[UPD 11/2] Update 0.8.0.2 Hotfix

[Voreian]

I think we get too much into trivia and miss the whole point. This is not about nerf this, buff that or screw some ship class in favour of the other. 

 

The whole thing is to game some balance and possibly even realism. Many of the hotfix aspects are totally unrealistic. The naval avaiation was introduced in part because the planes were more accurate than the battleship guns. You cannot have plane cooldown or plane CV return penalty when the planes are i.e. less heavily loaded and therefore more agile when they return from a drop and therefore should be less vulnerable to AA. 

How about this constant damage from the AA auras?? Where did you get that from?? Where is the player skill in avoiding constant damage?? A BB player can dodge torps or at least try to. How can you dodge constant damage??

 

Really wargaming if you cannot improve or balance the game with this haphazzard "fixes" then stop making them.

Create a sandbox server where anyone with more than 1000 battles or with at least a Tier X ship will be allowed to play and test the new ideas. If this is not possible, devote one day a week for your stuff to play the game in a controlled environment and test their ideas...1 idea at a time. How do you expect to get balance fixing 10 or 20 things simultaneously after reworking another 50-60 game mechanics and expect to do anything meaningful??

 

This is theory of chaos learned the hard way and you will end up throwing the whole game in the abyss.

[Hauden_Lukas]

38 minutes ago, KazeAmaru said:

Wrong analogy again.

I got planes on my deck, refueled and armed. So why add an arbitrary reload/cooldown when they are literately ready to hit the catapults? That is BS.

Same if a DD reloaded and then has to wait for another minute for "balancing" reasons.

You dont get it, right? That is the whole point. Why is the reload time of DD torps different? For balancing. So you will not have them planes ready for takeoff, because balancing. Dont you get it that its just a visual effect seing the planes on your CV? WG can change it if you feel better that way.

[KazeAmaru]

20 hours ago, Hauden_Lukas said:

You dont get it, right? That is the whole point. Why is the reload time of DD torps different? For balancing. So you will not have them planes ready for takeoff, because balancing. Dont you get it that its just a visual effect seing the planes on your CV? WG can change it if you feel better that way.

You are the one not getting it. *edited*

I start, as a carrier with sixteen ready planes, I send eight out, so eight are still refueled and ready, Now you demand I cannot launch them? It is like saying "Sorry dude, you launched 3/6 torps, you are on cooldown now"

[iiDutchy]

1 minute ago, Hauden_Lukas said:

You dont get it, right? That is the whole point. Why is the reload time of DD torps different? For balancing. So you will not have them planes ready for takeoff, because balancing. Dont you get it that its just a visual effect seing the planes on your CV? WG can change it if you feel better that way.

Accually

 

A plane goes out ,strikes , has to fly BACK to the carrier , then needs to be re-armed and prepare for take off.

That last part, the re-arming / refueling of a plane is a LOT faster then loading 1 single 610 mm torpedo an a shima and he needs to load 5 of those buggers in a single launcher.

[anonym_cwVecOS6ecVy]

Wargaming keeping the "balance" be like:

[iiDutchy]

Poll update - 4 hours.

 

share your opinion on: https://doodle.com/poll/xv9kku3gdrqfn7vd 

and let WG see the general opinion of our community.

[KHS01]

After 0.8.0.1. Yes it was supposed to nerf cv but this time it has been much. Now it is not funny playing with cv. Please buff a little bit more.

[anunnak]

20 minutes ago, iiDutchy said:

more like balace by bulldozer if you ask me....

seriously , how do you bring something out so good and promising that just needs a bit of tweeking

but nerf it back into the ground 1 week later, towards oblivion

all that bc some people cry in the forums as always when it comes to cvs

 

Spoke the Hakuryu player whois ratings got to Unicum and established a new personal record 2 days ago.

 

 

 

[Hauden_Lukas]

20 hours ago, KazeAmaru said:

You are the one not getting it. *edited*

I start, as a carrier with sixteen ready planes, I send eight out, so eight are still refueled and ready, Now you demand I cannot launch them? It is like saying "Sorry dude, you launched 3/6 torps, you are on cooldown now"

 

Oh we are getting personal.*edited* . All classes have reloads and cooldowns of some sort. For balance reasons. "bUt i StArT wItH 16 PlAnEs rEaDy"... no son, you start with whatever WG thinks is good for the game.*edited*

20 hours ago, iiDutchy said:

Accually

 

A plane goes out ,strikes , has to fly BACK to the carrier , then needs to be re-armed and prepare for take off.

That last part, the re-arming / refueling of a plane is a LOT faster then loading 1 single 610 mm torpedo an a shima and he needs to load 5 of those buggers in a single launcher.

 

We are not talking real life here. My sailors are more motivated on my ships cause i have premium... thats not how it works. For balance everything is tweaked. WG overshot with initial release and now overshot with AA. It might take some time to get it right.

[KazeAmaru]

19 hours ago, Hauden_Lukas said:

 

Oh we are getting personal. *edited*. All classes have reloads and cooldowns of some sort. For balance reasons. "bUt i StArT wItH 16 PlAnEs rEaDy"... no son, you start with whatever WG thinks is good for the game.

*edited*

Okay you are really not getting the problem.

Let me make it fool proof for ya, shall we? So you reload six out of six ( all, understood?) torpedos and fire three, three are still loaded, right? So you want now to implement a system that says "Nah, you cannot fire the three torpedos, already loaded and ready because you recently fired torpedos"

That's how retarded your CD on planes that are ready suggestion is. 16 Ready planes mean, I can launch them at my leisure at any time I wish to. There is no CD; because there is no reloading or refueling. 16/8 = 2 Squads completely independent from eachother. That's why your suggestion is humbuk.

Deal with it.

[Voreian]

3 minutes ago, anunnak said:

 

Spoke the Hakuryu player whois ratings got to Unicum and established a new personal record 2 days ago.

 

 

 

 

You say what??  that his opinion is biased??? That he is not a good player??

 

Your point is?? .....OUPS NO POINT, sorry another lover of statistics...So you say that someone who once mutilated you with his car by accident, cannot operate on you AFTER he becomes a doctor....something like that.

 

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, either provide some ideas or just read what other feel like writting. RECALLING WORTHLESS FIGURES AND NUMBERS can be considered BULLYING OR TROLLING if you do not offer something constructive here. 

 

2 days ago i played my DesMoines and after 5 minutes of constant attacks shot down 3 (THREE as in 03) planes.......right.......

 

After a few battles i played my Wooster.....attacked for 5 min also while chasing both the enemy CVs and a friendly Yamato was 15km behind me.....killed both CVs (205k dmg), shot down 51 planes (must be a world record or something) and suffered 30k dmg. 

 

Now, should i continue talking like the DesMoines noob or the Wooster expert?? 

 

STOP THIS BS WITH STATISTICS. YOU DONT TAKE DECISIONS IN YOUR LIFE only if and when they are statistically correct. 

 

so drop it 

[sneakyscotsman]

Never been a CV player but was playing a bit in the Ryujo and not doing too badly apart from that only really played full AA Mino as im not even taking my DD's out just now.

Logged in to the forums and saw all this and thought cant be that bad surely just played a game in CO-OP and got my arse handed to me by bots LOL,

no idea where my torps went but im pretty sure i managed to shoot down my own squadron with them WTF how do you aim?

Somebody at WG needs their arse kicking for this pile of dung..

Going back to the game to try my mino in random and see if anyone is brave enough to play CV's.

[anunnak]

25 minutes ago, Voreian said:

 

You say what??  that his opinion is biased??? That he is not a good player??

 

Your point is?? .....OUPS NO POINT, sorry another lover of statistics...So you say that someone who once mutilated you with his car by accident, cannot operate on you AFTER he becomes a doctor....something like that.

 

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, either provide some ideas or just read what other feel like writting. RECALLING WORTHLESS FIGURES AND NUMBERS can be considered BULLYING OR TROLLING if you do not offer something constructive here. 

 

2 days ago i played my DesMoines and after 5 minutes of constant attacks shot down 3 (THREE as in 03) planes.......right.......

 

After a few battles i played my Wooster.....attacked for 5 min also while chasing both the enemy CVs and a friendly Yamato was 15km behind me.....killed both CVs (205k dmg), shot down 51 planes (must be a world record or something) and suffered 30k dmg. 

 

Now, should i continue talking like the DesMoines noob or the Wooster expert?? 

 

STOP THIS BS WITH STATISTICS. YOU DONT TAKE DECISIONS IN YOUR LIFE only if and when they are statistically correct. 

 

so drop it 

 

Yes! his opionon might be biased! Clearly that might be the case. Your analogy is flawed and lacks logic. That's a straw man informal fallacy and doesn't work here. He never attacked me with his CV but he became unicum with it and set a new record after the patch.  Everyone is entitled to an opinion but not every opinion can be valid. As for providing ideeas i already made threads and comments. Statistics are not worthless, news flash, the hole world works on statistics. From the world economy to medicine and  to World of Warships. Citing statistics is not trolling, citing statistics are FACTS. Trolling and bullying is abusing the caps lock key like you do. Shouting here doesn't help your cause. The fact that you played once your Des Moines and you did good and once you did great are anecdotal evidence. You need statistics to make changes, but since you deny reality...kinda hard for you to understand.  

 

Before making dumb comments and make a fool of yourself perhaps try to do more research on how the world works. In any case, i'm sorry if i hurt ur feelings, do you need a safe space? do you need to pet a puppy? I suggest you grow up. Good luck!

[Hauden_Lukas]

30 minutes ago, KazeAmaru said:

Okay you are really not getting the problem.

Let me make it fool proof for ya, shall we? So you reload six out of six ( all, understood?) torpedos and fire three, three are still loaded, right? So you want now to implement a system that says "Nah, you cannot fire the three torpedos, already loaded and ready because you recently fired torpedos"

That's how retarded your CD on planes that are ready suggestion is. 16 Ready planes mean, I can launch them at my leisure at any time I wish to. There is no CD; because there is no reloading or refueling. 16/8 = 2 Squads completely independent from eachother. That's why your suggestion is humbuk.

Deal with it.

 

Lets make this fool proof for you. I never suggested you have to wait for planes that appear to be ready. You made that up. You played yourself, genius.

[DarkPhariah]

well sometimes statistics help .. sometimes they don't .. if u have to make changes then u have to gather as much data as possible and make some decisions .. stats helps .. sometimes .. feelings also helps :)

 

anyway .. anyone who knows exact date for when free reset expires? i have to make some adjustments/reset before i time out ..

 

thx!

[mcboernester]

OK so I did some Math for the AA Changes. I honestly cannot tell what you Goal was but you just flipped the Switch to the other Side. Let's assume the following:

 

I'm on my Minotaur

Spoiler

And fight a Enterprise (t8) on the other Team. She went for Dmg Reduction but not SE ( I played most of the PTS and PT Rounds without SE and HP Module)

Spoiler

 

So the Fighters enter the long Range Aura, nothing new here. A few Dodges will do the Trick

 

Spoiler

 

OK, so maybe it's not as bad as everybody sa....HELLOOOO!

Spoiler

 

1492 dps * 1,5 makes adds up to 2238 DPS. After removing 10% from the CV Talent we are at 2014 DPS.  What does that mean-> assuming I will enter the Midrange without engaging the longrange first, any other Ships arround or being hit by any flakburst (which basically never happens) the complete Squad will be wiped in 7,74 Seconds. ((1300*12) / 2014)

So next i was thinking "how long does it even take you to travel this Distance?" -> 11,9seconds for 6.9km which is the complete aura range of a Minotaur. So moving on from the Midrange Calculation above we need to move 3500 meters to reach the short range Aura. At a boost speed of 216 knots this will take 6 seconds. The Squad will be wiped in 7,74...     3500/ (216knots *5,22aa speed modificator in WOWS and change up into m/s )  

 

Happy Testing  

[anunnak]

13 minutes ago, DarkPhariah said:

well sometimes statistics help .. sometimes they don't .. if u have to make changes then u have to gather as much data as possible and make some decisions .. stats helps .. sometimes .. feelings also helps :)

 

anyway .. anyone who knows exact date for when free reset expires? i have to make some adjustments/reset before i time out ..

 

thx!

 

No, feelings don't help and are totaly irrelevant. Do you want the central bank to make changes on the currency based on the feelings or the global statistics? Do you want a medic to give you medicine based on his feelings or statistics? do you want ur president to declare wars based on his feelings? No of course not. The world is not run on feelings. Emotions are personal and subjective. 

[iiDutchy]

33 minutes ago, anunnak said:

 

Yes! his opionon might be biased! Clearly that might be the case. Your analogy is flawed and lacks logic. That's a straw man informal fallacy and doesn't work here. He never attacked me with his CV but he became unicum with it and set a new record after the patch.  Everyone is entitled to an opinion but not every opinion can be valid. As for providing ideeas i already made threads and comments. Statistics are not worthless, news flash, the hole world works on statistics. From the world economy to medicine and  to World of Warships. Citing statistics is not trolling, citing statistics are FACTS. Trolling and bullying is abusing the caps lock key like you do. Shouting here doesn't help your cause. The fact that you played once your Des Moines and you did good and once you did great are anecdotal evidence. You need statistics to make changes, but since you deny reality...kinda hard for you to understand.  

 

Before making dumb comments and make a fool of yourself perhaps try to do more research on how the world works. In any case, i'm sorry if i hurt ur feelings, do you need a safe space? do you need to pet a puppy? I suggest you grow up. Good luck!

Yes .. good job looking at my stats :)

Ive been a Unicum for quite a while ..

as for my damage record, wow i made a full 10k more then my previous record. amazing right ?

 

and if you think that what i am telling you and that cvs at this point are utterly broken from top to bothem, bc my stats got a little better, what happens like a lot even before the patch

i mean, sure, all these other people here must tell bias aswell right ?

 

maybe there also unicum now and have a new dm record?

Hurry! go check their profile before they all hide their stats !

[maxh4x]

Hi,

 

I noticed that stock speed of torps on my Graf is 35 knots, and it was 40 knots before "hot-fix". Am I right?

Did you notice other small changes like this one? I mean, changes wich weren't officially explained in the "hot-fix" update.

 

I would love to see more numbers in any update announcement. I think, I deserve it after spending some money on the product.

 

 

Bests,

m

[anunnak]

4 minutes ago, iiDutchy said:

Yes .. good job looking at my stats :)

Ive been a Unicum for quite a while ..

as for my damage record, wow i made a full 10k more then my previous record. amazing right ?

 

and if you think that what i am telling you and that cvs at this point are utterly broken from top to bothem, bc my stats got a little better, what happens like a lot even before the patch

i mean, sure, all these other people here must tell bias aswell right ?

 

maybe there also unicum now and have a new dm record?

Hurry! go check their profile before they all hide their stats !

 

They just released this morning the minor patch.. If this is good or bad i still have to play and see for myself. And yes, i think your opinion might be biased based on your stats with this perticular CV. And your not the only CV player who commented on the AA buff in a negative manner. Thing is most of the others i'we checked are very bad players, in their case it might be that the OP CVs got nerfed too much for them to do anything. We will see based on the statistics and comments of the community if it's that bad. I just played a few games now and saw an improvement over my AA power.

[iiDutchy]

Just now, anunnak said:

 

They just released this morning the minor patch.. If this is good or bad i still have to play and see for myself. And yes, i think your opinion might be biased based on your stats with this perticular CV. And your not the only CV player who commented on the AA buff in a negative manner. Thing is most of the others i'we checked are very bad players, in their case it might be that the OP CVs got nerfed too much for them to do anything. We will see based on the statistics and comments of the community if it's that bad. I just played a few games now and saw an improvement over my AA power.

Haha , minor patch , where ? 

Only thing I noticed is a hotfix fix so huge felt like WG went trough the rework with a sledgehammer and ran it over with a bulldozer. minor, what a joke.

 

And sorry, this just proves that you have no idea what this conversation or my posts are about..

 

Because i didnt mention AA once!

let me sum it up for you:

 

My post are all about the cvs and how they have become a utter bane to play,

you go out, strike (if your squadron lives long enough) and then you see your planes fall from the sky on their way back to the cv,

meaning you lose all of your planes, meaning you have to wait a really long time in wich you can have a look around and enjoy the scenery before you have any planes again.

 

not to mention that the aiming time is beyond ridiculous and the slighest adjustment resets the aim,

not forgeting that the torps are utterly slow and on ships like the GZ for example you get no floodings what so ever and i am running +19% flood chance.

 i mean if you think i dont know what i am talking about sure , go ahead.

 

because thats exactly what i am thinking of you right now. 

[Voreian]

2 minutes ago, anunnak said:

 

Yes! his opionon might be biased! Clearly that might be the case. Your analogy is flawed and lacks logic. That's a straw man informal fallacy and doesn't work here. He never attacked me with his CV but he became unicum with it and set a new record after the patch.  Everyone is entitled to an opinion but not every opinion can be valid. As for providing ideeas i already made threads and comments. Statistics are not worthless, news flash, the hole world works on statistics. From the world economy to medicine and  to World of Warships. Citing statistics is not trolling, citing statistics are FACTS. Trolling and bullying is abusing the caps lock key like you do. Shouting here doesn't help your cause. The fact that you played once your Des Moines and you did good and once you did great are anecdotal evidence. You need statistics to make changes, but since you deny reality...kinda hard for you to understand.  

 

Before making dumb comments and make a fool of yourself perhaps try to do more research on how the world works. In any case, i'm sorry if i hurt ur feelings, do you need a safe space? do you need to pet a puppy? I suggest you grow up. Good luck!

Caps lock is not for shouting is for EMPHASISING SOMETHING. 

 

I made a fool out of myself... i doubt it. I even doubt your ability to interpret statistics or even to begin to understand it. 

 

Now.... grow up?? I am at my late 40s and i happen to be currently unmployed due to how world works due to your loved statistics. 

 

Wargaming base their updates and fixes based ON STATISTICS. The world has become a total crap, becuase of statistics, global economy has been turned into utter crap because of statistics among other things. Starving people in Africa or in Asia are statistics?? Deforestation or global warming are statistics?? 

 

Hurt my feelings?? Of course not. You hurt my intellect here. Statistics are made AFTER something has happenned or after something is irrevocably DEAD. That is how you can measure your statistics in the first place. 

 

Not every opinion can be valid??? SUREEEEEEE.....Is the opinion of a politician after being elected on false information or false pretends valid?? Is Trump's opinion more valid than the opinion of a starving Mexican who wants to go to the US. 

 

Here all opinions count, we may need them so as to get different perspectives. I never went personal neither to him nor to you. We are ALL BIASED in a way or another.

 

Intelligent people PREDICT. "I need statistics to make changes"??  NOOOOOOO..... you may need that.... 

 

If the game dies it will be another entry in the statistical category of dead online games.....Statistics show that WoWs have to expand to the console market.... pure ecenomic statistical analysis so as to ensure long term business sustainability and an increase in profits (this is the magic word). 

 

I pay to have a stable, enjoyable, non-toxic game. I PAY (another magic word). I am not here as a test subject, a guinea pig or lab rat. I pay for premium account and premiun ships and instead of enjoying and relaxing on some days off i end up being lectured by.......(OK i dont want this to get personal but i would say unilateral thinkers)  about statistics. 

 

Your statistics and the "business decisions" of WG have resulted in problems for ALL their titles. 

 

Now if your reality says that we should react to someone carrying a gun AFTER he kills some poor bastard because the homicide statistics will get worse then i am sincerely sorry on how you perceive the world. 

 

If WG after 3 years of constant development does not have some sound statistics about the toxicity level of the game rising due to the inbalance created by CVs, or their influence on the game then what is more to say.The guy you picked on with your statistics had the game of his life for a few days, he was enjoying himself cause he got into a position that made his life happier. No problem with that. He enjoyed himself and wants this to keep on. 

 

Is he a bad player overall???  I do not care. Does WG takes into account good players ONLY. Sureeeee....all the CCs opinions were sent down the drain over the past few weeks,

 

Anyway, this is getting too long and i am getting too bored. 

 

Statistics are merely for tweaking a decision and not the primary means of making one. Global warming will be a statistical certainty ONLY AFTER we are dead, but it is currently in working process. 

 

However, you made assumptions about my age, my education, my psychological profile based on statistics??? You didnt ever read properly what i wrote. You may want to stroke a puppy when challenged, pick up an argument.

 

All posts here are revealling changes and mechanisms that are so ill conceived or outright broken that have nothing to do with either statistics or even simple maths. 

 

Regards and keep it cool and (player) statistics out of this.

 

No offense taken, none meant.

 

[NAFO_Merlin68]

Remove this stupid CV rework and put the old one in again.
The rework may be OK on console but not for PC players

[iiDutchy]

Poll - 6th hour update.

 

You can share your thoughts about the update here: https://doodle.com/poll/xv9kku3gdrqfn7vd 

[NothingButTheRain]

1 hour ago, sneakyscotsman said:

Never been a CV player but was playing a bit in the Ryujo and not doing too badly apart from that only really played full AA Mino as im not even taking my DD's out just now.

Logged in to the forums and saw all this and thought cant be that bad surely just played a game in CO-OP and got my arse handed to me by bots LOL,

no idea where my torps went but im pretty sure i managed to shoot down my own squadron with them WTF how do you aim?

Somebody at WG needs their arse kicking for this pile of dung..

Going back to the game to try my mino in random and see if anyone is brave enough to play CV's.

I think the torp bomber time to make an accurate drop is overdone. The difference on my Shokaku is night and day. I haven't been able to try out any of my other ships as I needed 5 battles just to get a win.

And unfortunately I was bottom tier and despite me trying, I ended up at the very bottom of the list, having played a full battle I did a very appaling 5.2k damage with Shokaku.

 

Now I don't mind that AA is stronger now, but with a bottom tier carrier playing a tier 10 battle, there is little for me to do except to spot.

 

And the torp bombers have become a lot less fun to play. I don't even mind of I lose all my planes in my squadron, as someone who put up a good AA defense should be rewarded for this. But needing so much time just to align a torp run, it's just too much. Even a stationary battleship will be able to dodge my torps this way lol.

 

Dive bombers don't seem very useful to me either, they take too much time for a second attack. Actually, a second attack run with dive or torp bombers is a bonus now.

 

And one other annoying thing that came to my attention now, is that right after a drop, I can't even control my remaining torp bombers while they are getting shot at by flak and the perma-aura.

 

So now the only decent attack planes left are the rocket bombers.

 

But all in all: I think carriers should be punished for attempting to attack a dedicated AA ship, and I was punished for it. One game I lost close to 90 planes in shokaku. And I'm ok with AA not being as much just hit and miss anymore.

But I don't really like not being able to control my planes right after a drop, so they continu on a straight course while they get pummeled by AA defense without me being able to do anything about that. At least give me more control on the plane controls right after I made an attack run.

 

And the way torp bombers now attack make carriers significantly less fun to play.