Is this how it's going to be? LOL

[Saltface]

The proof is in the pudding.

 

Two games, two defeats, twice ended up 1st in my team. With an unbelievable number of aircraft downed.

I took down more aircraft than the CVs.

 

Now, either I am doing something patently wrong or there are factors that I cant influence, so let it be.

 

the games are posted here if anyone wants to spend the time to see them and comment (which I doubt)

20190115_092339_PGSB507-Scharnhorst_41_Conquest.wowsreplay

20190115_094715_PGSB507-Scharnhorst_20_NE_two_brothers.wowsreplay

 

Screenshots here

[Torped1ne]

Is a team game and your effort (i haven't seen the replay) which by your score i can say is good but not exceptional do not make the difference and should not if the team fail hard

[ColonelPete]

Note the division on your team the first game and the enemies team the second time.

Sometimes the enemy is just better.

[Saltface]

Dear @Torped1ne , I am a novice player and I only have less than 1,000 battles in random. My performance shouldn't be exceptional.

 

What I am wondering about is the "strange" number of aircraft I downed.

Either I made my self the easy target, or I have the honey they want (lol) or I was the most menacing vessel.

Now, if it is the first case then it is my fault.

If it is the later, then ok, nothing I can do to change that. Teams are random. Maybe my push was premature many factors play a role.

But it strikes me odd to bring down more aircraft than the CVs 

A Scharnhorst isn't famous for being a AA platform.

 

Thank you for your comment.

[Saltface]

Dear @ColonelPete,

 

yes the opponents can be better. Or we simply didn't perform.

Both games in my opinion were thrown away. Still, the oddity is the number of aircraft.

 

Thank you for your answer, I appreciate.

[ColonelPete]

The oddity is that both times the CV were not very good and threw away their planes on you.

Smart CV would have gone for different targets.

[kfa]

6 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

The oddity is that both times the CV were not very good and threw away their planes on you.

Smart CV would have gone for different targets.

...or delete him in 2 strikes regardless of their spec

[Ysterpyp]

 

13 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

The oddity is that both times the CV were not very good and threw away their planes on you.

Smart CV would have gone for different targets.

Which inflated his xp , i see no kills in each game , and prob low dmg numbers to

[Torped1ne]

In both matches you faced a ruyjo ,that cv have quite low hp planes ,now i can not see the replay but i assume that he tried multiple strike on you maybe sending one squadroon at times if that is correct is a case of missplay from the enemy cv i assume also that you used wasd trick to make he's drop harder , your aa is not good as others but with good rudder play is enought to take down 30 tier 6 jpn planes

[159Hunter]

First game: you are a top tier BB yet what you do is sail straight to the 1-2 line. So you have very little map presence and cannot put the full pressure of your BB on the enemy team. You fire your first shot after 3 minutes, you only do your first damage after 6 minutes. So in the case of you doing damage it's a question of too little, too late.

As for the plane kills: the first ones you killed are all because the CV flew them in your aura whilst attacking other ships. You were only the subject of two full CV strikes.

The first one: you took torps and damage conned at once even though the CV still have torps bombers and dive bombers coming for you: you should have died right then and there. That misuse of DCP should have been punished. Yet you were saved by the border that messed up the second torp drop.

The second one killed you because you took no evasive actions whatsoever. Maybe you got too confident in your AA, I don't know.

 

Conclusion: as a top tier BB you did not carry your weight to win for your team. The only reason you made it to the top position is because of the plane kills of which half were more or less from the CV just ignoring you (his mistake, your win in XP).

[Saltface]

Gentlemen, @ColonelPete and @kfa, with a big smile on my face (and I hope you do have a sense of humor) I just realized I m worthless and defenseless. On a more serious note I only wish they would concentrate on different targets and let me concentrate on what I was doing lol. I d enjoy it more. Regarding what @kfa wrote, maybe they had it on auto and didn't do manual drops. A Scharnhorst couldn't be so agile or so powerful to take so many strikes. I avoided many torpedoes, many bombs just splattered around me.

 

Thank you again for your input.

 

 

[Saltface]

@159Hunter, thank you so very much for taking the time to view and comment. I really appreciate. I will try to study what you said by viewing the replay again. 

Kindly indulge me by advising on what should be the proper positioning so I could have better map presence and apply more pressure .

It would give me food for thought.

I 'm grateful for your time and comments.

1 hour ago, Saltface said:

Now, either I am doing something patently wrong or there are factors that I cant influence, so let it be.

Hence my comment was right LOL (I did something right after all LOL)

[159Hunter]

Second game: ( I noticed this the first game as well: don't wait a minute before moving, you're in a brawling BB that does better up close ). This time your team lemming trains, you are left with very few ships on your side so you decide to retreat (which was the correct choice imo). However: there's full out retreat and there's retreat with putting up a fight to slow down the advancing enemy (you did the first: you should've slowed down a bit and helped your cruiser that was still putting up a fight, you wasted a lot of damage there). You continu steaming full speed ahead, past your CV and all your BB and then you get focussed on the enemy Lyon (all this moving took about 8 min, ALL done in binocular view (which seriously limits your situational awareness and moving your guns to new targets) and you did some damage, but these two citadels were more a case of German dispersion giving you a hand rather than proper aiming ). You only leave your binocular view when the enemy CV drops you for the first time ( min 9 or something ). You took no torps here because your fighters scattered the torps (no evasive action taken). The enemy CV quickly corrects by killing your fighters, then he sets a fire with bombers, you DCP and start taking massive damage from subsequent torps and bombs (whilst this is going on you completely forget all other ships and only look at the planes).

 

What you should have done: retreat, yes but put up a fight. Your team lost your CV because you decided not to put up a fight ( yes you, all other BB were already pushing south in front of the CV ) aka use your tank as a BB. Don't sit in binocular view, after a shot go out, look around, look at minimap, reevaluate your position and target selection and only then go back in and shoot.

 

One last tip: hold down right mouse button when looking around to prevent your turrets from following your view (this made you miss a first chance at the perfect Nelson broadside ).

 

For the first game: ideally you should have positioned between the eastern and central cap (you can cover them both, it's harder with the western cap with the Island that blocks a lot to the center ). If you wanted to go western cap anyways: go a more direct route (no need to hide behind islands all the time). As soon as the enemy DDs died you should have: a) hard pushed the enemy CA and BB or B) returned to center cap to stop the enemy pushing there. ( oh: and don't rely on your AA alone, you need to take evasive action against planes )

[Saltface]

Dear @159Hunter,

 

Once again I am grateful for your time and effort to comment and criticize. 

Your comments are very helpful and give me a lot to try and digest and better my game. You opened my eyes to a few things I have overlooked.

 

Thanking you again I ll post in the future a battle where I feel I implemented your advise.

Reading time now.

 

[DFens_666]

 

3 hours ago, Saltface said:

Kindly indulge me by advising on what should be the proper positioning so I could have better map presence and apply more pressure .

 

Thats very hard to advice actually. If you are willing to learn from your mistakes, you should be able to develop that sense at some point. Alltho 1k random battles is probably not enough for that yet.

 

What most BB players are lacking, is the ability to create crossfires. They cuddle up on one point of the map, giving the enemy map control and the ability to just angle against all BBs at once. Basicly if you want to create a cossfire, you have to do it yourself. Thats what im trying to achieve while not giving the enemies too much map control. THe downside to this can be, that you put yourself into a vulnerable position - most BB player run to a flank, which means crossfire has to come from the center of the map. Which also means, both enemy flanks can shoot at you, thats IF the enemies realize that, luckily most of the time they dont (and you open yourself up to getting torprushed by a DD)

Creating crossfires isnt easy, if your other BBs are following you. That i hate very much, cause it means i have to relocate.

 

And all this is still changing every game, because its never the same. Thats why its probably easier to just try some stuff and see how it goes. Excluding Yoloing in and camping in the back - everyone knows that those options are bad

[Besserwisser3000]

This game has become complete garbage with roflstomps all day long. Playing from Taiwan on the EU server is just excruciating as the player level during the time slots available to me are pure *edit 

Last game I had a "handicapped" ( self-claimed after I flamed him) NC player with 62WTR on my team, in a T6-8 match. Sinking both enemy DDs is not enough nowadays.

 

 

Either you roflstomp all day or you get roflsyomped all day. Neither is fun. No wonder the playerbase is declining.

[Elypse201]

2 minutes ago, Besserwisser3000 said:

Playing from Taiwan on the EU server

How about not do that then ? Nobody forces you to do this.

 

2 minutes ago, Besserwisser3000 said:

Last game I had a "handicapped" ( self-claimed after I flamed him) NC player with 62WTR on my team

We all have someday those kind of people in the team just deal with it and carry his weight as well, should be not that hard if you flame about your teammates right?

 

4 minutes ago, Besserwisser3000 said:

Sinking both enemy DDs is not enough nowadays.

Nobody knows how this one game went so maybe play safe next time and do not force you to kill this DD's i guess ?

[Bear__Necessities]

10 minutes ago, Besserwisser3000 said:

This game has become complete garbage with roflstomps all day long. Playing from Taiwan on the EU server is just excruciating as the player level during the time slots available to me are pure crap. 

That’s your choice to play on EU not SEA.

 

10 minutes ago, Besserwisser3000 said:

Either you roflstomp all day or you get roflsyomped all day. Neither is fun. No wonder the playerbase is declining.

Player base is actually increasing. I’m having lots of fun sinking potato’s.

[GarrusBrutus]

@Saltface

 

Just wanted to say:

 hats off to you, good sir. Excellent show of sportsmanship and imo the exact attitude one needs to have in order to improve. You have a lot to learn, yes. But keep it up like this and you will go far. 

 

Ps. Funny to see that the "ultra toxic" and "elitist" forum community is actually very helpful if someone asks for help in a civil way. 

[TeaAndTorps]

4 hours ago, 159Hunter said:

However: there's full out retreat and there's retreat with putting up a fight to slow down the advancing enemy

My thanks to you too – on reflection, I needed this reminder for my own BB play.

[Juanx]

58 minutes ago, Besserwisser3000 said:

 Playing from Taiwan on the EU server is just excruciating

 

You should really change your name...

 

Why would you not play within your server cluster? Alternatively, dont complain your offbeat choice is not the best?

[DFens_666]

 

27 minutes ago, GarrusBrutus said:

Ps. Funny to see that the "ultra toxic" and "elitist" forum community is actually very helpful if someone asks for help in a civil way. 

 

I think its ironic that people act one way, and the response is similiar to theirs. And people dont like that, when its bad that is

They act like jerks, get the same response, turn the table and make the other the bad guy... pretty insane i guess?

[Besserwisser3000]

Vor 14 Minuten, Juanx sagte:

 

You should really change your name...

 

Why would you not play within your server cluster? Alternatively, dont complain your offbeat choice is not the best?

Perhaps it's because I'm from Germany and don't want to start the grind anew. And I know Chinese gamers well enough to strongly dislike playing with them.

 

My observation is based on two years experience during the same time slots. It has gotten a lot worse. 

 

[Saltface]

Dear @DFens_666, thank you for your advise. I shall try to understand it. 

 

@GarrusBrutus, Kind Sir, keep your hat on. I'm too old to think that I know everything. I beg your forgiveness and I shall cut corners. I will ask. No shame in hearing what others with more experience on one subject have to say.

 

On the subject you touched:

1 hour ago, GarrusBrutus said:

"ultra toxic" and "elitist"

allow me to tell you that, like in all walks of life (I did my fair share of reading on the forum) some of our members do exhibit a rather "distinctive" behavior. But I guess we all do sometimes.

Touching on my age again, lol, that I cant handle. 

 

Thanking you both gentlemen for your advise and encouragement.

[antean]

7 hours ago, Saltface said:

A Scharnhorst isn't famous for being a AA platform

Nor do Scharnhorst players shamelessly boast, although grats on shredding all those planes.

 

2 hours ago, Besserwisser3000 said:

Playing from Taiwan on the EU server

I play here in EU from NA (the far west side of NA). WG allows anyone to have an account on any server. I quite like the EU server (much better than NA one, imho).