Detectability Penalty Change in 0.8.0

[Spithas]

• Fixed an issue which immediately removed a detectability penalty applied to a ship after firing its main guns if the ship was not in the target's line of sight. In Update 0.8.0, the penalty will work for 20 seconds irrespective of whether the target enemy sees the firing ship or not.

 

@MrConway Please entertain us by explaining why this was an "ISSUE" and needed to be reverted back to how it was? I would really like to understand the reasoning as to why this was detrimental for the gameplay.

[ColonelPete]

If smoke counts for that, ships in smoke have to stop shooting 20s before smoke dissipates.

[xxNihilanxx]

3 minutes ago, Spithas said:

• Fixed an issue which immediately removed a detectability penalty applied to a ship after firing its main guns if the ship was not in the target's line of sight. In Update 0.8.0, the penalty will work for 20 seconds irrespective of whether the target enemy sees the firing ship or not.

 

@MrConway Please entertain us by explaining why this was an "ISSUE" and needed to be reverted back to how it was? I would really like to understand the reasoning as to why this was detrimental for the gameplay.

 

The one change that WG made in the last few years that was universally well-received and it turns out to be a bug. Totally not the laughing stock of the gaming community!

[Spithas]

@ColonelPeteDon't see why it shouldn't the way it's worded this is actually not reverting the change back to what it was... it's making it worse than ever.

[Aotearas]

17 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

If smoke counts for that, ships in smoke have to stop shooting 20s before smoke dissipates.

I do believe someone from WG had given a comment that indeed yes that would be the case.

 

Nope, I misrembered, move along citizens!

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

7 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

If smoke counts for that, ships in smoke have to stop shooting 20s before smoke dissipates.

 

@MrConway that cannot be intended right ?

 

It would be ridiculous. Not only thinking about short RN DD smokes here, but also about the lacking transparency and the overall "wrong" feeling of something like that.

 

[Spithas]

4 minutes ago, Aotearas said:

I do believe someone from WG had given a comment that indeed yes that would be the case.

Holy mother of jebus.... what has gotten into WG's minds the last 2 months. Why are they making every possible mistake they can make?

[DFens_666]

What the [edited]is wrong with WG. They dont [edited]care what their playerbase wants. They want to enforce their way on how to play the game upon the players... that doesnt work and will destroy the game. (basicly the same nonsense for the CE change... yeah BBs will totaly ignore CE because it gives only 10%. WG is [edited]stupid)

 

3 minutes ago, Aotearas said:

I do believe someone from WG had given a comment that indeed yes that would be the case.

 

 

Some ships will become basicly unplayable with that change. Or they are nerfed so hard thats extremely unfun to play them.

 

Need severe shitstorm please... thats totaly unacceptable imo.

 

[ForlornSailor]

5 minutes ago, Aotearas said:

I do believe someone from WG had given a comment that indeed yes that would be the case.

 

I refuse to believe that. Just no. They can not be THAT stupid.

[Spithas]

@MrConway please communicate to the responsible people that this "issue" was one of the few universally well accepted changes in the past year. 

[humpty_1]

does this mean ppl hiding behind islands while spamming he will now be spotted?

[Shadeshots]

2 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said:

 

I refuse to believe that. Just no. They can not be THAT stupid.

I disagree ,i believe they can be that stupid as their track records over years of development have proven.

[anonym_2hneAFaIyP4T]

12 minutes ago, Aotearas said:

I do believe someone from WG had given a comment that indeed yes that would be the case.

Actually, i think it was only if they were spotted whilst firing.

 

IIRC, the 'new' mechanic will be (changes in bold):

 

Shoot>Detection Range Blooms>If unspotted after 3 secs bloom resets. No change

Shoot>Detection Range Blooms>Get spotted>Hide behind island (breaking LoS to all red ships)>wait for 20 seconds for bloom to reset

Shoot>Detection Range Blooms>Get spotted>Pop Smoke(breaking LoS to all red ships)>Smoke firing bloom range activates>wait for 20 seconds for bloom to reset

 

I may be wrong on this though

[MrFingers]

1 minute ago, humpty_1 said:

does this mean ppl hiding behind islands while spamming he will now be spotted? 

If they remain behind that island until 20 seconds after they have fired their last shell they won't. If they get in line-of-sight 19 seconds after they fired their guns, they will be spotted for 1 second over their maximum range.

[ForlornSailor]

1 minute ago, humpty_1 said:

does this mean ppl hiding behind islands while spamming he will now be spotted?

 

Only if an enemy obtains line of sight within the firing range of you within 20 sec after you stopped shooting. So if you stop shooting and plan to leave you island cover - you need so wait 20 sec. Because else you will be spotted. If nothing has direct line of sight to you, you wont be spotted while shooting from behind an island. That doesnt chance.

[RAHJAILARI]

8 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said:

I refuse to believe that. Just no. They can not be THAT stupid.

UHOH... Got the world's most famous last words just right on the first try eh? Oh well, if that's true then maybe it IS indeed about time to take a break from WoWs until the next patch. Luckily the newest edition of Total War will be coming out soon.

[WolfGewehr]

So one of the great changes we had back then is now reverted back to the prior state and treated as an issue? Well, can't have nice things in WG-wonderland

[Aotearas]

Nevermind I misremembered, everyone put down the torches and pitchforks, this one was on me:

 

 

 

 

[silence5]

Fixing stuff that was working as intended.

 

[Bics93]

Well done WG  

[_Teob_]

I would quite like a bit more clarification on this before I dust off the old pitchfork.

[Spithas]

2 minutes ago, Aotearas said:

Nevermind I misremembered, everyone put down the torches and pitchforks, this one was on me:

 

 

 

 

That only means the change doesn't go Full Retard. But it's still a bad change reverting back to a situation which the majority consider worse than what we have now. The big question remains... WHY?

[ForlornSailor]

2 minutes ago, Aotearas said:

Nevermind I misremembered, everyone put down the torches and pitchforks, this one was on me:

 

I will still test in Co-op or Trainingroom before I trust it

[Aotearas]

1 minute ago, Spithas said:

That only means the change doesn't go Full Retard. But it's still a bad change reverting back to a situation which the majority consider worse than what we have now. The big question remains... WHY?

At this point the only answer to that is me shrugging and trying not to think too hard about it.

[_Teob_]

1 minute ago, Spithas said:

That only means the change doesn't go Full Retard. But it's still a bad change reverting back to a situation which the majority consider worse than what we have now. The big question remains... WHY?

 

That's how I interpreted the change anyway. Which is that once you fire, you have to mentally count to 20 despite you being hidden behind an island or something.

 

The current situation just seems so intuitive and makes so much sense.