Giulio Cesare to be changed to T6.

[Spellfire40]

3 minutes ago, Tyrendian89 said:

out of curiosity, would everyone's reaction to this change significantly if WG were to offer exchanging the ship in question not just for (useless) dubloons, but for a same-tier Premium of the player's choice? iirc Tanks did something relatively similar recently with their Preferential Matchmaking premiums, so on a much much larger scale than just the one ship at a time we're talking here...

 

Now, that selection of ships would have to be good of course - not just the few ships available in the tech tree, but probably every (non-exclusive? Wouldn't want everyone to swap out their GCs for the arguably MUUUUCH MUCH worse Gremlin...) premium WG ever released at that tier...

Does it matter to a colector? thy didnt got teh CV players their 500 dublons per tir above 4 either..... perhaps either a hefty % copon way above the ones they give out either for free or on that stacks on top of the free one.

 

Then agin lobbying  If they uptir Cesare how about downtir the horible underpowered ducas at their tirs (or drastical reduce their airdrag and lower long range ap shattering acin to schoors and budy to give them ANY niche..)

[Flavio1997]

guys i want to show a little thing:

gc compared to tier 5

to tier 7

to tier 8

 You know what's the problem with this nerf? that it should be placed as tier 8....

 

ANd i hope that also belfast, t61, kutzoff, missouri, kronstad, musashi and similar will follow. I'm sick of all this op premiums

 

[Redcap375]

3 minutes ago, Tyrendian89 said:

And the second part - well that's a whole different but related problem isn't it? We're so jaded about overpowered premiums that we expect them and dont even care about balanced ships anymore...

 

WG fault in the first place.

 

Not the players.  

[BanzaiPiluso]

1 minute ago, Spellfire40 said:

Then agin lobbying  If they uptir Cesare how about downtir the horible underpowered ducas at their tirs (or drastical reduce their airdrag and lower long range ap shattering acin to schoors and budy to give them ANY niche..)

Hey, that's not a bad idea! Get Duca to T5 and I will be happy to have GC "upgraded" 

[Verblonde]

7 minutes ago, Winged_Cat_Dormant said:

I can only hope my other Italian ships are not changed into something worse.

At the risk of being unkind to a pair of ships that I'm rather fond of (albeit spectacularly cr4p in), this might well require some re-writing of some fundamental rules of causality...?

 

(Edit: I mean the Ducas, of course - had a temporary blonde moment apropos Roma)

[quickr]

11 minutes ago, Tyrendian89 said:

out of curiosity, would everyone's reaction to this change significantly if WG were to offer exchanging the ship in question not just for (useless) dubloons, but for a same-tier Premium of the player's choice? iirc Tanks did something relatively similar recently with their Preferential Matchmaking premiums, so on a much much larger scale than just the one ship at a time we're talking here...

 

Now, that selection of ships would have to be good of course - not just the few ships available in the tech tree, but probably every (non-exclusive? Wouldn't want everyone to swap out their GCs for the arguably MUUUUCH MUCH worse Gremlin...) premium WG ever released at that tier...

 

9 minutes ago, Allied_Winter said:

Personally? No, since there's nothing interesting on T5 for me.

What's the point really. Even if you take some other ship that you deem fun or strong, WG can "balance" it at a whim.

 

[Tyrendian89]

2 minutes ago, Redcap375 said:

 

WG fault in the first place.

 

Not the players.  

I never claimed otherwise

[Allied_Winter]

3 minutes ago, Tyrendian89 said:

yeah not a solution to everyone - some of us (me kinda included) have all they want at a certain tier... but would you at least feel better if that was the practice and the precedent they set for the future, even if you wouldn't get excited about it this specific time? For me that'd be the case...

I don't know. On one hand: If that voucher is valid for ... let's say a year. Maybe. 

But on the other hand: What if the ship I use the voucher for get's 'rebalanced' as well? Do I get another voucher? 

 

It just sets of a spiral of events. Basically taking premium A - it gets rebalanced - refunding it for premium B - premium B gets balanced - refunding it for premium C.... 

3 minutes ago, Tyrendian89 said:

And the second part - well that's a whole different but related problem isn't it? We're so jaded about overpowered premiums that we expect them and dont even care about balanced ships anymore...

The thing is: As soon as you have at least two or three premium ships on every tier, you get picky. At least I do.

 

So either a premium ship offers a very very unique game play (that I'm interested in) OR is simply better than it's same tier, same class counterpart (and even then: Gameplay plays a role - hence why I skipped on Stalinski). 

 

But I do realise, that I base my decision for premiums more on: How good is it able to carry a team of players that do their utmost to throw a win? And in that case overpowered ships do simply a better job.

[Redcap375]

8 minutes ago, Flavio1997 said:

guys i want to show a little thing:

Zip..

 

How can those stats hold any weight whatsoever?

 

Your talking about a ship that has spent it's life against tier 4-5-6 ships and hardly seeing tier 7 ones. Against people that are probably playing the game for the first time that night! 

 

Compared to the poor NC that spends it's whole life in tier 10 games???

 

Stats are useless regarding comparison. 

 

Your talking about a different fish in a different pond. 

[Tyrendian89]

Just now, Allied_Winter said:

The thing is: As soon as you have at least two or three premium ships on every tier, you get picky. At least I do.

 

So either a premium ship offers a very very unique game play (that I'm interested in) OR is simply better than it's same tier, same class counterpart (and even then: Gameplay plays a role - hence why I skipped on Stalinski). 

 

But I do realise, that I base my decision for premiums more on: How good is it able to carry a team of players that do their utmost to throw a win? And in that case overpowered ships do simply a better job.

right there with you, I'm in pretty much the exact same spot - I never said I wasnt part of the problem

[TheAlba2014]

How do you think GC AA will cope with T8 CVs? Just one of the parameters to get changed...for the better in this case, if changes are made?

[Allied_Winter]

1 minute ago, TheAlba2014 said:

How do you think GC AA will cope with T8 CVs?

Sell her at T6 with def. AA 

[Pte_Maylam]

I've spent a fair old wack of money on this game and I'm deeply unhappy that fundamental changes will be enacted on stuff you sold me. It's not a tweak, it'll be a different ship that I didn't buy.

 

My trust and confidence in wg has taken something of a shoeing recently. If I see a tier v russian premium version of the gc I might have something of a sense of humour failure.

[TheAlba2014]

Just now, Allied_Winter said:

Sell her at T6 with def. AA 

So no need to be concerned then  

[Redcap375]

4 minutes ago, TheAlba2014 said:

How do you think GC AA will cope with T8 CVs? Just one of the parameters to get changed...for the better in this case, if changes are made?

 

Hey you, was just about the write that! 

 

Yeah, that will be easy mode for the CV player.  It struggled against it's own tier ones, never mind tier 8 ones.

 

Plus the AP not being able to do much to tier 8 Battleships. 

 

They have to increase the HP, it's already the lowest of tier 5 BB's ( i think??).

[Tyrendian89]

2 minutes ago, Pte_Maylam said:

 If I see a tier v russian premium version of the gc I might have something of a sense of humour failure.

to be fair, if they really pulled that, I couldn't help but laugh and applaud them for the sheer balls of steel they'd have just displayed... I'd probably also leave in disgust, but laugh and admire them I would...

[Redcap375]

3 minutes ago, Tyrendian89 said:

to be fair, if they really pulled that, I couldn't help but laugh and applaud them for the sheer balls of steel they'd have just displayed... I'd probably also leave in disgust, but laugh and admire them I would...

 

Don't worry, they will  (please see the Alsare)

 

[MrConway]

27 minutes ago, Tyrendian89 said:

out of curiosity, would everyone's reaction to this change significantly if WG were to offer exchanging the ship in question not just for (useless) dubloons, but for a same-tier Premium of the player's choice? iirc Tanks did something relatively similar recently with their Preferential Matchmaking premiums, so on a much much larger scale than just the one ship at a time we're talking here...

 

Now, that selection of ships would have to be good of course - not just the few ships available in the tech tree, but probably every (non-exclusive? Wouldn't want everyone to swap out their GCs for the arguably MUUUUCH MUCH worse Gremlin...) premium WG ever released at that tier...

 

This is sentiment I have seen quite a lot throughout this thread and is something I can understand. I'll make sure to point it out as feedback!

 

26 minutes ago, TheAlba2014 said:

Friendly question MrConway, this topic has certainly distracted from the CV rework, but given that the adjustment to that is ongoing how can you possibly change the GC under the current conditions? I'd assume any changes won't be happening until you've assessed the outcome of patch 0.8.0 and any subsequent updates to fix issues from that patch?

 

As I've said before I don't believe making changes to GC is good business practice and sets a bad precedent. It's a matter of trust

 

She won't even be entering live-test before 0.8.1, so there is still some time for the whole testing process.

 

18 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

@MrConwayaddresing the lack of doubloon "sinks", why aren't there any permanent camos T5 and down?

As a collector and fan of WWI ships I'm just disappointed that I can't get any for my doubloons. I play mostly in coop with them and I just don't seen any reason, not to have a spiffy permanent camo on a ship like Wyoming or Karlsruhe.

 

I appreciate the collector's aspect of it, but l think that adding premium camos to the very low-tier ships would make them too profitable for veteran players, which could result in unfortunate seal-clubbing incidents.

[TheAlba2014]

4 minutes ago, Redcap375 said:

 

Hey you, was just about the write that! 

 

Yeah, that will be easy mode for the CV player.  It struggled against it's own tier ones, never mind tier 8 ones.

 

Plus the AP not being able to do much to tier 8 Battleships. 

 

 

Yeah, with everything in flux just now just pointing out that the changes required to make her "competitive" at that tier might not be so easy as first thought.

 

Still not sold on changes being made to premiums mind you.

[MrConway]

I'm going to duck out of here at this point, if you guys have more questions please feel free to quote or @MrConway!

 

I'll make sure the feedback voiced by you guys is passed on!

[Flavio1997]

14 minutes ago, Redcap375 said:

 

How can those stats hold any weight whatsoever?

 

Your talking about a ship that has spent it's life against tier 4-5-6 ships and hardly seeing tier 7 ones. Against people that are probably playing the game for the first time that night! 

 

Compered to the poor NC that spends it's whole life in tier 10 games???

 

Stats are useless regarding comparison. 

same as other tier 5 bbs do.

tier 8 in tier 10 means also that you have more damage to farm

 

[Redcap375]

59 minutes ago, Flavio1997 said:

1) same as other tier 5 bbs do.

tier 8 in tier 10 means also that you have more damage to farm

 

 

1) Correct. You can compare it on the same tier, but doing what your doing and comparing it in other tiers don't work.

2) Or less damage to farm at the same time (die quicker, less HP, less pen, hounded by a tier 8 CV ect...)

 

 

You cant use stats for this one mate, which ever way you swing if its good or bad to move it, stats don't mean toffee in this instance. 

[Aragathor]

41 minutes ago, MrConway said:

appreciate the collector's aspect of it, but l think that adding premium camos to the very low-tier ships would make them too profitable for veteran players, which could result in unfortunate seal-clubbing incidents.

If I want to make a profit in silver, XP, fXP etc. Then I'm not going to take a low tier boat, those things don't earn anything remarkable.

Instead I can take the Missouri or any other T10 I own with a permanent camo to rake in the resources. Or i can play operations.

 

Adding permanent camos to lower tiered ships wouldn't destabilize anything. You could even have lower XP gains on them if you are so concerned.

[Minos2909]

I’ve been playing this game for almost 4 years, during that time, not a single Premium has been nerfed (directly).

Now WG says they have the right, on a legal point of view, to do what they want whit those ships.

I’m ok with that, but then don’t expect me to buy another Premium ship with gambled stats.

No more purchase, no containers, nothing, that’s my right.

[olmedreca]

I wonder what caused this sudden change in direction, WGs P2W business model seemed to be working fairly well. Did money from whales really dry up? Or maybe some company higher up playing his Wyoming ended up in receiving end of GC? Or did guys at legal have epiphany that if they can fundamentally alter gameplay of CVs, including premium ones, then they surely can also rebalance other premiums? Or did Balancing faction inside company use confusion about CV rework to stage a takeover? Were P2W-business faction members condemned at company congress and purged? So many possibilities ...