[RL7S] Alex_Connor Players 248 posts 3,311 battles Report post #401 Posted February 7, 2019 2 hours ago, MrConway said: To make it work at tier 4 we would have had to nerf it significantly, whenever possible we prefer to change the tier rather than make extreme adjustments to shoehorn it in somewhere else. And while it is lacking some HP at the moment, that can still be adjusted :) But look at the current tier 5 BBs... Viribus Unitis is a first generation pre-WW1 dreadnought with 12in (305mm) guns, low speed, low tech, is that ship really supposed to be the equal of the modernised Kongo class? Iron Duke or Texas as much bigger super-dreadnoughts with 10x 13.5in or 14in guns? Modernised October Revolution or Koenig? Real VU is tier 4 material at best, Orion would be substantially more powerfull, if ingame the ship is performing as a tier 5 something has gone wrong creating stats. Better to reduce stealth etc and leave Viribus Unitis at tier 4 with its historical contemporaries than in tier 5 where it will have to face Scharnhorst and King George V. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WG] MrConway WG Staff, Alpha Tester 3,411 posts 4,389 battles Report post #402 Posted February 7, 2019 39 minutes ago, Mr_Snoww said: or just leave it as it is... if you change it there will be people wanting cash refunds We were talking about an unreleased ship, nobody has it ;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MORIA] quickr Players 1,953 posts 25,232 battles Report post #403 Posted February 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, CptBarney said: people do buy things without testing or checking whats your point? There was no point. There was me asking a genuine question and you quoted me without knowing the answer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CRM2B] Toxoplasmosi Players 369 posts 12,552 battles Report post #404 Posted February 7, 2019 11 minuti fa, Grandexeno ha scritto: Besides, in all the low tier matches I played where there was a GC, I didn't see it so overwhelming. Is not, you right, it has agility and concealment that's all. If you go simply around the map and pew pew pew... because you have a GC... you are sinked soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[S-518] vanghelis72 Players 4 posts 13,952 battles Report post #405 Posted February 7, 2019 DEAR WG, We warn the WG is about to leave the strike of the Italians WoWs players: zero expenses, zero purchases of doubts indefinitely. Next step will be to not connect to the game indefinitely. The Italians are erected, do not bend at 45 ° to the wargame! WE are tired to see this game destroyed and we dont want to see GC destroyed! I payed its in euro! I want EUROS non stupid Doblons! You make a contract with us! You cant change the contract becouse you ........ (CENSURED!) 4 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Blixies Beta Tester, Players 2,160 posts 6,904 battles Report post #406 Posted February 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, vanghelis72 said: The Italians are erected And if they're not, at least they are up straight! Also, when did you become an official spokesman for Italy? 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OP-X] Dehtre Beta Tester 104 posts 10,420 battles Report post #407 Posted February 7, 2019 The problem existed for well over a year, yet now WG decides to fix it... The timing is very unfair considering WG just indirectly sold this ship in Santa Crates. I would even go as far as calling it unnacceptable. If the change goes live I will become much more sceptical about any future premium ship purchases. @MrConway Maybe WG should consider longer and more thorough live testing of new premium ships to avoid this kind of mistakes in the future. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BuccaneerBill Players 513 posts 11,276 battles Report post #408 Posted February 8, 2019 On 2/5/2019 at 7:36 PM, ColonelPete said: Fuso, New Mexiko, Normandie... Umm all of which have better or far better guns than Cesare. But ok, put out non arguments. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,155 battles Report post #409 Posted February 8, 2019 14 minutes ago, BuccaneerBill said: Umm all of which have better or far better guns than Cesare. But ok, put out non arguments. It helps to look at the data. Normandie: GC has much better dispersion, much better HE, higher AP Alpha per gun and more penetration up to slightly over 10km, with a change of the drag values GC would be better at all ranges Fuso: GC has much better dispersion, GC has lower damage HE with much better fire chance, GC does slightly less AP damage per gun, but has near idential penetration to Fuso at close range, with a change of the drag values GC would have similar penetration to Fuso at all ranges New Mex: GC has once again much better dispersion (the reason GC is that strong), GC has nearly the same HE Alpha with much higher fire chance, AP wise New Mex is indeed stronger, but with a change of the drag values GC would have only slightly weaker AP penetration. All ships overmatch 21mm, none overmatch 25mm. The guns would work on Tier VI. With a change of drag values, the guns would be strong on Tier VI, thx to the extremly good dispersion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puxflacet Players 1,694 posts 3,784 battles Report post #410 Posted February 8, 2019 The test ship at T6 will be named "Giunio Bruto"...what an irony. it seems that they are really planning to kill this ship... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SM0KE] Verblonde Players 9,787 posts 20,620 battles Report post #411 Posted February 8, 2019 On 2/7/2019 at 10:08 AM, vanghelis72 said: The Italians are erected Seek medical attention if painful, or lasts longer than four hours... (Edit: seems this may be a historical thing: https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2014/aug/28/top-10-codpieces-in-art - lots of Italians in here) 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SHAD] Miscommunication_dept Players 5,512 posts 24,423 battles Report post #412 Posted February 8, 2019 2 hours ago, ColonelPete said: It helps to look at the data. Normandie: GC has much better dispersion, much better HE, higher AP Alpha per gun and more penetration up to slightly over 10km, with a change of the drag values GC would be better at all ranges Fuso: GC has much better dispersion, GC has lower damage HE with much better fire chance, GC does slightly less AP damage per gun, but has near idential penetration to Fuso at close range, with a change of the drag values GC would have similar penetration to Fuso at all ranges New Mex: GC has once again much better dispersion (the reason GC is that strong), GC has nearly the same HE Alpha with much higher fire chance, AP wise New Mex is indeed stronger, but with a change of the drag values GC would have only slightly weaker AP penetration. All ships overmatch 21mm, none overmatch 25mm. The guns would work on Tier VI. With a change of drag values, the guns would be strong on Tier VI, thx to the extremly good dispersion. giulio cesare dispersion is worse than the Fusi and normandie. Do you mean Sigma? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BanzaiPiluso Players 1,217 posts 13,126 battles Report post #413 Posted February 8, 2019 I am half Italian and definitely not erected. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BYOB] Aragathor Players 7,047 posts 32,274 battles Report post #414 Posted February 8, 2019 14 minutes ago, puxflacet said: The test ship at T6 will be named "Giunio Bruto"...what an irony. it seems that they are really planning to kill this ship... Please tell me you're joking... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,155 battles Report post #415 Posted February 8, 2019 23 minutes ago, gopher31 said: giulio cesare dispersion is worse than the Fusi and normandie. Do you mean Sigma? I mean the resulting dispersion. That means everything that is used for calculating it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SHAD] Miscommunication_dept Players 5,512 posts 24,423 battles Report post #416 Posted February 8, 2019 d 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puxflacet Players 1,694 posts 3,784 battles Report post #417 Posted February 8, 2019 40 minutes ago, Aragathor said: Please tell me you're joking... ballsy WG, ballsy ... 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BYOB] Aragathor Players 7,047 posts 32,274 battles Report post #418 Posted February 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, puxflacet said: ballsy WG, ballsy ... What's next? Release date 15th of March? 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Humorpalanta ∞ Players 2,025 posts 13,785 battles Report post #419 Posted February 8, 2019 On 2/7/2019 at 4:08 PM, vanghelis72 said: The Italians are erected Solution: 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SM0KE] Verblonde Players 9,787 posts 20,620 battles Report post #420 Posted February 8, 2019 24 minutes ago, puxflacet said: ballsy WG, ballsy ... +1 for style, anyway... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BuccaneerBill Players 513 posts 11,276 battles Report post #421 Posted February 8, 2019 4 hours ago, ColonelPete said: It helps to look at the data. Normandie: GC has much better dispersion, much better HE, higher AP Alpha per gun and more penetration up to slightly over 10km, with a change of the drag values GC would be better at all ranges Fuso: GC has much better dispersion, GC has lower damage HE with much better fire chance, GC does slightly less AP damage per gun, but has near idential penetration to Fuso at close range, with a change of the drag values GC would have similar penetration to Fuso at all ranges New Mex: GC has once again much better dispersion (the reason GC is that strong), GC has nearly the same HE Alpha with much higher fire chance, AP wise New Mex is indeed stronger, but with a change of the drag values GC would have only slightly weaker AP penetration. All ships overmatch 21mm, none overmatch 25mm. The guns would work on Tier VI. With a change of drag values, the guns would be strong on Tier VI, thx to the extremly good So you have essentially agreed with what I said by saying the guns would need a significant buff, and didnt even mention the Normandie, Fuso and New Mex all have 12 guns, to Cesare's 10. Good Job! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,155 battles Report post #422 Posted February 8, 2019 35 minutes ago, BuccaneerBill said: So you have essentially agreed with what I said by saying the guns would need a significant buff, and didnt even mention the Normandie, Fuso and New Mex all have 12 guns, to Cesare's 10. Good Job! We are talking about guns, not the ships. And no, that would be a small change. The GC has guns and shells from the thirties with drag values from WW1. I guess that was an attempt by WG to get the GC performance under control. The guns ARE far more accurate than the other guns, which is a bit unhistorical. Normandie guns would be left behind even without a change. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-TPF-] invicta2012 Players 6,382 posts 26,814 battles Report post #423 Posted February 8, 2019 2 hours ago, puxflacet said: ballsy WG, ballsy ... Hmm. Looks too much like Normandie to be a keeper. With Dunkerque at Tier VI as well, it needs a trick of its own: AA buffs, maybe? I know Conte Di Cavour was meant to have a late-war AA suite, maybe they should just bite the bullet and make GC into CDC? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DC_DK] hgbn_dk Players 3,370 posts 44,324 battles Report post #424 Posted February 8, 2019 Can't see the fuss to be honest. I paid for a Tier-V bought on Christmas sale year before last year and end up getting a very cheap Tier VI. I wont mind if it's being balanced. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ROBOT] philsta Players 82 posts 9,693 battles Report post #425 Posted February 8, 2019 I seem to remember most of the CC's said that the GC was overpowered well before it went live but WG wanted some cash so did nothing, maybe sales are down now so they want to nerf it and then bring out a "New and Improved" GC so they can pick your pockets some more? Maybe it also as some others have said, this is a test nerf of a premium, if they can pull this off without too much of a revolt they'll do it to a load more, maybe they'll even nerf a few OP Russian premium ships? lol somehow I think the Russians will be missing from the nerf list... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
