. I will copy paste the deffinition of "valid" to make it clearer:   "(of an argument or point) having a sound basis in logic or fact; reasonable or cogent."

 

WG want's to expand on other platforms. More likely then not, i'we already posted such remarks in other threads. It doesn't matter if he is a bad player? If someone is bad at something and his opionion on the subject is relevant why does it bother you i'm bad at statistics (presumably)? If competence is not an issue then let the worst doctor operate you or the worst lawyer represent you in a court of law. If WG devs didn't care about the opinions of CC.... everyone sees it here, i and countless others have complained about it and that's their mistake. Almost everyone here including me are of the opinion that this patch is BOGUS! 

 

 

 

 

[The_Monk]

Oh well. At least the option to sell CVs and reclaim all XP and credits are still a thing, thank god. 

[_URI_]

1. DD's are powerless still

2. Why WG did the same thing to Haku and Shoku??? Ryujo now preforming a lot better than T8!!! Fckn Nurmberg shoot down 4 torpedo planes with short/mid range aa on one approach... I guess in game vs t10 Shoku can just go back to port.

 

Whatever you doing guys taking bad turn. But on this stage choice is simple: CV's or DD's! Make a call which class you actually wanna see in game.

[Pr1cken]

Worst hotfix ever, CV are now useless. All you can do is spot... If you get to close you lose all planes.

[SkullpturaCro]

2 hours ago, Voreian said:

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, either provide some ideas or just read what other feel like writting. RECALLING WORTHLESS FIGURES AND NUMBERS can be considered BULLYING OR TROLLING if you do not offer something constructive here. 

This is pure gold. First you say that everyone's entitled to an opinion and then you immediately proceed to contradict yourself in the same sentence. And your whole second sentence is basically just you bashing his opinion and telling him what he should say and how he should say it by stating your own opinion, not facts so you two are really doing the same thing. 

[HellsingCross]

What is going on?! its even WORSE than before

Please stop kidding us.... just rollback this rework, its not working anywhere....

[Winter]

3 hours ago, ShinGetsu said:

It's funny that people complain DD die too quickly.

 

Ever played against a competent CV in the previous patches ? With a DD ? You're dead all the same in the first 3 minutes.

 

The ONLY broken things is the ability of the CV to spots during the first minute of the match. Rockets are nowhere near the one-shot fest Midway was with the cross drop before 8.0. But the rockets planes are too fast and they are here in the first minute of the game. That's the issue. That's the only issue.

 

Massive difference compared to before, if you had a competent CV you wouldn't die because there was a counter, aka fighters. Besides if the pre-work games had been as saturated with CVs they would've probably ended up in a similarly bad spot where they wouldn't risk doing any sort of agressive play.

 

And I don't think anyone is trying to argue here that the previous carriers weren't completely broken, it's just that with the rework some things were made worse (plane speed/rockets/possibility of RPF) and some of the counters were removed (mobile fighters/high range 7+KM effective AA/def AA panic mechanic). So just the fact that something as annoying as crossdropping was removed does not mean destroyers are now suddenly in a place where they should be praising the rework.

[anonym_WQDIB9XrzbSp]

Basically owning DD's regardless of hotfix, and I'm not even a CV player.

 

Seems like getting up tiered see's all your planes wrecked on any run towards a +2 BB, but within tier you can impact the game.

 

Be interesting to see a rollback, rethink, and removal of stats achieved through clear exploitation of broken mechanics. 

[anunnak]

11 minutes ago, SkullpturaCro said:

This is pure gold. First you say that everyone's entitled to an opinion and then you immediately proceed to contradict yourself in the same sentence. And your whole second sentence is basically just you bashing his opinion and telling him what he should say and how he should say it by stating your own opinion, not facts so you two are really doing the same thing. 

 

LOL, yeah! I didn't even get it until now. He did seem a bit incoherent but the Caps lock was the thing that got my attention more. Anyway, i don't see how i'm doing the same thing (if this is what u ment). I just saw some stats and presented an opinion based on them. Statistics as far as i know count as facts more so here since they are gathered by an impartial computer system. Or am i wrong?

[LOZFFVII]

5 hours ago, Skeptical_Bunny said:

I've noticed another thing with the CV rework. Now wen have CV's on even tiers only, and with the MM being set up as it is the CV's are facing ships that are 2 tiers up from them and they have AA that just wreak their planes even more effectively than what they are supposed to be facing, maybe rework your MM too...? Sorry to say it, but your MM really suck. Sure.. It's all good when there's very few player on, but when there's a lot of player on the MM should really be +/- 1 tier of the highest tier in the division, or the tier ship a single player play. Meaning if you play tier 5, then you will get matches with either tier 4 and 5 in, or you get matches with tier 5 and 6 in, not tier 4, 5 and 6. Not facing ships that are 2 tiers above the one you're playing would certainly help on a lot of problems we face in matches, like T8 meeting T10, the difference between those two tiers is just too much.

 

Yeah I know.. I went off track here, but it is part of the problem carrier players face now...

Others have suggested giving CVs a specific MM rule, in the form that a CV is always in the middle of the MM spread, but we still keep the +/-2 for other classes. T6 CVs can only see T5s and T7s, T8 CVs can only see T7s and T9s, T10 CVs can only see T9s. This should reduce the number of battles where the CV player simply cannot influence the battle because +2 AA is too powerful.

So, if you're in a T7 cruiser, you will see either a T6 CV or a T8 CV, but never both in the same battle. Having the MM act like this would also have the added benefit of reducing the number of T10 battles other T8s end up in, so less whiners there. Also, having MM brackets like these would help with balancing AA across all ship types, as it's quite simple to go "All T6s are balanced within tier; All T7s are a little bit better than T6 but a little bit worse than T8; All T8s are balanced within tier".

 

Personally, I quite like this idea and think it would be a big step towards a CV/Surface ship balance.

[IxxSANDMANxxI]

Heya Community & WG Team,

i looged on, started my first game in my Carrier and after a game i was saying... WTF did u there?! That there must be a nerf to my jap T10 okay... BUT! the rest of the VIII or the Midway was nearly nice... the gameplay made carrier a new expierince, new tactics to learn and new MOVEMENT (!!) in the game.

 

but the community had to react at the new way of carriers too... while the most player just crying like babies, that they have to use the WASD, there were other skilled players, that handled the new carriers really nice! i had some fights against T8-T10 BBs, that skiped over 50 torps of my T10 jap.. cause they had skills!!! they moved really nice, through them and did aceptable dmg to my team... badly the most of the players that cried... they just had to be more careful, had to use more team tactices and cant do the "im strong independet pilot"

 

to nerf the t8 carriers is really stupid as well, u hat a really hard fight when u get in 10 battles (50% of my t8 carrier fights were t10 battles!!!) and now u will make nothing against any t8+ ship....

 

at the moment u lose ur complete wave of 12 fighters (each class!!!) by get 1 single attack... each plane is get killed by get back to the carrier... and this after just attack 1 single t8-t10 ship... what happend to the normal nice balance of u, WG...

 

so the patch is just a joke... a big punch in the CVs face and make em now unplayable. just because there are more players, that are not able to play the game right.... u nerf a great new system really to hard...

 

I just kick my head by bought perma camouflage for all the carriers, ships i stop playing now... not wasting my time anymore to this class.. and trust me, WG; u can check all the money i spend in ur ships and premium time... but this is a bad trip u did with the hotfix....

 

make CVs bad again, without give the community the chance to come accross with new tactics...

 

well....

 

im getting a wave of RL now...

[Bagstabber]

gee thx wargaming for wrecking the cv's, rendering em useless.. bring back the old format please. atleast it had a challange to it.

[HellsingCross]

Now everyone's happy right?

Non CV players get to play their game as they always wanted 

 

BB's are happy there's no more torpbeats

CA's are happy no more torpbeats

DD's are very happy with no more spottiing and barely any planes in the air (because of overnerfed resupply times)

CV's are leaving because no planes in hangar, instant deleted planes, torpedo bombers aiming not stabilizing or anything

[IxxSANDMANxxI]

2 minutes ago, HellsingCross said:

Now everyone's happy right?

Non CV players get to play their game as they always wanted 

 

BB's are happy there's no more torpbeats

CA's are happy no more torpbeats

DD's are very happy with no more spottiing and barely any planes in the air (because of overnerfed resupply times)

CV's are leaving because no planes in hangar, instant deleted planes, torpedo bombers aiming not stabilizing or anything

 

thats the short "theme", that hits the main points with some ironic