Farewell to RTS CV's

[jss78]

Non-sarcastic thread.

 

The Americans are already playing the new iteration, and we're enjoying the last evening of RTS CV gameplay. Despite their many problems, by God I LIKED them!. The balance issues could never be solved, but the tactical play was at its best (though not often enough) excellent.

 

To celebrate the transition, I did one final game. No more stress of the Random games, just one solemn run through operation Killer Whale.

 

I wish WG the best of luck in balancing and further developing the reworked CV's.

 

 

 

 

 

[veslingr]

Finally it is over. To many 38% wr guys in t10 CVS ruined games for others

[El2aZeR]

1 minute ago, veslingr said:

Finally it is over.

 

 

Seriously, you think with reworked CVs it's gonna be any different?

[Panocek]

2 minutes ago, veslingr said:

Finally it is over. To many 38% wr guys in t10 CVS ruined games for others

You could say the same for BB, cruiser and DD skippers...

[veslingr]

2 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

 

Seriously, you think with reworked CVs it's gonna be any different?

Well yes. Influence of cv will be much smaller. From spoting to oneshoting. And it will not be duel of cv vs cv do eaven 38% will do something. While in current gameplay other cv would totally shut him down. 

[Hopeless_Guppy]

2 minutes ago, veslingr said:

Finally it is over. To many 38% wr guys in t10 CVS ruined games for others

Lol I have some CV's but won't be rushing to play them, not sure if I could even get used to new CV re-work thing,. Now about stats, I couldn't care less about them tbh, as long as I can use my ship right, it is all a learning curve, but my stats I do not even know where to find them, even when I look in my profile, yet in team chat some tosser will always point them out to me, how the hell do they do that?

[veslingr]

3 minutes ago, Panocek said:

You could say the same for BB, cruiser and DD skippers...

Well no. Not a single ship has/had influence as good cv in game

[Humorpalanta]

3 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

 

Seriously, you think with reworked CVs it's gonna be any different?

 

[BLUB__BLUB]

10 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

Seriously, you think with reworked CVs it's gonna be any different?

 

12 minutes ago, veslingr said:

Finally it is over. To many 38% wr guys in t10 CVS ruined games for others

No man, it's gonna be worse. I like the new playstyle, and I betcha I can get 38% WR.... 

 

[Kehldon]

2 minutes ago, veslingr said:

Well yes. Influence of cv will be much smaller. From spoting to oneshoting. 

You clearly have totally diffrent view then I do, but I mostly play DDs before 8.0 and I expect that to be impossible the 2 first month atleast...

[veslingr]

4 minutes ago, Kehldon said:

You clearly have totally diffrent view then I do, but I mostly play DDs before 8.0 and I expect that to be impossible the 2 first month atleast...

If you most play dd this CV rework is bless for you. 

 

No more 3 cap simultaneous spot aka permaspoted whole game because cv now have 1 squad instead of 6 or 8. Big difference. 

 

Also no more instadeath from cross drop of good cv player. 

 

Yes still he can hunt you and do dmg to you with rocket or bombs but at least 2 other spots are in dark. 

 

This change is direct buff for dd. 

 

And very soon you will not meet 3 CVS per side

 

P.s.

Planes no more spots torps so it is also plus. 

[El2aZeR]

Just now, veslingr said:

Well yes. Influence of cv will be much smaller. From spoting to oneshoting. And it will not be duel of cv vs cv do eaven 38% will do something. While in current gameplay other cv would totally shut him down. 

 

 

Spotting was traded off, not nerfed. Global deniable spotting was replaced by permanent localized spotting. If a CV chooses to focus you, you and everyone around you will be permanently spotted until you die as reworked CVs can cycle strikes within 30 seconds and loiter around until they expend all ordinance.

And with 2 CVs per team that actually means spotting increases dramatically. It is only with 1 CV per team that spotting actually goes down.

 

The CV vs CV aspect has been entirely replaced with dodging AA. If a potato reworked CV cannot dodge AA, he is even more useless than a potato with current CVs as even DD AA will rip him apart. If he can however dodge AA, he can pretty much safely strike and kill any ship on the map.

 

Oneshotting is still possible. Just use one squad of TBs against a BB, cross drop him and watch your damage counter rise by 100k. Then follow up with fires and kill him. This is a process much faster than current CVs as current CVs cycle strikes much slower. Do not be fooled, reworked CVs deal more damage than current CVs will ever be capable of.

 

And thus we come to the general potential match influence. Overall with the hilarious buff in striking potential it has been dramatically increased for skilled CVs while generally nerfed for potato CVs. 1 vs 4 all the way to 1 vs 8 situations are more than winnable for a skilled reworked CV player, while a potato reworked CV already fails 1 vs 1.

 

So you see, all problems have remained the same, they've just been shifted around a bit or made even worse.

 

Just now, veslingr said:

This change is direct buff for dd. 

 

Except with reworked CVs I can kill a DD every one and a half minutes. And that's assuming my CV teammate doesn't kill the others first.

With current CVs I gotta wait 3-4 before I can kill the next one.

[veslingr]

7 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

 

Spotting was traded off, not nerfed. Global deniable spotting was replaced by permanent localized spotting. If a CV chooses to focus you, you and everyone around you will be permanently spotted until you die as reworked CVs can cycle strikes within 30 seconds and loiter around until they expend all ordinance.

And with 2 CVs per team that actually means spotting increases dramatically. It is only with 1 CV per team that spotting actually goes down.

 

The CV vs CV aspect has been entirely replaced with dodging AA. If a potato reworked CV cannot dodge AA, he is even more useless than a potato with current CVs as even DD AA will rip him apart. If he can however dodge AA, he can pretty much safely strike and kill any ship on the map.

 

Oneshotting is still possible. Just use one squad of TBs against a BB, cross drop him and watch your damage counter rise by 100k. Then follow up with fires and kill him. This is a process much faster than current CVs as current CVs cycle strikes much slower. Do not be fooled, reworked CVs deal more damage than current CVs will ever be capable of.

 

And thus we come to the general potential match influence. Overall with the hilarious buff in striking potential it has been dramatically increased for skilled CVs while generally nerfed for potato CVs. 1 vs 4 all the way to 1 vs 8 situations are more than winnable for a skilled reworked CV player, while a potato reworked CV already fails 1 vs 1.

 

So you see, all problems have remained the same, they've just been shifted around a bit or made even worse.

 

 

Except with reworked CVs I can kill a DD every one and a half minutes. And that's assuming my CV teammate doesn't kill the others first.

With current CVs I gotta wait 3-4 before I can kill the next one.

Now you have permaspoting and striking in same time. And real permaspoting. In new play you do not have that and strike capability. You need to reload and move from target. Now you can hover 2 bombers all the time and still have 3 fighters and 3 TB for strike. While other caps are not spotted. 

 

 

Simple is that. New playstyle nerfed cv spoting big time. And no way you can turn that around. 8 planes vs 1....

 

About strike. You change direct strike for dot dmg that can or can not happen. Many many times I got 3 drops with 0 flood. 

 

About potato and flack. Potato with rocket planes WILL hit dd and you can not stop it like you can now cause no 2 fighters and rockets are idiot proof dmg with high speed planes. 

[Panocek]

7 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

 

Spotting was traded off, not nerfed. Global deniable spotting was replaced by permanent localized spotting. If a CV chooses to focus you, you and everyone around you will be permanently spotted until you die as reworked CVs can cycle strikes within 30 seconds and loiter around until they expend all ordinance.

And with 2 CVs per team that actually means spotting increases dramatically. It is only with 1 CV per team that spotting actually goes down.

 

The CV vs CV aspect has been entirely replaced with dodging AA. If a potato reworked CV cannot dodge AA, he is even more useless than a potato with current CVs as even DD AA will rip him apart. If he can however dodge AA, he can pretty much safely strike and kill any ship on the map.

 

Oneshotting is still possible. Just use one squad of TBs against a BB, cross drop him and watch your damage counter rise by 100k. Then follow up with fires and kill him. This is a process much faster than current CVs as current CVs cycle strikes much slower. Do not be fooled, reworked CVs deal more damage than current CVs will ever be capable of.

 

And thus we come to the general potential match influence. Overall with the hilarious buff in striking potential it has been dramatically increased for skilled CVs while generally nerfed for potato CVs. 1 vs 4 all the way to 1 vs 8 situations are more than winnable for a skilled reworked CV player, while a potato reworked CV already fails 1 vs 1.

 

So you see, all problems have remained the same, they've just been shifted around a bit or made even worse.

 

 

Except with reworked CVs I can kill a DD every one and a half minutes. And that's assuming my CV teammate doesn't kill the others first.

With current CVs I gotta wait 3-4 before I can kill the next one.

Shh, don't shatter his dreams about rework closing skill gap and being CV nerf

[veslingr]

3 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Shh, don't shatter his dreams about rework closing skill gap and being CV nerf

It is closing skill gap because it is no more cv vs cv game. It is not a duel as before. Offc better player will do more for team as in any class but he can not shut noob down and still carry team. 

 

And yes it is a nerd. If any it is a nerf in spoting. About dmg we will see soon. 

 

Also lower tier CVS lose much power. T6 and t 8 lost a lot. I would say they can not carry game anymore as before. Strike potential is much lower. 

[El2aZeR]

3 minutes ago, veslingr said:

You need to reload and move from target.

 

I'll be back within 30 seconds and killing you while spotting you permanently until you are dead.

A DB that is sacrificed to spot you in the RTS iteration can't do anything beyond spotting. It can also be chased away by fighters or AA ships which really isn't the case anymore in the rework.

 

And if my teammate CV is doing that on the other flank too you get much more oppressive spotting than you have currently.

Again, spotting only goes down if there is only one CV per team. Even then it is traded off rather than an outright nerf.

[Muppeteer]

Its a whole game mode we wont get to play again (although I assume they will keep the code, so maybe they will reinstate RTS in some sort of PVE mode) and because of that I am sad.

 

I have always had a bit of a love hate relationship with the RTS version, but it did generate memorable battles and was interesting to play if enough coffee drunk. Don't claim to be amazing in CV but playing vs good/top players was often a pleasure. Personally having a last hurrah tonight in a part of the game we probably wont be allowed to play again ;)

 

I suggest an EU CV party. Get your CVs out, play some random. Say goodbye to this and tomorrow hello to something else.

[Panocek]

Just now, veslingr said:

It is closing skill gap because it is no more cv vs cv game. It is not a duel as before. Offc better player will do more for team as in any class but he can not shut noob down and still carry team. 

 

And yes it is a nerd. If any it is a nerf in spoting. About dmg we will see soon. 

Changing flank with CV planes is matter of seconds, so visiting self capping base is not a problem at all. Time window between squadron dropping last ordnance and new one on top of DD is about 30s. Not even Kebab can teleport itself fast enough to lose CV.

 

Heck, CV still can interfere with other CV by plonking fighters, which still can knock number of planes if player cannot into minimap

[veslingr]

Just now, El2aZeR said:

 

I'll be back within 30 seconds and killing you while spotting you permanently until you are dead.

A DB that is sacrificed to spot you in the RTS iteration can't do anything beyond spotting. It can also be chased away by fighters or AA ships which really isn't the case anymore in the rework.

 

And if my teammate CV is doing that on the other flank too you get much more oppressive spotting than you have currently.

Again, spotting only goes down if there is only one CV per team. Even then it is traded off rather than an outright nerf.

Yes you will move and give him 20-30 sec of "darkens" which he does not have now. It is a plus. He can safely disengage or cap or whatever. While now you place 3 fighters over 3 caps an no dd will cap it unspoted. You can not do it now. 

 

It is just not the same 100% uptime permaspot while not gimping strike. And posibility of multispoting. 

 

Talking from point of 1 cv. 

[BLUB__BLUB]

2 minutes ago, veslingr said:

It is closing skill gap because it is no more cv vs cv game. It is not a duel as before. Offc better player will do more for team as in any class but he can not shut noob down and still carry team. 

 

And yes it is a nerd. If any it is a nerf in spoting. About dmg we will see soon. 

Not so much about damage I think. I am kinda N00b but I can do 100-150k easy while drinking beer. 

We will see how it is against real players. Against bots it's mega-stupid. But so is co-op, and in the test server there weren't bunches of pirañhas.

 

For example I could keep the DD spotted. But then the numbskull bots wouldn't fire at him. 

And he would not flee to an AA-cruiser either, and not try like a maniac to evade. Hmmm... how will it be with a player driving that DD?

 

Could farm BBs easy - but crossdrop is no longer quite possible (unless you do two groups, one long and the other short torp).

However if 'unicums' do that all they need to do is stretch the pause between group launches from the squadron.

And if they try perma-spot too often, well then just nerf the speed of the planes (needs doing anyway, this is ridiculous). 

Then if the DD is not close to the CV it will take longer to re-find it, if you ever do (because how long does a DD live... ).

 

 

 

[veslingr]

7 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Changing flank with CV planes is matter of seconds, so visiting self capping base is not a problem at all. Time window between squadron dropping last ordnance and new one on top of DD is about 30s. Not even Kebab can teleport itself fast enough to lose CV.

 

Heck, CV still can interfere with other CV by plonking fighters, which still can knock number of planes if player cannot into minimap

How the heck you can compare:

I can change flank and spot c from a in 15 seconds with I can spot them now all the time all 3 of them?

[creamgravy]

33 minutes ago, jss78 said:

tactical play was at its best (though not often enough) excellent.

 

Only for 1 or 2 players, that was the major problem ...and still is by the looks of it.

[lafeel]

More like good riddance.

[Uglesett]

37 minutes ago, veslingr said:

Well yes. Influence of cv will be much smaller.

Much disappointment your future holds, young padawan.

[veslingr]

2 minutes ago, Uglesett said:

Much disappointment your future holds, young padawan.

And you know that from your 0 games in cv? Why the [edited]you come here and comment something you have 0 experience?