An Open Letter to Wargaming

[Taschkent_]

 

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Immer habe ich nach dem Grundsatz gehandelt, lieber Geld verlieren als Vertrauen. Die Unantastbarkeit meiner Versprechungen, der Glaube an den Wert meiner Ware und an mein Wort, standen mir höher als ein vorübergehender Gewinn.

(I have always acted on the principle of losing money rather than trust. The inviolability of my Promises, the belief in the value of my goods and in my word, stood higher than temporary profit.)

- Robert Bosch founder of a world leading multinational engineering and electronics company (23.09.1861 – 12.03.1942)

 

 

 

Since 2011 and playing your game that means 8 Years of continued loyalty towards your company and your Products. I spent a fortune to WoT and WoWS even when I'm just a useless student at student parties on weekends. I've seen so many shitstorms going down on Reddit and your forums when new patches have been released. that's not how it should be. don't be EA or Bethesda - you are much more - and I have hopes that one day my son can take over my account and and enjoy the games what i've been playing when i was young!

 

Be a Robert Bosch!

 

What I see with the CV is not that it is overpowered or just unfinished - it's another example of communications issues with the player base. Why is that? wasn't it in tested? You even had a special Testserver up and running for this, you even extended the testing phase? How did it go wrong?

 

It's not you to blame for - it's the release system itself!

 

You release patches mostly in a very sterile and secluded environment on a special server with little to non value for testing. Sure you can get a glimpse of how they could behave but you never see their full impact and potential within the real, life servers. And also too few play on the testservers - I've seen many released Matches with many Bots in both teams. It's a pathetic state.

 

You rushed a not finished Patch tested in a rigged system to make a living!

 

I'd suggest you actively use your supertesters more and get rid of the Testservers. Let them compare, and let them get used to changes more open.

 

 

I fully know that with the Current CV rework this would be impossible because the difference is too big to get evenly matched games on life servers. But for many troubles you had in the past this would be a great solution to get rid of many problems.

We can bear it!

Sometimes you have to be tough and don't listen too much to some raging dudes in the forum sometimes you even have to be angry at us! But that's fine.

 

What I don't want is that we're losing faith in You or that You loose faith in us!

 

 

Sincerely

Tashkent_

 

[MrWastee]

 

[CptBarney]

It's a nice letter, i would say to wait out the cv rework and see how it progresses but i can't force you too.

 

i've had very little faith in wargaming since the global accuracy nerf in world of tanks that made tanks more annoying to play.

 

hope you find something more enjoyable to play.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

WG won't care enough to give you a reply.

 

You've been a "loyal customer" for eight years. Surely you know by now WG does what they want?

 

Forums are only an outspoken minority.

 

Nothing in WoT has had much of a dramatic change than the CV rework yet WG are content with using live servers as some sort of huge fail beta test but has the cheek to say the Rework is ready and not rushed.

 

 

[___V_E_N_O_M___]

signed

[Taschkent_]

7 minutes ago, Negativvv said:

WG won't care enough to give you a reply.

 

You've been a "loyal customer" for eight years. Surely you know by now WG does what they want?

 

Forums are only an outspoken minority.

 

Nothing in WoT has had much of a dramatic change than the CV rework yet WG are content with using live servers as some sort of huge fail beta test but has the cheek to say the Rework is ready and not rushed.

 

 

well hope is the last thing to die within a human.

i keep on trying - maybe some WG-Person will read it.

[___V_E_N_O_M___]

32 minutes ago, Negativvv said:

WG won't care enough to give you a reply.

 

You've been a "loyal customer" for eight years. Surely you know by now WG does what they want?

 

Forums are only an outspoken minority.

 

Nothing in WoT has had much of a dramatic change than the CV rework yet WG are content with using live servers as some sort of huge fail beta test but has the cheek to say the Rework is ready and not rushed.

 

 

Sorry I would have to disagree with that statement, although the majority of players dont post or even view the forums. I would be careful in labelling us as the outspoken minority. 

 

We may be a minority of the player population who post on the forums, but I think we speak for the majority of players when discussing issues that affect everyone in the game.

 

If everyone who plays had a forum account, the tone of opinions shared on the forum would be be pretty much the same as they are already, one of distension and utter betrayal in the face of a game whose dynamics have been completely changed with this rework.

 

No class of ship should have such autonomy over the outcome of a match, the game is now so unbalanced except in those events where there are no CVs like Ranked or CBs.

 

Players of entire ship classes are now discussing new tactics to counter CVs, so much so that it has entirely changed the way people play this game. That kind of forced change is completely unacceptable....

[RUSSIANBlAS]

3 minutes ago, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

Sorry I would have to disagree with that statement, although the majority of players dont post or even view the forums. I would be careful in labelling us as the outspoken minority. 

 

We may be a minority of the player population who post on the forums, but I think we speak for the majority of players when discussing issues that affect everyone in the game.

 

If everyone who plays had a forum account, the tone of opinions shared on the forum would be be pretty much the same as they are already, one of distension and utter betrayal in the face of a game whose dynamics have been completely changed with this rework.

 

No class of ship should have such autonomy over the outcome of a match, the game is now so unbalanced except in those events where there are no CVs like Ranked or CBs.

 

Players of entire ship classes are now discussing new tactics to counter CVs, so much so that it has entirely changed the way people play this game. That kind of forced changed is completely unacceptable....

I'd like to disagree too but WG has a consistent track record of doing what they want.

 

 

WG staff will pump us full of stalling spiel on their blogs and community videos.

 

Don't forget about the gun bloom issue too despite the CV storm. They sneaked that in and likely won't change it back or tweak it for awhile yet.

[Genie_of_the_Lamp]

Clanbattlels do have Cv s in the Kingof the Sea series!!

 

[Taschkent_]

10 minutes ago, Negativvv said:

I'd like to disagree too but WG has a consistent track record of doing what they want.

 

 

WG staff will pump us full of stalling spiel on their blogs and community videos.

 

Don't forget about the gun bloom issue too despite the CV storm. They sneaked that in and likely won't change it back or tweak it for awhile yet.

my words! :)

[LemonadeWarriorITA]

Sometimes you have to make an unpopular decision. I appreciate how WG, specifically suboctavian, is handling it.

[anonym_JSqwZct68BEw]

17 minutes ago, Negativvv said:

I'd like to disagree too but WG has a consistent track record of doing what they want.

 

 

WG staff will pump us full of stalling spiel on their blogs and community videos.

 

Don't forget about the gun bloom issue too despite the CV storm. They sneaked that in and likely won't change it back or tweak it for awhile yet.

It's their game after all. So yes they can do what they want.

 

And if they listen to EVERY SINGLE player we would end with a white screen with a black dot in the middle that blinks every 3 seconds. And still there would be forum-whiners posting that the dot blinks to fast or to slow.

[Migantium_Mashum]

5 minutes ago, Milckenbom said:

It's their game after all. So yes they can do what they want.

 

And if they listen to EVERY SINGLE player we would end with a white screen with a black dot in the middle that blinks every 3 seconds. And still there would be forum-whiners posting that the dot blinks to fast or to slow.

It may be their game but people are paying real money to play it... when you pay real money you should play the finished product not some half assed version with lots of upcoming patches on the horizon as if you're the Guinea Pig for their mistakes... If the people I have spoken to in game over the last 72 hours follow through with their threats to close their wallets, as I am doing, where is WG going to source the revenue to continue... WG made a bad move releasing this as there were plenty warning them against it.

 

WG need money to survive....

[RUSSIANBlAS]

8 minutes ago, Milckenbom said:

It's their game after all. So yes they can do what they want.

 

And if they listen to EVERY SINGLE player we would end with a white screen with a black dot in the middle that blinks every 3 seconds. And still there would be forum-whiners posting that the dot blinks to fast or to slow.

That's a bit of an extreme view.

 

Whilst the game is WG's, it isn't theirs when it comes to who plays it and brings in their revenue.

 

There's probably a prevailing preference of the direction the game is going and should be like. Where that bar is set is up for debate but when it seems like the majority don't like a change then perhaps something is wrong. 

 

But this is all splitting hairs really.  Go elsewhere if you don't agree with what's happening. If enough do it then WG might change things and if they don't then it isn't anyone's problem but theirs.

[anonym_JSqwZct68BEw]

Just now, Migantium_Mashum said:

It may be their game but people are paying real money to play it... when you pay real money you should play the finished product not some half assed version with lots of upcoming patches on the horizon as if you're the Guinea Pig for their mistakes... If the people I have spoken to in game over the last 72 hours follow through with their threats to close their wallets, as I am doing, where is WG going to source the revenue to continue... WG made a bad move releasing this as there were plenty warning them against it.

 

WG need money to survive....

 I'm pro. I like it. I like the new CV more than the old CV

[Beastofwar]

WG piss their pants if they really see droves of players quitting. But i suspect this is not the case at all.  As far as i read such mass complaining happend before, multiple times even, and nothing catastophical happend to the player base.

 

Besides that you can't nerf any and all things just because a certain group or even individual doesn't feel invulnerable or powerful enough. What game would we have if they did this ??

 

WG without doubt monitors statistics and finetunes any inbalance from there. It's not like they announced WOWS only being available on mobile devices in future.....( nothing worng with game consoles joining in, if this was their motivation for the change )

 

 

 

 

[Migantium_Mashum]

7 minutes ago, Milckenbom said:

 I'm pro. I like it. I like the new CV more than the old CV

Well obviously you can now farm more damage, use the F key to retrieve your aircraft without worrying about damage, fly at supersonic speeds....

By the way why are you playing World of Warships and not World of Planes I may ask, is it because in CV versus ship game today you have now the overwhelming advantage of attacking a target at lightning speeds, with no AA deterrent worth a damn, with impunity and no chance of your aircraft being slaughtered just like IChase was in his video...and being able to raise another squadron in seconds to do it all over again...

 

Very soon you'll be waiting a long time for your game because you'll have no opponents. I know of 15 players who will not play random again in this format +1 and that's me...

[anonym_JSqwZct68BEw]

37 minutes ago, Migantium_Mashum said:

Well obviously you can now farm more damage, use the F key to retrieve your aircraft without worrying about damage, fly at supersonic speeds....

By the way why are you playing World of Warships and not World of Planes I may ask, is it because in CV versus ship game today you have now the overwhelming advantage of attacking a target at lightning speeds, with no AA deterrent worth a damn, with impunity and no chance of your aircraft being slaughtered just like IChase was in his video...and being able to raise another squadron in seconds to do it all over again...

 

Very soon you'll be waiting a long time for your game because you'll have no opponents. I know of 15 players who will not play random again in this format +1 and that's me...

the stats prove that isn't true. There ere a few CV (the Graf) that do more damage but also al lot of CVs that do less averge damage.

 

Currently there are 30541 players online. 15 players? Is this a joke.

[Migantium_Mashum]

7 minutes ago, Milckenbom said:

the stats prove that isn't true. There ere a few CV (the Graf) that do more damage but also al lot of CVs that do less averge damage.

 

Currently there are 30541 players online. 15 players? Is this a joke.

An avalanche can start with the smallest of snowballs.. so no it is no joke and every one of those 15 players spent real money on the game..so when you add up their total spend and divide it by the months they have played... the loss of 1 months revenue for those 15 players isn't a small hit at all and WG needs money to survive.. you are obviously someone who doesn't understand economics yet.

 

In regard to your stats, there may be 30k playing but are they all playing randoms where CVs play or something else? Can you breakdown the numbers for me?

[OddyB]

11 minutes ago, Milckenbom said:

the stats prove that isn't true. There ere a few CV (the Graf) that do more damage but also al lot of CVs that do less averge damage.

 

Currently there are 30541 players online. 15 players? Is this a joke.

Maybe, you should read other sections of the forum, there are far more players that do no like the "game" as it is now.

 

The CV rework is a a fail on many counts , AA nerfed, Concealment nerfed, the F key, and Wg have deliberatly done it  to make CV's look nice and appealing, so pleyers open thier wallets and buy the RN CV Premiums and when WG have got thier revenue they will then nerf the crap out the CV just the ssame as they have done with the Kidd/Atlanta/Sims/Flint.

 

I am seriously trying to keep and open mind about the whole thing but the more I play and see, the more dissalutioned and de-motivated I am to carry on playing and the only fun at the momnet is playing coop and operations. the rest is just a bag of manure.

[anonym_JSqwZct68BEw]

26 minutes ago, CptOddyB said:

Maybe, you should read other sections of the forum, there are far more players that do no like the "game" as it is now.

 

The CV rework is a a fail on many counts , AA nerfed, Concealment nerfed, the F key, and Wg have deliberatly done it  to make CV's look nice and appealing, so pleyers open thier wallets and buy the RN CV Premiums and when WG have got thier revenue they will then nerf the crap out the CV just the ssame as they have done with the Kidd/Atlanta/Sims/Flint.

 

I am seriously trying to keep and open mind about the whole thing but the more I play and see, the more dissalutioned and de-motivated I am to carry on playing and the only fun at the momnet is playing coop and operations. the rest is just a bag of manure.

Pls,.. currently in WOWp there is the  joystick bug. If you read the forums there (and it's a small forum)  you would start to believe everybody is playing 'joystick'. But in reality it's only  (WG says) 3% of the current player base. But who is playing with 'joystick'?  Hardcore players that  play the game to much.

 

I just saying this to point out that forums are hardly a good representation  of the player base. It's more a representation of people that play the game way to much.

 

Today I played +10 games. And if you ask me. The game still plays the same.

[Sybeck]

17 minutes ago, CptOddyB said:

Maybe, you should read other sections of the forum, there are far more players that do no like the "game" as it is now.

 

The CV rework is a a fail on many counts , AA nerfed, Concealment nerfed, the F key, and Wg have deliberatly done it  to make CV's look nice and appealing, so pleyers open thier wallets and buy the RN CV Premiums and when WG have got thier revenue they will then nerf the crap out the CV just the ssame as they have done with the Kidd/Atlanta/Sims/Flint.

 

I am seriously trying to keep and open mind about the whole thing but the more I play and see, the more dissalutioned and de-motivated I am to carry on playing and the only fun at the momnet is playing coop and operations. the rest is just a bag of manure.

 

Here's an odd fact, there are thousands of things that I like, love, adore and might even kill my mother for, but oddly I've never felt compelled to write into any relevant forum and announce how much I like, love, adore (while regretting the sudden passing of my mother) that particular thing.  Because happy, content people and people who are optimistic about the future don't tend to do that ever.  People who are not in that situation and feeling that they've lost something or are struggling to cope and adapt tend to be the ones who generally complain.

 

I can only speak of my personal experience and that is that most people I know in game and play with are happy with the change, playing CVs more or for the first time in PvP whilst acknowledging that there still needs to be a lot more fixes. 

[OddyB]

26 minutes ago, Sybeck said:

 

Here's an odd fact, there are thousands of things that I like, love, adore and might even kill my mother for, but oddly I've never felt compelled to write into any relevant forum and announce how much I like, love, adore (while regretting the sudden passing of my mother) that particular thing.  Because happy, content people and people who are optimistic about the future don't tend to do that ever.  People who are not in that situation and feeling that they've lost something or are struggling to cope and adapt tend to be the ones who generally complain.

 

I can only speak of my personal experience and that is that most people I know in game and play with are happy with the change, playing CVs more or for the first time in PvP whilst acknowledging that there still needs to be a lot more fixes. 

Well if you think I am being negative over it all then you should read other Posts I have made, a few even with positive suggestions.

 

As for my post here, It is how I genuinely feel about the role out of this patch. i am sure things will get "shorted out" over time, but how long it will take who knows. It certainly not going commit hours playing a game mode I no longer enjoy. especially now Ichasegaming has shown everyone how to ruin the game for 20 otherr players.

 

as the saying goes when the fun stops... Stop.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

Sadly OP is no Robert Bosch either. 

 

His post didn't have the quality to stand up to the promise of that initial quote... 

[tenacious_torps]