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lets talk about one "gameplay mechanic" for which even WG is not to be blamed. The so called "Toxic Chat".

 

First, what is "Toxic Chat" or "Toxic Community" as is often called? Well, it basically means that some people think its proper to use profanity, insults, degradation and other types of behavior in Chat that most certainly does not indicate that the "author" ever went to the school of "gentlemenship"...or maybe no school at all.

 

Today Children, we are going to look at one certain type of "Toxicity". The "Elitism" type.

 

When we talk about incompetent, utter rubbish, potato teammates in matches, everybody here in unison agrees. They nod their heads and click on the "Cool" Buttons under the Posts. You want people to rate your postings cool? Talk about how you got a Team of "Morons" and everyone will agree and rattle along.

 

But dont you get it? EVERYONE will agree. That can mean one of two things, either everyone who is participating in this Forum is absolutely, utterly and completely God level of infallable, a OMEGA ULTRA SUPER DRAGON BALL Y UNICUM or everybody is full of what comes out their behinds.

 

As a betting man, who likes winning, I take the latter if you excuse me.

 

You know what I consider a "Super Unicum"? Not someone who has 70% winrate in an online game, that is just someone who has more time to spare then others (dont get me wrong, more power to them, if that is what makes their boats float). A "Super Unicum" for me, is someone who has a concept of "Irony", "Self Awareness", a "humble Spirit" if you so will. Someone who realizes that at some time, some match, HE was the "Moron" people were talking about.

 

I always read in ingame chat how everybody did everything wrong but i never see anyone saying "sry guys, this was my fault, I should have done this but I have done that...mea culpa". Not once is someone ready to admit that he fudged up. Everybody is the "shining example" of the "perfect player".

 

Sure "but I have a Winrate over 9000, how can I ever be wrong" sounds logical but remember, oh you human all too human being, memento mori!

 

Most of you, I assume, are still quite in your youths either naturally or "spiritually" but life will catch up sooner then later and I hope, for your sakes, you do not carry this attitude out in the "real world". You will find yourself in the company of someone who does not care about your feelings, your pride, your rage, your anger, your humanity in short YOU and on that day you will wish you would have reflected upon yourself when you had the chance.

 

Its all games and fun until someones eye is poked out.

 

Here, Let me ease it up for you by starting myself. I am at the best of times an average player. I make mistakes right at the start of the match and get killed leaving my team in a disadventaged position, I botch up cappings, defendings, shootings, kitings and all sorts of gameplay mechanics. It is likely that I will get better but not much and I am sure I will keep making mistakes. So the next time you see me in your team, know that a "Moron" is saluting you.

 

P.S. Dont use the word "Cancer" to describe anything other then the terminal sickness that kills people (or the Horoscope sign), just dont! you have no idea how much more of a fool that word makes you more then the recipient.

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Man, how do you handle real life, if you can't handle a meaningless internet insult from a virtual someone you will never see. Please, grow up, there is no safe space from life.

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20 minutes ago, HalSteiner said:

Man, how do you handle real life, if you can't handle a meaningless internet insult from a virtual someone you will never see. Please, grow up, there is no safe space from life.

really? THATS what you took out from my post? do you think the antidote to "SJW" is being rude and forgetting all good manners...back to the cave? just because some leftist corrupted well behaving by taking it to extremes does not make it "Theirs". I am an avid listener of Nietsche and Dr. Peterson, you dont need to tell me there is no "Safe Space". I absolutely despise the whole concept of "Safe Space".

 

Read my post again please and try this time not to seek a political agenda behind it. This SJW Bullsht allready ruined any form of meaningful discourse dont let it get you too.

 

P.S. where in "admit that you suck to a whole audience" do you see the message for "Safe Space"? seriously!

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Maybe we can do one of these threads one day without degenerating to personal insults. That would finally convince me that WOWs doesn't have a toxicity problem.

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1 minute ago, DanSilverwing said:

Maybe we can do one of these threads one day without degenerating to personal insults. That would finally convince me that WOWs doesn't have a toxicity problem.

look at it this way, you just have done your part ;).

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1 minute ago, DanSilverwing said:

Maybe we can do one of these threads one day without degenerating to personal insults. That would finally convince me that online gaming with any sort of "competitive" doesn't have a toxicity problem.

fixed.

 

I was to edit into "online pvp gaming", but then pve games with elements where gitguddery (group raids, trials, dungeons and whatnot) is expected suffers for asshattery as well.

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30 minutes ago, Atankean said:

 

And what is the point of this post?

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30 minutes ago, Atankean said:

Not once is someone ready to admit that he fudged up

Some players do admit to making mistakes & fudging up. It doesn't happen that often but it does happen. As to 'toxicity', Atankean, some players deserve what they get.

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Why admit mistakes if there are other people. That's what most people think, I see it here, in real life, from others and, most importantly, from me. But that is human imo. The only thing WG could change is to implement an actual anti-insult system, but that wouldn't stop others from insulting others. And there are/were enough threads like that/similar ones, and nothing changed. So why should it now? Just get over it and don't expect things from others that are obviously against their natural behaviour.... Helped me atleast.

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Just now, Saiyko said:

And what is the point of this post?

whining (apparently)

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Just now, Panocek said:

I was to edit into "online pvp gaming", but then pve games with elements where gitguddery (group raids, trials, dungeons and whatnot) is expected suffers for asshattery as well.

Even in games where I was alone against AI, I found myself sometimes cursing and getting really angry. Its damn hard to control yourself when you are angry and this goes for any sort of game but also for any sort of interaction really.

 

I bet, you watched some things on Youtube or on TV or any other Media, that made you really angry and where you had some "unpleasant thoughts" to put it mildly. Did you not curse, uttered insults, maybe thought of extreme measures?...everyone has that. Thats why we talk of self discipline. It takes a lot of strength to be able to change something but it takes a lot more to be able to endure something that one cannot (at least immediately) change (like what teammates one gets in random matches ;) ).

 

We also forget that sometimes, we are a part of what makes others angry and this is what I am trying to say. If we can manage to realize that we make mistakes but also have to ability to realize and correct those mistakes, we could muster the strength to be more "civil".

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4 minutes ago, Saiyko said:

And what is the point of this post?

choose:

 

- less anger, more fun

- better gameplay through better communication

- a "buff" to every team through less psychological negative impact

- a happier life

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7 minutes ago, antean said:

Some players do admit to making mistakes & fudging up. It doesn't happen that often but it does happen. As to 'toxicity', Atankean, some players deserve what they get.

and you are the judge Antean? you decide what kind of players deserve what? do they deserve a second chance I wonder? I fudged up in some games but in some I carried, what should be my sentence? you wanna be the first to throw the stone?

 

7 minutes ago, antean said:

whining (apparently)

appearances can deceive

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Usually the most solanine filled whining about teammates comes from the players who end up being the worst of the team.

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17 minutes ago, Atankean said:

look at it this way, you just have done your part ;).

 

Unlike yourself telling us all we are full of "what comes out of our behinds"...

 

3 minutes ago, Atankean said:

and you are the judge Antean? you decide what kind of players deserve what? do they deserve a second chance I wonder? I fudged up in some games but in some I carried, what should be my sentence? you wanna be the first to throw the stone?

 

appearances can deceive

 

So...are you? That notion that you have to be completely clean of any guilt to be able to posit an opinion is quite useless right? You can see that if someone points it out?

 

Ah forgot: yes, the OP is a whine, man up, the internet has nothing on real world interactions.

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9 minutes ago, GER_Sushi_Lover said:

Why admit mistakes if there are other people. That's what most people think, I see it here, in real life, from others and, most importantly, from me. But that is human imo. The only thing WG could change is to implement an actual anti-insult system, but that wouldn't stop others from insulting others. And there are/were enough threads like that/similar ones, and nothing changed. So why should it now? Just get over it and don't expect things from others that are obviously against their natural behaviour.... Helped me atleast.

I hope WG never implements something like that. That is the "Safe Space" talk and I will have none of it. What, we are too weak? little Snowflakes always reliant on big brother to protect us? No..never.

 

Why admit mistakes? because that is the only way to get better then the other people. If you dont admit mistakes then you will not ever realize that there is room for improvement and before you know, "the others" will be ahead and maybe so far that even your insults will not reach them anymore. The others are of no concern. It is the "I" that you should first take care of, then and only then can you think of others.

 

Getting better is also Human by the way.

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1 minute ago, Turnipsi said:

Usually the most solanine filled whining about teammates comes from the players who end up being the worst of the team.

Ironic isnt it?

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2 minutes ago, Atankean said:

Ironic isnt it?

It has cemented itself as the standard in  multiplayer games so firmly that the irony has become lost.

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2 minutes ago, Juanx said:

Unlike yourself telling us all we are full of "what comes out of our behinds"... 

we all are, especially after a good meal. That is a fact!

 

2 minutes ago, Juanx said:

So...are you? That notion that you have to be completely clean of any guilt to be able to posit an opinion is quite useless right? You can see that if someone points it out?

I must admit that I dont understand you clearly here...sorry. But No I am no judge and I cannot be. To be that I would have to know you better then you yourself which is..difficult to say the least. I never said that you have to be completely clean of anything but as I said, I dont quite understand your meaning here so excuse me if I get something wrong.

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After ur answer I am asking myself what you actually wanted to achieve with this thread. No hard feelings, I just don't understand it, it seems.

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1 minute ago, Turnipsi said:

It has cemented itself as the standard in  multiplayer games so firmly that the irony has become lost.

oh its still there, irony does not just disappear but it seems we have an uncanny ability to blend it out.

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5 minutes ago, Atankean said:

oh its still there, irony does not just disappear but it seems we have an uncanny ability to blend it out.

Alright, now that we've agreed upon that, what is the point of your thread? Those people are the same kind of people who don't visit the forums, who don't read/watch guides and who have no intention of getting better.

 

Their idea of fun is to fail their way to tier 10 so they can whine about their team more and continue to turn a blind eye to their inability to get better.

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Just now, GER_Sushi_Lover said:

After ur answer I am asking myself what you actually wanted to achieve with this thread. No hard feelings, I just don't understand it, it seems.

Imagine a Horse making fun of another Horse because he has a "long face" would you not find that funny and weird?

 

That is what happening in ingame chat. People are insulting each other without realizing that they are just taking turns. There is no one that is "right" the whole time and I see that. Maybe I have seen that going on for a minute too long so I felt the need to post this. I really dont know if that explains it though.

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