Something interesting from the Russian forums

[rage1750]

In relation to the discussed Giulio Cesare nerf found here.

 

Something interesting on the Russian forum from SubOctavian in a similar thread discussing proposed Giulio Cesare nerf:

https://forum.worldofwarships.ru/topic/123372-закрытое-тестирование-премиум-корабли-и-советские-линкоры/?do=findComment&comment=5355954

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  Today at 2:58 PM, user XPAM0BHuK said:

GREAT NEWS!!!! Just one question for you, why the hell do I need your “tugriks”? I bought a specific ship, with specific TTX which was located at a specific level for REAL (albeit not a lot of money).

And that means "Caesar" oppression, yes oppression, no questions. And "Kamikaze" is not oppression? A "thundering" is not oppression? What are these double standards? If you look at the statistics on the same "Kamikaze", though not official, but made by your current employee (Z1OOO), and compared with classmates, then this is terrible and the pit is !!!! And you are fine. Bravo, I applaud standing!

Not all at once. Cesare is just the first in the queue, if it turns out to be repaired, it is quite possible that we will deal with other most imbalanced ships, but without haste. 

 

 

Maybe something is lost in translation?

 

Draw your own conclusions 

[Ubertron_X]

[hellhound666]

8 minutes ago, rage1750 said:

In relation to the discussed Giulio Cesare nerf found here.

 

Something interesting on the Russian forum from SubOctavian in a similar thread discussing proposed Giulio Cesare nerf:

https://forum.worldofwarships.ru/topic/123372-закрытое-тестирование-премиум-корабли-и-советские-линкоры/?do=findComment&comment=5355954

 

Maybe something is lost in translation?

 

Draw your own conclusions 

pretty accurate - thundering = grema

[Armorin]

12 minutes ago, Ubertron_X said:

 

I see the tool didn't break itself on the Yue Yang then ?

[RUSSIANBlAS]

WG's meltdown is kinda funny...

 

What else can they do to annoy and alienate the community I wonder?

 

 

[rage1750]

1 minute ago, Negativvv said:

What else can they do to annoy and alienate the community I wonder?

 

 

 

Balance the Belfast by giving her 32mm plating, Fiji torps and a Nelson heal?  

 

Sounds crazy but I think all bets are off at this point 

[Miscommunication_dept]

Spent soo much money on santa crates and now they nerf the reason I did so.

 

This really is the bait and switch!

[Allied_Winter]

1 minute ago, rage1750 said:

Balance the Belfast by giving her 32mm plating, Fiji torps and a Nelson heal?

If that happens, I wouldn't mind if they put her at T8. Or T6 ... just for good measure

[Armorin]

3 minutes ago, Negativvv said:

WG's meltdown is kinda funny...

 

What else can they do to annoy and alienate the community I wonder?

 

Don't worry, Le Terrible, Duke of Yawn and Prinz Eidle Fedup will still be on sale.

But if you buy loads of Super Containers, you may get a Payfast, or just end up in Missery. It just a game of Kutuzov.

[Major_Damage225]

6 minutes ago, Allied_Winter said:

If that happens, I wouldn't mind if they put her at T8. Or T6 ... just for good measure

Nah thats T2 material at best 

[RUSSIANBlAS]

11 minutes ago, rage1750 said:

 

Balance the Belfast by giving her 32mm plating, Fiji torps and a Nelson heal?  

 

Sounds crazy but I think all bets are off at this point 

A rebuilt Missouri doesn't sound so stupid now no. Some Cruise Missiles and those automatic Minigun turrets to crush CV planes 

[Akula971]

This is how it works, and always has. To make lots of money you make a premium vehicle (tank, plane, ship). You give it really good characteristics and get a bunch of YouTubers to sing its praises, they are the unwitting shills. You make loads of cash selling it as everyone wants the wonder weapon to win in games. You organise events once the main herd has been milked, so that players grind for a "wonder" weapon. To maintain the facade, you produce some "premium" ships that are really sub-par. These are often reskinned items with minimal design work and cost or just a clone.

 

Then when those products have had all the cash wringed out of them, you change the game, change parameters to make them either poor or just average. With others you create artificial scarcity, never to be sold again, no longer on sale as too O/P. BUT you offer them in gambling boxes in the hope that you may get one, think Belfast, Type 59. Its a trap of course. And you know its a trap. You know from the previous behaviour of the company, its how it works. They have to make money somehow, premium ships, gold, premium time, etc. Free to play? Only free cheese is in mouse trap, as my Russian ex used to say.

 

You pay for your entertainment, either in hard cash or in hours spent in game. If you consider that a premium ship on its own costs about £30, and you may play it, have fun for a year or two, or even a month, it is not bad value. Dependant upon your level of disposable income naturally.

 

Surprised? No. Disappointed? yes.

[Armorin]

5 minutes ago, Negativvv said:

A rebuilt Missouri doesn't sound so stupid now no. Some Cruise Missiles and those automatic Minigun turrets to crush CV planes 

 

I'll buy HMS Vanguard. When it is re-released as a premium sub.

[Miscommunication_dept]

I received a 30% coupon from Wargaming and I was thinking of buying the Vanguard and nearly did this morning.

 

I just can't do it now, I need to know what I am getting before parting with my money.

 

I have found Wargaming to be fair in general so I'm hoping this is a move to protect new players, with this change tier 4s will no longer see the Guilio Cesare with a 19pt captain.

If this is the case and as long they are planning to give slight upgrades I might be able to get behind them but as stated in the blog and with the further suggestions of premium nerfs it makes me very uncomfortable spending any more money on this game.

 

[Aragathor]

At least WG is honest about upcoming nerfs to premium ships they advertised in Santa Crates, bait and switch. This will have consequences, as it will kill any trust people have in them.

Looking at reddit, i'm now certain that WG is playing Russian roulette with a pistol. Every shot is a jackpot.

 

PS: I'm now sorry for spending money on WoWS in the last few months. Could have used that money on games that aren't being killed by their own devs.

[Chiledip]

One thing after another with WG. No more premiums for me, really would be stupid if I ever buy another. 

[MRGTB]

22 minutes ago, gopher31 said:

I just can't do it now, I need to know what I am getting before parting with my money.

Not seeing many Vanguard being played nowadays in matches, that should tell you something. Don't think it was ever that popular as a premium ship to use, it didn't have that much going for it really. Good rudder shift time and that's about all. Bad shooting angles, you need show some broadside most of the time to get 8 guns fired and then is known for being weak if getting hit broadside with AP. It's speed is nothing special at 30 knots, it lacks gun power with only 8 guns used, neither is gun range at around 19k anything to shout about when it's going to face a lot of T10 matches.

 

Reading the ships stats it never did look anything, other than being a typical average British ship. Wouldn't be so bad if they'd have given it some more secondary guns than British ships usually do get as a selling feature., give it both good AA and Secondary guns... but oh no.

[anonym_JSqwZct68BEw]

44 minutes ago, gopher31 said:

Spent soo much money on santa crates and now they nerf the reason I did so.

 

This really is the bait and switch!

 

5 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

At least WG is honest about upcoming nerfs to premium ships they advertised in Santa Crates, bait and switch. This will have consequences, as it will kill any trust people have in them.

Looking at reddit, i'm now certain that WG is playing Russian roulette with a pistol. Every shot is a jackpot.

 

PS: I'm now sorry for spending money on WoWS in the last few months. Could have used that money on games that aren't being killed by their own devs.

 

But Santa bags was not gambling they said

 

Every bag gave the value you paid they said

 

Don't see why your complaining you still gave/had every single item that your money paid for.

 

 

[thiextar]

Im perfectly fine with this IF and only IF they offer a full monetary refund. Not doubloons, which are completely useless, and is basically them telling you "You bought x ship for real money, but we are nerfing it, here you can chose between some crappy ships that we left in the tech tree as a compensation"

 

A doubloon refund is basically the same thing as no refund at all, either you get a nerfed ship, or some other ship, but not the one you payed for, and not your money back.

[Data_Unavailable]

On the one hand, there are good reasons to nerf certain ships (Belfast, Kamikaze, GC, Kutu). These ships entered the game overtuned and WG should have been aware of that, but after they sold them it was too late and they were sent to the naughty corner and weren't available anymore. So actually nerfing them and improve overall game balance is a great idea.

On the other hand, nerfing single premiums sold for real money is a risky move, especially after the turmoil of 0.8.0 and all the balance and meta changes it brought. It is very poor timing to bring it to the table right now.
And the question of when this was discussed within the dev team is also a point for me, as the "OP ships" were a big point of sale for the santa crates. Using them as bait to announce nerfing shortly after is very offending to all players who invested money for a chance on those ships.

[MRGTB]

11 minutes ago, H1ghl0w said:

On the one hand, there are good reasons to nerf certain ships (Belfast, Kamikaze, GC, Kutu).

In what way would they nerf Belfast?

 

The only thing people call OP about that ship, is the fact it can shoot HE rounds and not AP rounds only like the tech tree stock ships can only do. To be honest, I find the Cruiser line at T6/7/8 pretty bad for that reason, that they can't choose between HE/AP

[thiextar]

3 minutes ago, MRGTB said:

In what way would they nerf Belfast?

 

The only thing people call OP about that ship, is the fact it can shoot HE rounds and not AP rounds only like the tech tree stock ships can only do.

Hello smokeradar

[Data_Unavailable]

4 minutes ago, MRGTB said:

In what way would they nerf Belfast? 

Make her T8 and let her join her sister Edinburgh. Or make her choose between smoke and radar and take away some of the utility.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Payfast just needs the concealment module removed as it's stupid a T7 ship behind a PayWall is allowed to equip it (looking at Z39 too but that ship isn't blatantly OP).

 

Take the concealment module off and see what "data" comes back then maybe balance again.

[MRGTB]

7 minutes ago, H1ghl0w said:

Make her T8 and let her join her sister Edinburgh. Or make her choose between smoke and radar and take away some of the utility.

It's a Cruiser, so having a radar isn't really any different from a lot of other cruisers having one. If they took away that from the Belfast, then surely they should take away the radar from the Missouri.

 

I wonder how many people would like to see that one happen though.