tenacious_torps ∞ Players 1,373 posts Report post #1 Posted January 31, 2019 Ship was sold with best in tier AA, got changed to useless crap - refund seems entirely reasonable. Same applies to Kidd, apparently. @MrConway @Crysantos Any plans on that? Wargaming pretty much did a classic bait and switch here. It's not only the premium CVs who underwent a changes that left them hardly recognisable, just the same is true for any premium ship with AA as a major selling point. I trust you'll have discussed the issue already and are working on a customer-friendly solution, right? 52 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anonym_2hneAFaIyP4T Players 606 posts Report post #2 Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, tenacious_torps said: Ship was sold with best in tier AA weellll... it still is, isn't it? Kind of? Like, least worst 1 13 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BuccaneerBill Players 513 posts 11,276 battles Report post #3 Posted January 31, 2019 Yeah have to agree, Atlanta AA is poor. Battleships provide AA cover now. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ONE2] RAHJAILARI Players 3,160 posts 31,670 battles Report post #4 Posted January 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, BuccaneerBill said: Yeah have to agree, Atlanta AA is poor. Battleships provide AA cover now. That just ain't right... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FMW] OddyB Players 118 posts Report post #5 Posted January 31, 2019 Not only Atlanta, also USS Kidd has been reduced to 200% DEFAA. Not happy with these changes to Premium Ships <Edit> also USS Sims has fallen to this nerfing 16 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CMP] Hummus Weekend Tester 605 posts 5,346 battles Report post #6 Posted January 31, 2019 33 minutes ago, Rusty_9 said: weellll... it still is, isn't it? Kind of? Like, least worst No it actually really isn't any more. The AA ranges don't overlap any more. So the 127 mm main guns stop shooting when the medium range guns open up. And since the medium and short range AAA of the Atlanta is pretty poor .... she ends up with pretty poor AA damage overall. I frigging love the Atlanta, but they will seriously need to rework their AA, or else I might want that refund as well. 19 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CptBarney Players 8,127 posts 245 battles Report post #7 Posted January 31, 2019 saw one shot down 28 planes so i don't know but that was from one game. ranger seems terrible as my planes get blapped to nothing in short order (which makes me paraonoid about losing my planes before i can get a decent strike off half the time) at tier 6 they don't seem to be performing well but then i have a limited amount of games played since im losing interest in playing them half the time. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BuccaneerBill Players 513 posts 11,276 battles Report post #8 Posted January 31, 2019 Yeah the Atlanta has all her firepower in long range AA, and since they only work from 3.1km to 5.8km now ( 2.7km effective compared to 7.2km before), its pretty poor. 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tenacious_torps ∞ Players 1,373 posts Report post #9 Posted January 31, 2019 thx for mentionting how the Kidd is affected too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DD537] Episparh Players 1,403 posts 20,575 battles Report post #10 Posted January 31, 2019 I've heard that Kidd's AA is even worst garbage than Atlanta's one now... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BOBS2] PassTheSalt Beta Tester 519 posts 24,080 battles Report post #11 Posted January 31, 2019 Yay! you win a prize for the biggest over reaction to the new patch, here have a medal. 2 5 17 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
veslingr Players 2,975 posts 477 battles Report post #12 Posted January 31, 2019 Kidd is only DD with heal on t8 and you wanna refund...GJ mate....GJ...one of OP ship in t8 bracket you wont to sell :) Somebody real needs the medal for whining 2 4 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tenacious_torps ∞ Players 1,373 posts Report post #13 Posted January 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, veslingr said: Kidd is only DD with heal on t8 and you wanna refund...GJ mate....GJ...one of OP ship in t8 bracket you wont to sell :) Somebody real needs the medal for whining She isn't. At least try to keep up, dude. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OP-X] Dehtre Beta Tester 104 posts 10,438 battles Report post #14 Posted January 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, veslingr said: Kidd is only DD with heal on t8 and you wanna refund...GJ mate....GJ...one of OP ship in t8 bracket you wont to sell :) Somebody real needs the medal for whining Both Kiev and Ognevoi are tier 8 and have access to Repair Party. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-OOF-] VeryHonarbrah Players 386 posts 15,529 battles Report post #15 Posted January 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, veslingr said: Kidd is only DD with heal on t8 and you wanna refund...GJ mate....GJ...one of OP ship in t8 bracket you wont to sell :) Somebody real needs the medal for whining I believe that the Russian t8 dds are gonna get heals. It really isn’t an OP ship. With ships like the Cossack, HSF, Aki and lightning all out gunning it.... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ZPT] lostindanet [ZPT] Players 2 posts 16,148 battles Report post #16 Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) *edited* Im going to take a very prolonged break out of this game. Edited January 31, 2019 by Nebiros_1 edited due to vulgarity 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EdiJo Players 1,419 posts 11,712 battles Report post #17 Posted January 31, 2019 22 minutes ago, Hummus said: The AA ranges don't overlap any more. So the 127 mm main guns stop shooting when the medium range guns open up. And since the medium and short range AAA of the Atlanta is pretty poor .... she ends up with pretty poor AA damage overall. WHAT?? WHY?! Are they out of their bloody minds?! Specialized AA cruiser (leading the changes in all fleets in the world) with poor AA? What are those "developers" thinking? This must be some bug, they could not intentionally have done that. Quote I frigging love the Atlanta, but they will seriously need to rework their AA, or else I might want that refund as well. Of course it must be fixed. @MrConway, any explanation what happened? I don't want the refund - I want my Atlanta to shred planes as she should. That is what she was built for, and even in the game it was her main strength. 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
veslingr Players 2,975 posts 477 battles Report post #18 Posted January 31, 2019 5 hours ago, tenacious_torps said: She isn't. At least try to keep up, dude. ah RU got it with this patch? still it is only capcontester wit heal....other line is gunboat 5 hours ago, Dehtre said: Both Kiev and Ognevoi are tier 8 and have access to Repair Party. they introdue it in this patch? is this in patchnotes? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HAIFU] Kattin Players 35 posts Report post #19 Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) *edited* Edited January 31, 2019 by Nebiros_1 edited due to Insults and Provocations 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Ubertron_X [NWP] Beta Tester 2,657 posts 25,744 battles Report post #20 Posted January 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, EdiJo said: WHAT?? WHY?! Are they out of their bloody minds?! Specialized AA cruiser (leading the changes in all fleets in the world) with poor AA? What are those "developers" thinking? This must be some bug, they could not intentionally have done that. Of course it must be fixed. @MrConway, any explanation what happened? For those who do not follow the forum closely: https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/112132-new-aa-mechanics-about-the-non-overlapping-auras/ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DD537] Episparh Players 1,403 posts 20,575 battles Report post #21 Posted January 31, 2019 9 minutes ago, PassTheSalt said: Yay! you win a prize for the biggest over reaction to the new patch, here have a medal. One of the selling point of these ships is their supreme AA. Both were able to wipe multiple squadrons in a second... Now their AA is a joke. 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BOBS2] PassTheSalt Beta Tester 519 posts 24,080 battles Report post #22 Posted January 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, Episparh said: One of the selling point of these ships is their supreme AA. Both were able to wipe multiple squadrons in a second... Now their AA is a joke. yes, and it's day one of the new 0.8.0 beta test... also the OP is an old clan mate of mine and he knows I'm just jesting (thus his laugh response to my post ;) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SEN] SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue [SEN] Players 795 posts Report post #23 Posted January 31, 2019 51 minutes ago, BuccaneerBill said: Yeah have to agree, Atlanta AA is poor. Battleships provide AA cover now. except Mushi, who cant shot an Boeing 777 parked inches ahead of AA gunners... 1 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CMP] Hummus Weekend Tester 605 posts 5,346 battles Report post #24 Posted January 31, 2019 11 minutes ago, Ubertron_X said: For those who do not follow the forum closely: https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/112132-new-aa-mechanics-about-the-non-overlapping-auras/ To summarise the 4 page thread: AA needed to be nerfed for the CV rebalance (wouldn't want all the new CV player to get shot down by multitude of full AA specced players .... ) They decided to remove the overlapping because they wanted to move away from the "the closer you get, the more damage you took" mr conway on page 2 of the tread: Quote Also: To shed some more light onto the motivation behind this decision. Pre-rework AA worked in the same manner for all ships: the closer you get to a ship, the more damage you took. The AA zone separation in 0.8.0 was done for balance reasons and to enable us to adjust the zones individually. This lets us give ships a distinct AA "flavour". You can have ships that are great at providing screening long-range AA fire for allies and conversely also ships that are deadly when solo and hard to attack individually. At the moment the 0.8.0 AA settings are mainly based around the caliber and amount of AA guns each ship carries, but going forward we'll likely make more adjustments and tweaks to individual ships to make their AA "flavour" more distinctive. I know if is less intuitive this way, but I think it will let us give a lot more depth to the AA system than if we went with the "you come close, you die" approach :) I figured this was going to be utter CRAP for an Atlanta, but I had missed that they also removed the 300% dps from DFAA ....... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BuccaneerBill Players 513 posts 11,276 battles Report post #25 Posted January 31, 2019 Yea Atlanta will probably need to be an exemption and have the long range active at all distances, as well as some other buff. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
