Does this also happen at Tier X?

[You_Overextended]

I've been playing Random Battles at Tier V-VI, expecting players to be a bit more savvy at shippy stuff, but all I see is BBs pew-pew-pew-ing HE shells all over the map. I also still see players shooting across the map at the very beginning of the game (or at other teammates, barely missing them, because YOLO). Is there any part of this game in which I do not encounter players this careless? Do Tier X battles also have this issue? I'd imagine they do (I'm not there yet), but I suppose it's a bit less accentuated than it is four tiers below.

[Tyrendian89]

these days, T10 isnt all that much "better" than T6 with regards to average IQ... you will tend to see more properly good players, but still quite a lot of properly... noooooot good players, to put it diplomatically. And they dont have the excuse of being relatively new.

It's different, but whether it's better... well, you can only judge that for yourself once you get there...

[Juanx]

Game has been out long enough that people that persevered have failed their way to TX. So overall, no, its not better at TX, if anything worse because they are "supposed to know better already"...

[You_Overextended]

I just got out of a random battle where we had the win wrapped up in a gift for us, but our ships were way out near the enemy base and there was one measly DD a quarter through capping ours. The CV was still alive with torp planes and all it did was circle around base so we have a nice view of the DD just sitting there ready to be eaten alive if only those damn planes would do something. Noooooo.... They just circled overhead like some seagulls. Granted, we should have had a sentry position near the base knowing that a DD was out there. I thought it would be logical that some other ships would do it. I was too focused on capping because I was playing the DD with the hyper-fast maneuvering :P

[Bics93]

1 ora fa, Juanx ha scritto:

Game has been out long enough that people that persevered have failed their way to TX. So overall, no, its not better at TX, if anything worse because they are "supposed to know better already"...

 

This! 

Also tier 10 have so much firepower compared to tier 6 that potato mistakes are punished in an harsher way, so sometimes tier 10 seems to be more frustrating as far as one sided battles are concerned... 

[RAHJAILARI]

Weeel, unfortunately there is a flaw in the plan, as they still allow people to play it instead of intelligent AI Bots so chances are oftentimes somewhat doubtful. But hey, perhaps sometime soon "a Smart" generation" of humanoids will finally be born and take over. Until then you have to take what you get and just try to live with it.

 

You get the good ones with the bad, so develop your skill to detect idiot teammates as early as possible and glue yourself to the ones, who seem more rational. It occasionally works.

 

If all else fails... Then repeat after me: "It's only a game, it's only a game, it's only a game"... Doesn't really make it any easier, but one gots to do SOMETHING to create a distraction from the agony. So might as well right?

[DFens_666]

7 minutes ago, mlgomez said:

The CV was still alive with torp planes and all it did was circle around base so we have a nice view of the DD just sitting there ready to be eaten alive if only those damn planes would do something. Noooooo.... They just circled overhead like some seagulls.

 

Could have had multiple reasons:

Are you sure the CV itself was still alive? Maybe it was only the plane left and it was just circling around.

Or maybe he already did use his torps, and he tried to permaspot the DD that one of his teammates would shoot the DD to reset him.

[Srle_Vigilante]

Whats wrong with playing football with your friends funnels?

If he dies, he dies....

[You_Overextended]

12 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Could have had multiple reasons:

Are you sure the CV itself was still alive? Maybe it was only the plane left and it was just circling around.

Or maybe he already did use his torps, and he tried to permaspot the DD that one of his teammates would shoot the DD to reset him.

The CV was still alive. A Bogue. The planes had just taken off before circling around. It was something beyond "derp" level. There has to be a new name for the jaw-dropping insanity that went on in that match.

[Prospect_b]

Mid tiers is probably better, cause there might be some players there not just grinding, but realizing they need some practice.

 

While the average high tier zombie doesn't even have the basic capacities for selfcriticism ("that 39% is only because my teams are always stupid") and/or will fall into a hysteric tantrum if you point out their errors.

 

 

Also, it gets more and more difficult, if not impossible, to compensate for useless high tier ships - not so in mid tiers.

[ForlornSailor]

3 minutes ago, mlgomez said:

The CV was still alive. A Bogue. The planes had just taken off before circling around. It was something beyond "derp" level. There has to be a new name for the jaw-dropping insanity that went on in that match.

 

Things like that will happen on T10 aswell, you are far from beeing safe there. Concerning CVs: I think, the most stupid CV players these days are to be found on T10. As said before, they have failed their way up over the years. This goes for every class ofc. My personal experiance: On no other tier there is such a huge range on skill then on T10. I had the most facepalming moments in T10 games. People literally throwing 100% wins with 7 secs on the clock, things like that.

 

Again, my personal view: Best games are around T6-T8. Lower tiers: You need to expect new players that make stupid mistakes. Cant blame them, we all started at some point. Someone in a Midway with 15k battles and 35% WR however...

[bushwacker001]

1 hour ago, mlgomez said:

I just got out of a random battle where we had the win wrapped up in a gift for us, but our ships were way out near the enemy base and there was one measly DD a quarter through capping ours. The CV was still alive with torp planes and all it did was circle around base so we have a nice view of the DD just sitting there ready to be eaten alive if only those damn planes would do something. Noooooo.... They just circled overhead like some seagulls. Granted, we should have had a sentry position near the base knowing that a DD was out there. I thought it would be logical that some other ships would do it. I was too focused on capping because I was playing the DD with the hyper-fast maneuvering :P

And there is your error...never ever think another player will 'go and do it', they are more likely to sail away from the capping DD in case he scratches their paint.   Also, maybe you in the fast moving DD should have been more aware of the chances of the enemy DD going for your cap.  Bet you do next time. 

[beercrazy]

personally I feel tier 10 can have some weird play

you get some totally one sided games and there is absolutely nothing you can do to change that when your in one of them games

the HE spam I feel isn't as bad at tier 10 due to fact most have learned what AP can do to broadside ships

the long range spamming of shells is a problem due to everything has gun ranges of around 18 to 20k minimum without adding the added range module

most of the tier 10 games can be fun but the games that are not can be a proper pain

 

in my view best tiers for fun are 4 and 7 and after that you get either awful mm (looking at you tier 6 and 8)

I find best games I have now are in clan wars or in divisions purely down to playing with friends (my wife calls em "ship friends" with a sarcastic tone)

 

[Aotearas]

Gameplay quality has largely equalized across most tiers which means that yes, you'll still see tier X players acting like headless chickens without any idea of what they're doing.

[You_Overextended]

2 hours ago, bushwacker001 said:

And there is your error...never ever think another player will 'go and do it', they are more likely to sail away from the capping DD in case he scratches their paint.   Also, maybe you in the fast moving DD should have been more aware of the chances of the enemy DD going for your cap.  Bet you do next time. 

Just one thing: I signaled to the team constantly to look out for the enemy DD. Then I did the "attention to Square N" thing, spamming it constantly. Reaction: Derpity derp, I'm going to swim with the fishes around the enemy cap area. CV Reaction: Look at these flying things! I wonder what more they could do. Derpity derp derp.

[You_Overextended]

1 hour ago, beercrazy said:

personally I feel tier 10 can have some weird play

you get some totally one sided games and there is absolutely nothing you can do to change that when your in one of them games

the HE spam I feel isn't as bad at tier 10 due to fact most have learned what AP can do to broadside ships

the long range spamming of shells is a problem due to everything has gun ranges of around 18 to 20k minimum without adding the added range module

most of the tier 10 games can be fun but the games that are not can be a proper pain

 

in my view best tiers for fun are 4 and 7 and after that you get either awful mm (looking at you tier 6 and 8)

I find best games I have now are in clan wars or in divisions purely down to playing with friends (my wife calls em "ship friends" with a sarcastic tone)

 

I assume that by that tier, I will come across fewer people who still haven't discovered what the A, the W, the D, and the 2 keys do.

[bushwacker001]

35 minutes ago, mlgomez said:

Just one thing: I signaled to the team constantly to look out for the enemy DD. Then I did the "attention to Square N" thing, spamming it constantly. Reaction: Derpity derp, I'm going to swim with the fishes around the enemy cap area. CV Reaction: Look at these flying things! I wonder what more they could do. Derpity derp derp.

I know the scene and been there myself quite a few times....what I would say in defense of the CV is that if he was still alive he had probably dropped his torps and missed but stayed to keep the DD lit up for others to shoot at....he more than likely wouldn't have time to reload and come back before the timer ran out so probably did what he was supposed to.

[asalonen]

6 hours ago, Tyrendian89 said:

T10 isnt all that much "better" than T6 with regards to average IQ... you will tend to see more properly good players, but still quite a lot of properly... noooooot good players, to put it diplomatically. And they dont have the excuse of being relatively new.

This is a crude simplification, but there's a lot of truth to it: T6 has three kinds of players: the good, the bad, and the learning. T10 only has the good and the bad. 

 

By now, a lot of players have made their way to T10. It has more players than any of the lower tiers -- some actual number here in an earlier topic. The average guy in T10 is somewhat better. Some are hopelessly bad, and are either beyond help or don't even want any. You can only avoid their company by not playing randoms.

[Praevasc]

I've seen much better teamwork and balanced gameplay on tiers 5-6 than on tiers 7-8-9.

On tiers 5-6, most often the "bad" players just have not enough experience with tactical positioning, but they still have some experience (you need dozens of battles to reach tier 5) and they try to do their best.

On tiers 7-8 I've seen much more often to happen that some players were absolutely and horrendously bad (like not knowing you can switch between AP and HE, not knowing about hydro and radar, not knowing about strafing, not caring about caps at all, showing full broadside to most of the enemy, and so on).

 

It might be population dynamics. Those who are still unfamiliar with the controls and basic game mechanics because they didn't play enough battles, they didn't reach tier 5-6 yet. And those who can't learn at all even after thousands of battles, they already failed themselves up to higher tiers, and are no longer playing mid-tiers.

 

Or might it just be that at higher tiers the differences between good and bad players are more visible, due to more complex mechanics, more gimmicks, and ship differences having higher impact.

And a high tier teammate derping will have much more significance on the outcome of the battle, so we'll tend to notice it easier. (like a teammate with a Tirpitz, being the only tier 8 ship in a tier 6 battle, sniping HE from the spawn. Now THAT will both be immediately visible, and will have a profound effect on the battle)

 

I wonder whether it will get better or worse at tier 10.

[Yedwy]

Large part of the issue is the passive playstyle people adopt and damage farming mindset ie "if i see 2 if our dds die relatively early i pull back and snipe for damage and stop supporting people that try to turn it around" its often stupid and said way of behaving acctually loses the game and not the loss of few dds early on, also loads of people have no clue of prioritising targets and only go for "broadsides" instad of recognising a key target awailable at that time and focusing it so its eliminated, on topic tier 5 or tier 10 is about the same nowdays

[_DeathWing_]

It's worse. 

[You_Overextended]

12 hours ago, _DeathWing_ said:

It's worse. 

How so?

[_DeathWing_]

4 minutes ago, mlgomez said:

How so?

Cuz most of special [edited] are there. 

[Linkaex]

On 1/16/2019 at 3:47 PM, Saiyko said:

Mid tiers is probably better, cause there might be some players there not just grinding, but realizing they need some practice.

 

While the average high tier zombie doesn't even have the basic capacities for selfcriticism ("that 39% is only because my teams are always stupid") and/or will fall into a hysteric tantrum if you point out their errors.

 

 

Also, it gets more and more difficult, if not impossible, to compensate for useless high tier ships - not so in mid tiers.

 

 

Those are my stats. I rushed T10 when I started playing. 
Dropped tiers and slowly working up back again towards T10. I feel quite confident up to T8 now

[BLUB__BLUB]

On 1/16/2019 at 9:17 PM, Praevasc said:

I wonder whether it will get better or worse at tier 10.

 

Don't tell lies . You ALREADY KNOW he'll get worse, because T10 promotes it. 

Ships can really do a LOT of damage at thet tier, mistakes get punished a lot more.

So how do you avoid mistakes? How NOT to do wrong? Well, easy... you do NOTHING.