[CRM2B] Toxoplasmosi Players 369 posts 12,552 battles Report post #376 Posted February 7, 2019 HANDS OFF from Giulio Cesare!!! 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CBS] Allied_Winter Players 6,242 posts 10,755 battles Report post #377 Posted February 7, 2019 20 minutes ago, Gojuadorai said: heres a porsche voucher But what if, this voucher is valid for ANY new Porsche? Heck you could even upgrade from a 'crappy' 911 to a GT2 ... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Gojuadorai Players 2,832 posts 21,712 battles Report post #378 Posted February 7, 2019 8 minutes ago, Allied_Winter said: But what if, this voucher is valid for ANY new Porsche? Heck you could even upgrade from a 'crappy' 911 to a GT2 ... by giving them MORE money and then having the same thing done to you again? no thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CBS] Allied_Winter Players 6,242 posts 10,755 battles Report post #379 Posted February 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Gojuadorai said: by giving them MORE money and then having the same thing done to you again? How are you giving them more money if you're using a voucher for a GT2? Maybe I should've clarified: The voucher would entitle you to choose ANY Porsche FOR FREE after THEY Botched up your existing Porsche. Sure would be A$$ if you own a 918 Spyder that they wrecked, but in that case a double voucher would be more appropriate. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Gojuadorai Players 2,832 posts 21,712 battles Report post #380 Posted February 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, Allied_Winter said: How are you giving them more money if you're using a voucher for a GT2? i was getting at the analogy that to get a better ship via dubloons you would need to spend extra ;-) IF you even have ANY ship that youre interested in.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RONIN] cienfuegos7777 Players 38 posts 13,241 battles Report post #381 Posted February 7, 2019 biggest fear i have saw that in other online games that they use the argument of balancing just for a sales tactic nerf old "OP" premiums as soon as sales drop (santa crates sale over) release new ones ... so it may be in reality just another lie that they are now so concerned about a balanced game in the middle of the catastrophe called CV rework reminder again a lot of people paid much money to get them trough santa crates 3 weeks after the sale ends they announce that they probably look into rebalancing all of them starting with GC .... main resaon to buy santa crates was to get those "rare" ships if those ships get rebalanced they go on regular sale again so question do u believe a company wich acts like that when they say its about balancing for the greater good of the game ..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CBS] Allied_Winter Players 6,242 posts 10,755 battles Report post #382 Posted February 7, 2019 16 minutes ago, cienfuegos7777 said: biggest fear i have saw that in other online games that they use the argument of balancing just for a sales tactic nerf old "OP" premiums as soon as sales drop Yeah... that's why I understand when peopl vote with their wallet. Or ... make the refund options SO harsh on WG's end, that it works as a deterrent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] __Helmut_Kohl__ Beta Tester 4,156 posts 18,918 battles Report post #383 Posted February 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Allied_Winter said: Yeah... that's why I understand when peopl vote with their wallet. Or ... make the refund options SO harsh on WG's end, that it works as a deterrent. Using the refund doesn't hurt them, as they have basically sold you doubloons for your money then. If they don't refund money, they cannot be trusted anymore. 9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CBS] Allied_Winter Players 6,242 posts 10,755 battles Report post #384 Posted February 7, 2019 Just now, __Helmut_Kohl__ said: Using the refund doesn't hurt them Are you sure about that? The way I see it: If they e.g. hand out 100k Dubloons + 1 year premium time + 50k of steel + 5 premium ships of choice to players as compensation. Then these players won't buy anything within the next year. Because they have everything! Premium time? Sorted, no need to buy more. Dubloons? Sorted, no need to buy more. 50k steel? Sorted, no need to play toxic ranked anymore AND can spam the servers with reward ships. Premium ships? Sorted, no need to buy more. Sure that example is quite a tad on the ridiculous side, but you do get my sentiment? Giving players back cash hurts WG's current stockpile on money. Which I think is large enough to not even be notice the money returning to the players. However not buying stuff for a year? I'm pretty sure that a hampered overall cashflow works as a better deterrent. Of course: I can be wrong here! 4 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said: If they don't refund money, they cannot be trusted anymore. Fair point which I can respect. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WG] MrConway WG Staff, Alpha Tester 3,411 posts 4,389 battles Report post #385 Posted February 7, 2019 17 hours ago, Seiranko said: Tell me what T6 cruiser would have 25 mm all-round, reinforced deck, repair party, 45k hp, an internal bow that prevents citadels from getting the bow overmatched, BB-grade belt...? Frankly, apart from the hp pool, this ship is tankier than the PEF. I know it might be slightly off-topic, but on the matter of retiering strong ships, might I ask what led to the decision to try fit Viribus Unitis into T5 instead of nerfing her at T4? While GC only has a 3k gap in hp to the next lowest, VU ends up with almost double that gap, while also being very slow. As the ship isn't out, it should also be far easier to not distort an established player experience as such does not yet exist. And it seemed clear that what made it so brutal at T4 was the concealment and armour, where it's rather easy to fix one of the two and leave the other to make up for terrible speed and low hp pool. To make it work at tier 4 we would have had to nerf it significantly, whenever possible we prefer to change the tier rather than make extreme adjustments to shoehorn it in somewhere else. And while it is lacking some HP at the moment, that can still be adjusted :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BanzaiPiluso Players 1,217 posts 13,126 battles Report post #386 Posted February 7, 2019 I would like to test the GC in T6 myself before the official release. If there is no changing the future at least let me influence the change. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[4S] Staceh Players 2 posts 6,166 battles Report post #387 Posted February 7, 2019 Don't change it, there's 16 pages of No, is that not enough? 5 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CRM2B] Toxoplasmosi Players 369 posts 12,552 battles Report post #388 Posted February 7, 2019 2 minuti fa, Staceh ha scritto: Don't change it, there's 16 pages of No, is that not enough? 16 on this thread... there are 100 therads... with more than 16. HANDS OFF from Giulio Cesare!!! 5 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MPT] AkosJaccik Players 920 posts 11,177 battles Report post #389 Posted February 7, 2019 "we prefer to change the tier rather than make extreme adjustments to shoehorn it in somewhere else." Well, that explains Viribus Unitis that nobody in their right mind will buy in T5. Guess I'll just wait for the silver Tegetthoff if that ever happens, and get my face pushed in for free. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[IFS] Gudgeon Players 583 posts 26,297 battles Report post #390 Posted February 7, 2019 5 hours ago, Culiacan_Mexico said: Pretty much this. Players ran into veteran players out their Kamakaze R that wreck them. Since most player will not admit them have deficiencies in their own skill... it must have been the ship, while the truth is most of those same Kamakaze R captains would have done the same in the Nicholas. I ranked out in my Nicolas (mainly) in the first ranked sprint by hunting/fighting the enemy DD's. I ranked out in my Kami (mainly) using concealment to spot DD's or torp whenever possible (the meta between each T5 sprint season felt different to me). The way I played the Kami would have just as possible in the Minekaze. The Kami was where I really progressed as a DD player all those years ago. When i first played the ship I sucked hard. I learnt how to use my circle of concealment to best effect and improved as a player. And not because this ship is OP - the lessons translate all the way up the tech trees, in all the nations DD's. Lesson here - I learnt to play. I did not rush up the tiers and not learn anything and picking up bad habits. I also did not blame 'OP' ships on the enemy team when I make a mistake. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lin3 Players 746 posts Report post #391 Posted February 7, 2019 I am delighted that the OP pay to win GC is being moved up a tier. I can understand why anyone owning this ship will be unhappy with this change. However, in the interests of Game Balance, this is a step in the right direction. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BYOB] Aragathor Players 7,047 posts 32,274 battles Report post #392 Posted February 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, Lin3 said: I am delighted that the OP pay to win GC is being moved up a tier. I can understand why anyone owning this ship will be unhappy with this change. However, in the interests of Game Balance, this is a step in the right direction. Don't worry, soon the Exeter will take it's place as THE OP boat at T5. And WG will just keep changing premium ships, so that every few months you'll get another OP boat, because once the barn door is open the cows won't stay in. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NAN0] HaachamaShipping Players 8,474 posts 10,052 battles Report post #393 Posted February 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Staceh said: Don't change it, there's 16 pages of No, is that not enough? Not all of them are No, so, no. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anonym_JSqwZct68BEw Players 209 posts Report post #394 Posted February 7, 2019 All that fuzz for a ship that WG gave away for free at some point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr_Snoww Players 865 posts 23,320 battles Report post #395 Posted February 7, 2019 2 hours ago, MrConway said: To make it work at tier 4 we would have had to nerf it significantly, whenever possible we prefer to change the tier rather than make extreme adjustments to shoehorn it in somewhere else. And while it is lacking some HP at the moment, that can still be adjusted :) or just leave it as it is... if you change it there will be people wanting cash refunds 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] __Helmut_Kohl__ Beta Tester 4,156 posts 18,918 battles Report post #396 Posted February 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, Mr_Snoww said: or just leave it as it is... if you change it there will be people wanting cash refunds You know nothing Mr Snow. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CptBarney Players 8,127 posts 245 battles Report post #397 Posted February 7, 2019 Dont ladz just wait for the exeter and russian bb at tier 5 although in seriousness is there a way owners of GC can test her out on the pts? At least then they can give pointers (not rediculous ones) and make the bute less painful to play or balance it better. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MORIA] quickr Players 1,953 posts 25,232 battles Report post #398 Posted February 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, CptBarney said: although in seriousness is there a way owners of GC can test her out on the pts? Anyone remembers how was smoke firing change handled for belfast/kutuzov owners? Were you able to test ships in new environment before turning it in for doubloons? Imagine having to choose between doubloons and tier 6 GC without actually testing it first Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[AGK] Grandexeno [AGK] Players 20 posts 4,121 battles Report post #399 Posted February 7, 2019 4 hours ago, BlackYeti said: Nevermind the fact how long it took them to admit its broken I guess GC will still cr*p all over PEF, Funkerque and the like at tier 6. Though I hope the latest Dunk BUFF is just the beginning. Uh, no. I citadeled FUSOs at max range with my PEF, plus putting to sleep BAYERNS and DANKs, soo...I guess it won't. Besides, in all the low tier matches I played where there was a GC, I didn't see it so overwhelming. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CptBarney Players 8,127 posts 245 battles Report post #400 Posted February 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, quickr said: Anyone remembers how was smoke firing change handled for belfast/kutuzov owners? Were you able to test ships in new environment before turning it in for doubloons? Imagine having to choose between doubloons and tier 6 GC without actually testing it first No i dont actually since i wasnt playing at that point. people do buy things without testing or checking whats your point? Im not familiar with the pts servers so i dont know how they work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
