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cv, new gameplay. Part I from a cv P.O.V. (preliminary)

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I think I know what's happening.

Why there's topics like, I want a refund because my Atlanta sucks in AA.

and I kill 1000 planes with my whatever ship and counting.

 

What WG did was revolutionary, they putted Noob players and experienced players at the same level. And everyone is scrambling to get back their bearings. It's very early to ask for buffs, nerfs, boycotts or whatever. Everyone is getting used to this and probably the main reason why this two types of topics co-exists.

 

At least, is what's happening to me.

 

Let me demonstrate with myself.

 

First, lets take this as a bar.

 

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Now, let me show you some of my results with the old cv gameplay, which I was happy about. (ok, was with bogue not with Langley, but potatos, potatoes)

 

 

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and now let's compare with the new cv gameplay.

 

 

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the first I focused on 1 dd.

 

the second I tried all, bbs are just as hard to get as a dd

 

the third was like this. all the time, after a while I just stopped, than I remember I had more planes.

 

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We and WG are still learning, adapt, adjust.

But while playing a cv, personally, I got with the old RTS better, it was easier and faster to get up to speed, in my fist battle I didn't know how to put planes in the air, by the 4th or 5th game I was deplaning the bot cv. (I know it's early tiers with no AA and in co-op but I only started the cv line, two or three weeks ago.)

 

If in the past the cv player was very in his own world, now we can argue that the cv player may be more apart from the rest of the fleet, auto repair and auto (I don't remember), now there's no reason to get back at all, just keep pressing F for more planes. Even if your cv sinks, don't worry you still have your planes for 3 minutes.

 

I found the reticules very rigid and  Inappropriate for the task in hand, I missed the crosshairs like we have in the other classes. I can be more accurate with German BBs.

 

So, until Thursday I was able to protect the fleet and deplane the cv bot, now I can't hit a barn.

 

It's very preliminary and my opinion may change But,

 

keep the Looks of the new with the reticules and stuff of the old.

 

I may regret this, because I'm a cruiser main and tomorrow I will see how things fair over there, where I belong.

 

I will post part 2.

 

this is my first impressions @MrConway

 

One more thing.

 

How there's a video How to play new cv and the video about AA is not there yet?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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nah, is just a learn to play issue, trust me, when you get your bearing they becomes way more op than what people seems to understand:

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and those stats are dragged down by my first 3-4 battles in wich i did 10-15k damage and was getting the hang out of it, as i couldn't download any test server ( limited data) In the last 6 games the avg damage was somewhere  in the 100-105k damage

 

spoiler for the last matches:

 

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and against tier 8 you ask? after you get the hang out of it, you don't give a s...t

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wg failed hard on this rework, in 1-2 weeks times unicums will go back termonuking stuff, and noobs won't have autodrops to save them.

And against dds? you still don't give a s..t either, and this is against a icarus, one of the most agile ships in the game, and trust me he was manouvering

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13 minutes ago, Butterdoll said:

How there's a video How to play new cv and the video about AA is not there yet?

 

one is already out, even though imho is too much basic

 

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15 minutes ago, Butterdoll said:

I found the reticules very rigid and  Inappropriate for the task in hand, I missed the crosshairs like we have in the other classes. I can be more accurate with German BBs.

It's three different types of derp in one ship. 

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In the 3 games in 0.8 you posted how many of them were you under tiered ? seems a lot of t8 cv in t10 games that would explain a lot

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To be honest... I played Midway for about 10 games today... I did some good damage got some kills and never got deplaned... But i felt so utterly bored it seems beyond belief... Press W for 40 seconds. Drop. Press W. Drop. Press W. Drop....

 

Nothing else there not depth, no tactics, no strategy no managing multiple things... Just EPIC BOREDOM....

 

I have been saying this for a while... The rework is god awful.

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Sorry for the double post, but this is quite important...

 

After playing 15 games today in the last two games I got quite motion sick... Never had that happen in a video game before... Maybe it has something to do with the fact that the new CVs are not optimised and run at very differing framerates? 

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20 hours ago, Flavio1997 said:

nah, is just a learn to play issue, trust me, when you get your bearing they becomes way more op than what people seems to understand:

400341324_nuovecvstats2.thumb.jpg.81c9bbd58b4fe7d5fea4fd3bbae80cbd.jpg

and those stats are dragged down by my first 3-4 battles in wich i did 10-15k damage and was getting the hang out of it, as i couldn't download any test server ( limited data) In the last 6 games the avg damage was somewhere  in the 100-105k damage

 

spoiler for the last matches:

 

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shot-19_02.01_18_44.01-0170.thumb.jpg.6fe02d65a7760ed172e828a945ed39cd.jpgshot-19_02.01_18_44.03-0672.thumb.jpg.dfb0ece48a2b2da1a89cd63fde454df2.jpgmy top damage so far, if i didn't botched the last few drops on a GC and on the 2 cvs i would have been weel over 150k

shot-19_02.01_19_02.22-0287.thumb.jpg.ccb4f25f79e4589aec29f8fb97c39ab2.jpgshot-19_02.01_19_02.28-0174.thumb.jpg.6131219b937a488e54b945f5a1f42e77.jpgnever sit still in smoke dds:Smile_trollface:

and against tier 8 you ask? after you get the hang out of it, you don't give a s...t

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wg failed hard on this rework, in 1-2 weeks times unicums will go back termonuking stuff, and noobs won't have autodrops to save them.

And against dds? you still don't give a s..t either, and this is against a icarus, one of the most agile ships in the game, and trust me he was manouvering

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Ofc. it is, a l2p issue

 

everyone was complaining about the cv interface, I never came across such a problem, I derp big time in the old rts gameplay like miss a cv with a torpedo drop, etc. But the learning curve is much smaller (making drops, bomb runs, etc). than the new.

the reticule is so rigid in the game and the window to make the drop is so dam small, with the old model I found it much more easy and fluid Auto or manual.

With the new it's like shooting a salvo without knowing the projectile speed, how much lead we have to give to the target, and without having the target locked (the best way I can compare, with a surface ship, but the feeling it's the same)

It's easy to miss a BB with a torp plane with Langley, because is just one torp that you launch vs 4 in the old RTS model.

@MrConway

why?

 

I preferred the old system, one drop and back to home than 1x3 drops with the new.

the green torp indicator thing is so dam large for only one torp at a time..

With 21 battles I managed to have a 17.8 planes shot down average and that's because I got greedy at the end. If I didn't I could have a higher  planes average.

 

 

That I don't doubt a bit.

 

Give time to Unicoms and they will pulverize everything. 

 

that is not my experience so far, but now I can't hit a barn, let alone a bb, dd? I would dream for that tonight.

 

I'm not that eager of dismissing the new cv gameplay yet, there's things I like. But as is, needs more work, it's incomplete. I would try a crossover with the old rts.

 

there was a game, yesterday where I got bored fast, yes, I forgot that I had more planes , but then why continue? if it's like shooting from a cruiser or a bb without the locked target, feeling.

 

Well, here I go to part 2. from a cruiser/BB POV.

 

I will try first with my Bismarck than Gneise, mind you I get 30/40 planes often with either one. without any particular AA build. I'm going in direction of a Brawl build and I don't want to give up of that only because of cvs

And I saw on your screenshot a Scharn with only two.

Let's see if I came back to this topic crying my eyes out screaming cv is op.:Smile_sceptic:

 

 

 

 

 

 

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So far, not conclusive, I did 4 games

1 with two cvs

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Not a good game, I spent more time looking to the sky and chancing planes around than what I should do.

 

18 planes...meh. It could be a lot better, double that, but than again it could be a lot worst.

 

like game nº2.

 

game 3 and game 4, very strange, no cvs. And in all the queue I had been only 3 cvs not hundreds at a time where was up to 30.k people online, I was playing cruisers.

AA beasts like Nurnberg and Shcohrs :Smile_amazed:

I will try again later.

 

 

Just a question.

 

How do I focus my AA on the planes?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Butterdoll said:

How can I do this?

 

You deploy Fighter planes with your planes (it's a consumable, press T) and leave them to battle enemy planes. That's how you shoot down planes (if not with your CVs AA)

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As feedback and CV hardcore player of the old and new system, I would like to add that a CV player can find the decision to sacrifice score/damage with a high % rate of winning the entire match for the team in random matches.

 

A good CV player can harass half of the enemy team like a bunch of wild bees. I love this type of CV playstyle, it keeps the enemies so busy with positioning, smoke and AA that they forget to pay attention to anything else. As soon some of my random team mates joins the current havoc hotspot, lonesome BBs get sunk at hyper speed as their captains then often forget to take care of the sea level things going on. 

Therefore any type of damage scoreboard (for the wasp harrasment playstyle) is meaningless, its more like winning the last 30 matches with the team... 27 times as a random example.

 

Players which typically would have lower scores can benefit from a good CV wasp style, as they just have to finish the overwhelmed lonesome captains off like a little snack on the ground sea level. This can bring satisfaction sinks for new players, they just need to be at the right spot at the right time (ship speed or long range shots or torps in to the CV created havoc hot-spot). A CV havoc hot-spot can develop due to poor enemy team interaction, not supporting each other. A good CV player can identify these enemy setup weaknesses very fast.

 

Having 4 top CV players battling the hell out of each others team will be an exciting cuthroat team competition.

 

Submarines and DDs with waterbombs would add a 3rd layer, the depth, to this amazing counterstrike chess game. It feels like real war, IMHO.

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