[UPD 11/2] Update 0.8.0.2 Hotfix

[IxxSANDMANxxI]

 

This Video is a joke, isnt it? It looks for me to be a pre-hotfix video - atm u dont need any upgrades against aircraft... i think it would be more great, to drop this video before the hotfix, so a lot more players were able to handle the pre-hotfix mechanics! because the pre-hotfix mechanics shown in this videos made it a good trade - u upgrade ur ships with anti-aircraft and u were able to handle it seriously. when u now upgrade ur ship like this, u are a battlefortress against a CV, that never gets any aircrafts back....

 

prehotfix war okay (just a very few changes are needed), when players would had done like this - but uh.... they had to switch some dps upgrade out...

 

but wtf... did u every seens CVs in real? a CV were able to handle a small fleet by aircrafts... now a CV isnt wasted time in game..

 

i have sold each of my carriers... (use the ingame sell menu) and got a huge load of money and free xp :(

 

the new patch was nice, a great new play-style - hotfix made it a stupid worthless ship, that is more bad than before the patch...

 

thanks for this unbalanced hotfix and useless video

[m3c0]

Nice job Wargaming, you really managed to mess up completely the CVs. With the so called 0.8.0.1 "hotfix" you totally killed the carriers. Playing tier 8 CV against tier 10 was pretty hard anyway, now its just impossible. Sorry but I'm not a masochist and I wont bother anymore at all.

 

And an advice from me (I'm actually a guy who was ready to give you WG guys and your CV rework a chance), because you will never be able to balance the carriers, even in 5 years:

 

Just REMOVE the CVs COMPLETELY from the game!

 

If you have an ill pet, which can't be healed, you don't let it suffer! You just go to a vet and let him end its misery!
 
Wargaming, END THE MISERY of the CVs NOW, remove them finally completely from game!  

 

For now I won't touch WOWS anymore, I don't even play Coop or Operations. Luckily I used the free reskill/retraining/module removing and now the skill points of all my captains are reset, all the aiming and concealment modifications of my ships are removed. All my ships will stay safe in my harbour. Unfortunately I have whole 20 days of premium accout which I will lose, but... So be it. 

[IxxSANDMANxxI]

m3c0, u say it! :)

 

at the end i dont like DDs by the way, they just spam torps at my BB and i dont like fire, cause it burns my BB and i dont like, that enemys can shoot me! WG, can u please nerf everything?

 

*just a bid dark ironic humor!*

 

@everyone

dont forget to look at: https://doodle.com/poll/xv9kku3gdrqfn7vd

 

[Kuritaclan]

9 hours ago, Akagi_Kai said:

 

With the new changes, regarding the planes, AA and Torpedo bomb-aiming, it's basically came down to two things...

 

1. Fly in a straight line, trying to get that acceptable aiming-cone and lose your planes in the progress.

OR

2. Dodge incoming AA, miss your shot due to the massive aiming-cone and lose your planes anyway.

Well. I made a similar statement in the german forum in the information thread of 0.8.0 hotfix announcment on monday the 4th on the first page. After they announced they wanna hotfix the patch in this way,... it was foreseeable, just the numbers were unclear and therefore the size of the impact. Somehow after this hotfix i have the impression the developers don't know the game mechanics they introduced and therefore have no clue how changes pan out. I see this contradiction as a fundamental flaw, and the developers will have a hard time to fix this mess.

Another one is the pulling of every second CV tier, ... how to fix a T8 that can have enemies to go up against from T6 all the way to T10. It is such a big spread, that obviously it wanna [edited]up any balance attempt.

[Gen_Schneider]

so, hotfix to fix a hotfix of a crap that can't be fixed? Well done WG, your descend from awesome game down past mediocre is now firmly in the 'i've uninstalled the game and am looking for a hypnotist to make me forget' zone........

[ScarletReaper]

There are 12 pages of angry posts on this topic and yet no answers from the devs . WG what are you doing?Are you going to respond at all?

[NothingButTheRain]

19 minutes ago, ScarletReaper said:

There are 12 pages of angry posts on this topic and yet no answers from the devs . WG what are you doing?Are you going respond at all?

One problem with many of those angry posters is that they expect to be heard, but don't listen themselves.

They are basically yelling with their fingers in their ears. They are not gonna respond to others themselves. If one is so selfish, how can such a person have any reasonable expectations that they will be taken seriously?

[KazeAmaru]

35 minutes ago, NothingButTheRain said:

One problem with many of those angry posters is that they expect to be heard, but don't listen themselves.

They are basically yelling with their fingers in their ears. They are not gonna respond to others themselves. If one is so selfish, how can such a person have any reasonable expectations that they will be taken seriously?

You have an odd perception of public relations and how they shall be managed by a company.

If people complain, do not answer them at all. Also if you are referring to the vague statement of "Patch, somewhen next week" that is just not cutting it. We need exact numbers, we need the announcement if they gonna prolong the return/hand back policy or not. What about captain retraining, with so much fundamentally wrong with the state of the game, can I wait around and look at the preliminary "final" result or do I need to opt out now and wait until they are done, then decide whether the CVs are worth playing. In fact WG does a pisspoor job at any communication. For example, why cut down the T8 Squadron size if Haku is overperforming. They do not give their insights, that is what making people mad. Also they are very, very slow to react. That AA was overbuffed should have been obvious after one or two day maximum. However now people have to wait for somewhen next week to see their next try. Which, let's be honest, will be crap as well but maybe a tad better than now. So in short why people are angry a) Wargaming doesn't communicate any details as of why they changed the things they did alter, how their reasoning is b) Wargaming is way too slow to react c) Wargaming doesn't listen to suggestion and concern of the community d) Wargaming does not list their planned fixes so people can see the route they are planning to head e) Wargaming does not communicate about the XP/FreeXP refund of carrier if it is extended or not in the wake of the balancing hip and hop they are doing.

[NothingButTheRain]

12 minutes ago, KazeAmaru said:

You have an odd perception of public relations and how they shall be managed by a company.

Ow but wait. I am not a company, nor do I represent them.

 

I was merely voicing my own stance in this. 

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If people complain, do not answer them at all. Also if you are referring to the vague statement of "Patch, somewhen next week" that is just not cutting it. We need exact numbers, we need the announcement if they gonna prolong the return/hand back policy or not. What about captain retraining, with so much fundamentally wrong with the state of the game, can I wait around and look at the preliminary "final" result or do I need to opt out now and wait until they are done, then decide whether the CVs are worth playing. In fact WG does a pisspoor job at any communication. For example, why cut down the T8 Squadron size if Haku is overperforming. They do not give their insights, that is what making people mad. Also they are very, very slow to react. That AA was overbuffed should have been obvious after one or two day maximum. However now people have to wait for somewhen next week to see their next try. Which, let's be honest, will be crap as well but maybe a tad better than now. So in short why people are angry a) Wargaming doesn't communicate any details as of why they changed the things they did alter, how their reasoning is b) Wargaming is way too slow to react c) Wargaming doesn't listen to suggestion and concern of the community d) Wargaming does not list their planned fixes so people can see the route they are planning to head e) Wargaming does not communicate about the XP/FreeXP refund of carrier if it is extended or not in the wake of the balancing hip and hop they are doing.

And this sure beats maybe 80% or more of the complaining in this tread.

 

I take it kinda lightly. The first week was for me an excellent opportunity to do some of the carrier campaign missions. Especially the 100 spots because so much easier with the release of 8.0 

 

And what I also often see is that people see themselves as helpless victims or something. DD main complaining? I'd say playing only a single class is a choice.

Complaining about too many carriers to fight against? There's ranked, coop (bots currently don't even use planes or carriers) and operations.

Yes it's more limited but there are options. I'm not one to quickly complain and instead I try to make the best of this well...open beta or whatever it is.

 

Yes, it's messy but I'm not responsible for this. Yes, I truely believe that some of the stuff can't be tested when not on the live server. It's faster and more accurate to do it this way. I also make game patches and have others test it for me and give me back feedback to which I make changes. Of course I also test myself.

 

I can certainly see where @Sub_Octavian is coming from here, as I recognise the workflow when I'm doing the same stuff. So I believe him when he shows his thinkflow as to why it's done this way.

 

The FXP is not extended, it should last for like another month or so? It was 50 or so days last time I checked in my inventory.

 

Many of the complaints are of people that can't even read. How can you carry such potatoes? It's impossible.

 

Let me give you my bold interpretation of your points:

 

a) Wargaming doesn't communicate any details as of why they changed the things they did alter, how their reasoning is

Yes, Wargaming does com,municate any details as to why they changed the things they did alter and how their reasoning is. The only potential problem I see here is that the information seems to be a bit spread out (reddit, forum, during streams, website, ingame news, etc).

b) Wargaming is way too slow to react

What's too slow?

c) Wargaming doesn't listen to suggestion and concern of the community

They do. But they choose to not service everyone making suggestions, as this would of course be impossible (I'm not beforehand exclusing other possible reasons btw).

d) Wargaming does not list their planned fixes so people can see the route they are planning to head

The end result is to make carriers a balanced addition to the game. That's their goal. And the part to that goal, that one is not set in stone. And frankly, I don't care how it is attained, as long as it works.

e) Wargaming does not communicate about the XP/FreeXP refund of carrier if it is extended or not in the wake of the balancing hip and hop they are doing.

Yes they do. And like I said, where's the problem here? This FXP refund should last another 50 days or so? That's more thena  full patch later. Why would you NEED news about it being even further extended right now? Why even?

[KazeAmaru]

11 minutes ago, NothingButTheRain said:

Ow but wait. I am not a company, nor do I represent them.

 

I was merely voicing my own stance in this. 

And this sure beats maybe 80% or more of the complaining in this tread.

 

I take it kinda lightly. The first week was for me an excellent opportunity to do some of the carrier campaign missions. Especially the 100 spots because so much easier with the release of 8.0 

 

And what I also often see is that people see themselves as helpless victims or something. DD main complaining? I'd say playing only a single class is a choice.

Complaining about too many carriers to fight against? There's ranked, coop (bots currently don't even use planes or carriers) and operations.

Yes it's more limited but there are options. I'm not one to quickly complain and instead I try to make the best of this well...open beta or whatever it is.

 

Yes, it's messy but I'm not responsible for this. Yes, I truely believe that some of the stuff can't be tested when not on the live server. It's faster and more accurate to do it this way. I also make game patches and have others test it for me and give me back feedback to which I make changes. Of course I also test myself.

 

I can certainly see where @Sub_Octavian is coming from here, as I recognise the workflow when I'm doing the same stuff. So I believe him when he shows his thinkflow as to why it's done this way.

 

The FXP is not extended, it should last for like another month or so? It was 50 or so days last time I checked in my inventory.

 

Many of the complaints are of people that can't even read. How can you carry such potatoes? It's impossible.

 

Let me give you my bold interpretation of your points:

 

a) Wargaming doesn't communicate any details as of why they changed the things they did alter, how their reasoning is

Yes, Wargaming does com,municate any details as to why they changed the things they did alter and how their reasoning is. The only potential problem I see here is that the information seems to be a bit spread out (reddit, forum, during streams, website, ingame news, etc).

b) Wargaming is way too slow to react

What's too slow?

c) Wargaming doesn't listen to suggestion and concern of the community

They do. But they choose to not service everyone making suggestions, as this would of course be impossible (I'm not beforehand exclusing other possible reasons btw).

d) Wargaming does not list their planned fixes so people can see the route they are planning to head

The end result is to make carriers a balanced addition to the game. That's their goal. And the part to that goal, that one is not set in stone. And frankly, I don't care how it is attained, as long as it works.

e) Wargaming does not communicate about the XP/FreeXP refund of carrier if it is extended or not in the wake of the balancing hip and hop they are doing.

Yes they do. And like I said, where's the problem here? This FXP refund should last another 50 days or so? That's more thena  full patch later. Why would you NEED news about it being even further extended right now? Why even?

a) Spreading communication out, planting them on several different communication channels so one has to be reading all to be in the loop, is still bad practice.
b) As I said, the AA overbuff was noticeable mere hours after release, statistics should have been ready a day or two later ( as it was not a "subtle" mistake so it was obvious ). Fix still is not coming until far next week. That is very slow (considering that a class has been completely nullified and made unplayable, our company would rate this a "6" Major bug, needs attending asap ( meaning overhours )
c) The CC said it is crap, closed test testers like myself were ignored, statistics were reread to be positive. ( I think it was 37% said no to the rework, 43 % or so Yes with BIG buts, rest were okay with it. WG said over 50% like it ).
d) No they need to list it. So people can plan for the changes, is small AA going to be the go to or the large caliber AA? Is AA ship A going to be buffed/nerfed. People may want it because of its characteristics and thus if they are changed, they are not desirable anymore.
e) Of course, if it ends soon, I am gonna take the refund and then after half a year I can drop back in to decide whether carriers are worth it. If the refund ends whilst they are still doing their balancing, it is not fair for those who own a CV. Thus the balancing, as WG says it is "final" must be done first before the refund period ends.

[NothingButTheRain]

6 ore fa, KazeAmaru ha scritto:

a) Spreading communication out, planting them on several different communication channels so one has to be reading all to be in the loop, is still bad practice.
b) As I said, the AA overbuff was noticeable mere hours after release, statistics should have been ready a day or two later ( as it was not a "subtle" mistake so it was obvious ). Fix still is not coming until far next week. That is very slow (considering that a class has been completely nullified and made unplayable, our company would rate this a "6" Major bug, needs attending asap ( meaning overhours )
c) The CC said it is crap, closed test testers like myself were ignored, statistics were reread to be positive. ( I think it was 37% said no to the rework, 43 % or so Yes with BIG buts, rest were okay with it. WG said over 50% like it ).
d) No they need to list it. So people can plan for the changes, is small AA going to be the go to or the large caliber AA? Is AA ship A going to be buffed/nerfed. People may want it because of its characteristics and thus if they are changed, they are not desirable anymore.
e) Of course, if it ends soon, I am gonna take the refund and then after half a year I can drop back in to decide whether carriers are worth it. If the refund ends whilst they are still doing their balancing, it is not fair for those who own a CV. Thus the balancing, as WG says it is "final" must be done first before the refund period ends.

I know. But like I said, I'm not representing them. I'm merely saying what I can tell from the limited sources that are available to me. I'm a mere drop in the sea.

 

I already taken the refund of all my t10 and t8 carriers. I had a nice amount of XP on Ranger and over 500m XP on Ryujo, so I could buy Shokaku back right away. But of course I can't sell Shokaku back for FXP a second time or I'd be able to convert all 500m XP locked on Ryujo to FXP.

But I converted and used the 200% to get some of the XP back already.

And if I end up not liking carriers, I can always go play other classes or other gamemodes. Or other games, I'm free to do so.

 

So I played a game with Ranger now. I was bottom tier and....no. Just no.

When I send a squadron of planes towards and enemy and I end up going from 7k hp to 2k hp BEFORE I EVEN START MY FIRST ATTACK...useless. Just totally useless.

 

Nope. No. Shokaku is already heavilly disadvantaged when bottom tier but Ranger when bottom tier, I might as well go suicide it's literally a waste of time how it is right now

 

EDIT:

Results just in. I ungraciously went afk seeing my team had this in the pocket.

But really? RAELLY?

 

LAST PLACE? I FRACKIN LOST 41 PLANES FOR --> THIS <-- ????

 

I'm last place BY A LARGE MARGIN. I'm not doing this, this is a waste of time. This is a disgrace. And not because I sucked or because I slacked. Find some other payed betatesters for this. Nope! I'm out!

[Borislav_Boyanov]

hellow
Nothing happens to the aircraft carriers, they are dead!
Better remove them from the technical tree, much to lose with them, and I play with a prize in victory, and such a great loss of credit.
This is a mockery, the game with them is killed.
If you enter to play with them, you waste your time, and you screw up your team, useless.
DMG NOOB

[DenmarkRadar]

I can only answer you this way...

 

Aerroon does the "No UI"-challenge in the Haruryu

 

... and somehow WG still thinks that this can be brought to work with minor changes... 

[Voreian]

Hotfix of the hotfix of the coldfix (i.e. rework).I look forward to the green, red and yellow fixes but my personal best is this fix. 

 

Cheers. Another week of sorrow and misery for many of us.

[ZWC]

Anybody happy with the limited time to adapt all your commanders towards the new (still in work) system?

btw. it says from 8 till 11..... but ingame on discount tagg, it says... only a few minutes left 

 

[Pr1cken]

Well this pic say it all. CV did not do much to dmg. Dmg came 90% from other ships.

Yes I know I was T8 and CVs was T6 but I shot down almost every single plan they used to attack me with.

And it was wave after wave after wave.

[DrJohn1]

Since the update I can't access the game at all.

[Master_Mariner]

I would suggest a small change to Hakuryu here: the J5N torpedo Upgrade which has only two Torpedobombers attack at a time, change it that 3 Bombers attack at the time and reduce squadron size from 12 to 9 with that upgrade.

[bondone]

6 hours ago, DrJohn1 said:

Since the update I can't access the game at all.

FUBAR !

[Hicks__D]

STRIKE CV, until they fix this.

[NothingButTheRain]

18 hours ago, ZWC said:

Anybody happy with the limited time to adapt all your commanders towards the new (still in work) system?

btw. it says from 8 till 11..... but ingame on discount tagg, it says... only a few minutes left 

 

Discount is gone now. I had noticed the same yesterday and was equally confused lol.

I ended up removing my captains from my carriers and replacing with spare commanders. Currently I don't find playing CV much fun anyway and I didn't want some of my better commanders being stuck on ships I don't even like to play.

[1MajorKoenig]

When is the second hotfix about to

land?

 

CVs are not much fun against this overbuffed AA

[ZWC]

2 hours ago, NothingButTheRain said:

Discount is gone now. I had noticed the same yesterday and was equally confused lol.

I ended up removing my captains from my carriers and replacing with spare commanders. Currently I don't find playing CV much fun anyway and I didn't want some of my better commanders being stuck on ships I don't even like to play.

Yes, I did take all the upgrades off almost all my ships and all commanders are skill-less atm.
Will have to play only one off each kind till it's clear how to retrain commanders per duty.
Same for upgrades they carry.

Did advice this to my friends and my son.
He was not able to play much (lots of work (job)), so he could-not try / test the new game-play.

We just will not use our gold to re-train and time in finding the new set-up till these "fixes" are done properly.

 

But thanks for sharing you noticed the same... and solve it the same way.

 

[Adm_Ballsey]

"To allow you to adapt your Commanders and ships to the new carrier gameplay as comfortably as possible, from February 8 to February 11, you’ll be able to retrain your Commanders, redistribute their skill points and demount modernizations for free. This event includes all Commanders and ships, regardless of specialization or class."

Well not to be a moany pants but it's now the 11th and we can no longer change our builds as stated specifically in the patch notes.
I was waiting until today with a lot of captains to make my mind up about certain changes and now I can't change any builds or demount/change upgrades.
With all these hotfixes going on it's obvious a lot of the game is currently in flux. Please have the decency to allow players to make the according changes to compensate to captains/builds without making us pay for it. It stinks.

Please in future keep your word wargaming!

[Zalama]

"To allow you to adapt your Commanders and ships to the new carrier gameplay as comfortably as possible, from February 8 to February 11, you’ll be able to retrain your Commanders, redistribute their skill points and demount modernizations for free. This event includes all Commanders and ships, regardless of specialization or class."

 

Today is Feb 11 but retraining is not anymore available!  If it never was supposed to include Feb 11 then it should been February 8 to February 10.