IJN funboats => HMS Exeter: WG going full freejazz

[FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor]

"In order to break the rules, you first have to know what they are" or just insert some other BS new age mantra of your choice ;-)))

 

First they make this rule about penetration, see.

 

Then they introduced the Kitakaze and Harugumo, give them no defensive AA when these ships were dedicated AA destroyers much like Kidd.

 

Instead, they give them 100mm that pen like 152mm guns. The only thing 100mm about these things is their rate of fire, only more insane.

 

Then they give us this official line about the smoke firing concealment penalty being related to gun caliber.

 

Next: HMS Exeter, an upcoming Tier V 'heavy' cruiser, i.e. with 203mm guns.

 

Being a British cruiser, it gets smoke.

 

Now that wouldn't be fun if you could immediately spot her in that smoke just for firing her guns now, would it.

 

So the concealment for firing in smoke from THIS ship is now suddenly just 6.1 km.

 

Furutaka (same size guns) - 6.9km

Omaha etc (smaller guns) - 6.9 km

Krasny Krim (MUCH smaller guns) - 6.6 km

 

Funniiieee.

 

 

 

[wilkatis_LV]

And what's their normal concealment, not just gun caliber? That too matters

And firing range? Probably a part of it aswell

 

Looking at just 1 thing doesn't paint the whole picture.

[quickr]

Work in progress

Stats might change

[FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor]

20 hours ago, wilkatis_LV said:

And what's their normal concealment, not just gun caliber? That too matters

And firing range? Probably a part of it aswell

Why should that matter when smoke invalidates these other spotting mechanics and you only have 'assured acquisition' any more?

 

20 hours ago, quickr said:

Work in progress

Stats might change

Seems to be pretty much the same line they gave regarding Belfast, Giulio...

[MK1D]

3 minutes ago, quickr said:

Work in progress

Stats might change

WoRk iN pRoGreSs

StAtS mIGhT cHaNgE

[quickr]

Just now, Nautical_Metaphor said:

Seems to be pretty much the same line they gave regarding Belfast, Giulio...

You are just repeating what ship jesus said in the vid. If you wan to jump his bandwagon, by all means, go for it.

 

All I'm saying is, lets not grab pitchforks until ship is released. There is a test phase for every ship, and it's still very early for Exeter.

 

Just now, MK1D said:

WoRk iN pRoGreSs

StAtS mIGhT cHaNgE

I don't speak Gen Z language, if you gonna quote me, please make a valid point.

[fumtu]

16 minutes ago, Nautical_Metaphor said:

Why should that matter when smoke invalidates these other spotting mechanics and you only have 'assured acquisition' any more?

 

Penalty for firing in smoke is calculated by both gun caliber and base concealment. That's why for example Neptune has worse detection when firing from smoke then Mino or Edinburgh.

[DanSilverwing]

19 minutes ago, fumtu said:

 

Penalty for firing in smoke is calculated by both gun caliber and base concealment. That's why for example Neptune has worse detection when firing from smoke then Mino or Edinburgh.

That jump from 5.5km to 6.6km was a very rude surprise.

 

British Cruiser players are going to have to mentally re-adjust from the 4.6km of Emerald to the current 6.1km of Exeter.

[fumtu]

Just now, DanSilverwing said:

British Cruiser players are going to have to mentally re-adjust from the 4.6km of Emerald to the current 6.1km of Exeter.

 

Only if Exeter concealment remain that low, unless, like many hopes, she get moved to T6 where she should be with those stats.

[DanSilverwing]

4 minutes ago, fumtu said:

 

Only if Exeter concealment remain that low, unless, like many hopes, she get moved to T6 where she should be with those stats.

As you wish. Leander has the same smoke firing concealment as Emerald.

[Lord_WC]

It will be changed 3242134 times before it goes live. It's pointless to discuss it now.

[invicta2012]

 

1 hour ago, Nautical_Metaphor said:

Now that wouldn't be fun if you could immediately spot her in that smoke just for firing her guns now, would it.

 

So the concealment for firing in smoke from THIS ship is now suddenly just 6.1 km.

 

Furutaka (same size guns) - 6.9km

Omaha etc (smaller guns) - 6.9 km

Krasny Krim (MUCH smaller guns) - 6.6 km

Krasny Krym is never in smoke, comrade.  The Doughnut of Doom is always spotted, and is always firing back.

 

In any case: in reality the detectibility of a ship's gun flashes was dependent on the type of propellant used. The USS Helena was lost in battle because of this (all the other ships in her squadron had flashless powder available, she didn't, so was a much more obvious target for the torpedoes which eventually sank her). So let's say that Exeter has flashless ammo available and the others don't. Happy? 

[Smeggo]

Beware. The first iterations of the PEF were overpowered. And look what a bad ship was released in the end 

[FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor]

Vor 1 Stunde, fumtu sagte:

Penalty for firing in smoke is calculated by both gun caliber and base concealment.

Possibly fair enough.

 

So what is the rationale for even toying with the idea to give this ship 20% to 40% better base concealment than all the other same tier cruisers?

 

I'd say pure marketing, were it not for the sloppiness  they otherwise display, and the bloody-minded way in which they tend to just go through with this kind of thing.

 

[FishDogFoodShack]

20 hours ago, quickr said:

Work in progress

Stats might change

*edited*

[fumtu]

1 minute ago, Nautical_Metaphor said:

Possibly fair enough.

 

So what is the rationale for even toying with the idea to give this ship 20% to 40% better base concealment than all the other same tier cruisers?

 

I'd say pure marketing, were it not for the sloppiness  they otherwise display, and the bloddy-minded way in which they tend to just go through with this kind of thing.

 

 

These are just initial stats. Yes in current state Exeter does look too strong for T5. But this doesn't mean that she will keep them. I can understand that you may have some concerns regarding the ship but there is no need to overreact as, again, it is still very much WiP. 

 

IMO if WG decide to keep her at T5, Exeter would need some nerfs, hell even if they move it at T6 she might end too strong. Well I guess we can expect first round of testing after 0.8.0.

 

[FishDogFoodShack]

18 hours ago, fumtu said:

These are just initial stats.

*edited*

[philjd]

18 hours ago, FishDogFoodShack said:

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How  many flame wars have there been because WG  changed the stats between last review and release..... they cannot win it seems (not saying that they do not screw things up).

[Humorpalanta]

2 hours ago, fumtu said:

 

Penalty for firing in smoke is calculated by both gun caliber and base concealment. That's why for example Neptune has worse detection when firing from smoke then Mino or Edinburgh.

Sooo, if I put on a skill or module for more range then penalty will change?

[fumtu]

1 minute ago, Humorpalanta said:

Sooo, if I put on a skill or module for more range then penalty will change?

 

What? What range has to do with this? Penalty is always the same, it take into account base concealment, things like CE skill, concealment module or camo don't have any impact on this.

[DJ_Die]

It should fit T5. Yorks were horrible cruisers anyway. Besides with that range and at that tier you can have her get spotted at 8 km, now can you? Ships get much closer at those tiers. She might be good but i doubt she'll be the next Belfast. 

[lup3s]

8 minutes ago, DJ_Die said:

It should fit T5. Yorks were horrible cruisers anyway. Besides with that range and at that tier you can have her get spotted at 8 km, now can you? Ships get much closer at those tiers. She might be good but i doubt she'll be the next Belfast. 

 

Switch heal for radar et voila, a Belfast with torps

[allufewig]

18 hours ago, FishDogFoodShack said:

*edited*

 

We had stupid OP ships in test that did get changed last minute and we had stupid OP ships that were released as such.

 

Its like 50/50.

[invicta2012]

They could tone down the torps a bit - but really they need to make her a Tier V premium that will people will want to buy and play. I hope this is a sign (along with Viribus Unitis) that WG is going to stop treating Tiers IV and V as training areas.

[Pikkozoikum]

4 hours ago, Nautical_Metaphor said:

Furutaka (same size guns) - 6.9km

In case of the IJN, they use different HE shells in general. So no idea if that could be a explanation, different shells :)