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Firstly, I'm sorry that my first post isn't a positive one...

 

I can't say I'm enjoying too many of the Random games I've played in so far (regardless of whether my team wins/looses or I play good or bad), due to what I'd describe as a lack of effort by some and messing about by others. I'd guess that this is a fairly common sort of post on here but it's all new to me and I'd very much appreciate any and all input to try and rectify this, if that's at all possible.

 

Okay, I'm only at tier 4 and while I could afford a higher ship or two I've stuck with the Clemson for now as I'm unsure if the effort would justify any advance in the tiers at this time.

It's the amount of in game shenanigans that's doing my nut in. Deliberate team damage, AFK players, DDs doing their own thing and BBs either drifting along aimlessly helping no one or going full steam ahead into caps on their own, to name but a few. Even when you ask someone nicely to help or maybe just not clown about there's usually no reply and they carry on regardless. Maybe I've just been unlucky in my very limited 40 or so Random games that I've played so far? I have done around 650 or so co-op games trying out some ships and getting a few of the basics down a little better I hope, so here's hoping you don't feel I'm a complete donkey. *edited sonable degree of common sense and B) can handle their ship reasonably well too (going on my very limited knowledge of what they're doing), but they don't appear to be the norm thus far sadly. Hell, who knows, maybe it's just me!? I'm in my 50s, generally cranky (well, at least in this game), I don't get out much and I haven't got my leg over in ages...so all things are entirely possible.

 

Just to clarify in case you're already quaffing on your muesli/vindaloo/halibut etc, I certainly don't consider myself to be any good at this WoW malarkey at all. I've not taken to it like a duck to water like some younger types may have but I think I've got some of the basics down now. I try to keep the bigger picture/my team in the forefront of my mind and will try and spot mistakes in the offing by the opposition and try to punish them if at all possible. I've also had a fairly long peruse through some of the better known Youtuber's vids on battles, tactics and general game play which I hope has helped too.

 

So finally on to the questions...

 

Are my games likely to become more enjoyable for me as I progress in tiers do you feel? Is it maybe worth putting a concerted effort into say a cruiser line or two, for example (I don't think I could stomach BBs or CVs by the way)? Would a clan/outfit help at all for a little more sensible game play (mind you, I still like a good laugh if at all possible) or is it simply a case of me getting my leg over after all?'

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I am kinda on a break right now, because I got tired of all the steamrolls. The lack of quality matches broke me down, so I decided to do some other stuff besides this game.

 

There are certainly more enjoyful ships ahead and the gameplay will also change the higher you go. But it is kinda personal whether you will like this or not. Taking a pause is never a bad idea though ;)

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41 minutes ago, ishqwishq said:

Are my games likely to become more enjoyable for me as I progress in tiers do you feel? Is it maybe worth putting a concerted effort into say a cruiser line or two, for example (I don't think I could stomach BBs or CVs by the way)? Would a clan/outfit help at all for a little more sensible game play (mind you, I still like a good laugh if at all possible) or is it simply a case of me getting my leg over after all?'

Without knowing how many games you've played, and in which ships, advice will be a bit general (you have your stats hidden), and enjoyment is a very personal thing.

  • I found the game became more fun once I got the hang of it a bit more (although I'm still pretty bad, by most objective standards).
  • In the lower tiers, especially when you have a low battle count, you are often playing with people with little idea how to play the game, or how it even works in many cases; this does improve a bit as you go higher.
  • I would suggest playing all three major classes, at least a bit; that'll give you a sense of what they all can/can't do, which'll help with improvement, plus you're more likely to find the class/nation combination that appeals to you (for example, I'm not much good with BBs, but massively prefer playing the KM ones to most others, as they have a play style I enjoy more). Be aware that cruisers are perhaps the hardest class to play at the moment, at least in part because they are very vulnerable to BBs, whilst not being able to hide like a DD usually can.
  • Definitely join a clan - besides it being easier to find people to division with (who should be at least vaguely working in a coordinated way with you), you should get some useful resource/economic bonuses, assuming their base is at least partially built.
  • Spend as long as you like at mid-tiers; the 'point' of the game is not to get to T10, although WG like you to do so, as they tend to make more money when people do that. Progress up the tiers in a measured way, taking the time to acquire/polish the necessary skills for each step. If you're only at T4, be mindful that opponents get tougher when you hit T5: that's the point where you start to face +2 tier opponents.
  • Take the time to develop skilled captains - for example, CE (concealment expert) is pretty much essential from middle tiers; you'll have more fun if you aren't being out-spotted all the time.
  • If you haven't found it already, have a look at the wiki (http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/World_of_Warships) and watch some of iChase's YouTube videos - the captains academy series. More information will make it easier for your efforts to counter the inevitable potatoes on your team.
  • Keep asking questions on here: people are always happy to help (generally), and there may be a simple (albeit non-obvious) answer to something that might be bugging you.
  • Be patient as much as possible - the game has a long learning curve, which means you can face frustration along the way, but it does tend to mean it takes longer to get dull.
  • Take breaks - sometimes, you just are having a bad day/bad luck etc. Say "knickers to it" and go and do something else for a bit (this goes at least double when you get to things like Ranked!).

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14 minutes ago, wilkatis_LV said:

Some kind of a hidden advertisement? :cap_hmm:

OP - you may well have some sort of nasty in your browser...

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1 hour ago, ishqwishq said:

Deliberate team damage

I would guess this would be mostly torpedoes, from either DD's or CV's. This is most likely from new players still figuring out how these things work. In one of my first CV games I accidently sunk a DD, the next game I hit a cruiser with 2 torps. I did learn my lesson and never torped a friendly again on my CV, but yeah, these things can happen in the lower tier.

 

1 hour ago, ishqwishq said:

AFK players

This is always a risk, but it might be that they crashed when the game started.

 

1 hour ago, ishqwishq said:

DDs doing their own thing and BBs either drifting along aimlessly helping no one or going full steam ahead into caps on their own, to name but a few.

DD's usually do their own thing (asuming they are capping, spotting and harrassing) and the BB's at tier 3/4 are still learning where they need to be, so yes, some will snipe from the rear, some will rush in. This will improve at higher tiers.

 

But even then, some games go perfect, some fall apart within minutes and some games are exciting and tense untill the last minute / shots / points.

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16 hours ago, ishqwishq said:

Hell, who knows, maybe it's just me!? I'm in my 50s, generally cranky (well, at least in this game), I don't get out much and I haven't got my leg over in ages...so all things are entirely possible.

 

As a new player myself I think playing the 'age card' is a mistake, I'm older than you and don't feel being young and nimble is a requirement in WoWs (unlike some aspects of WoT). It seems to me more like a game of chess and not to give anything away cheaply or without a point. Which makes me think playing your 650 games in Co-Op is too many, it's an entirely different type of play and with no real jeopardy in losing it means winning becomes too easily expected. Which makes Randoms a shock when you realise those aren't bots firing back at you.

 

So far I've made all the new player mistakes (I swear my teammate turned into my torpedoes otherwise they'd have missed him) but I'm learning far more in Random battles than Co-Op mode. So my advice would be to go back down the tiers and play tier 1 again while training your Commanders. It seems to be the only tier where peer pressure (Get back!) can consistently wrangle a mob into a team, and in a microcosm of simple play you learn the margins between living or dying can be very fine, and I'm sure finesse is what's needed the higher you go.

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Am 11.1.2019 um 18:59, ishqwishq sagte:

Deliberate team damage,

I don't see that a lot, not even in the low tiers. It's mostly negligent torping. Most players learn fairly quickly though that you better not torp from behind team mates because there are plenty more senior players even in the low tiers who tell them. Actual premeditated TK-ing and even griefing/trolling are far less common than in World of Tanks for example. It's annoying when it happens but it happens infrequently.
 

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AFK players

I'd say there's one every other game or so. There is rarely one that doesn't wake up for the whole game. Some also get disconnected during the game. It has all happened to me as well. There is little you can do about it other than treat it as a fact of life (and buy a fast enough computer if that's your problem and you are the always-afk dude.)
 

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DDs doing their own thing

No disrespect but at your stage, you can not always be the judge if what they're doing is good or bad.

 

And you wouldn't want others to judge your tactical expertise either, trust me.

 

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and BBs either drifting along aimlessly helping no one or going full steam ahead into caps on their own, to name but a few.

Yeah that gets better the higher you go, by and large. Cynical forum and chat bitching notwithstanding.

 

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Even when you ask someone nicely to help or maybe just not clown about there's usually no reply and they carry on regardless.

 

Crew ressource management is a skill and a challenge. Just as with any other decision in the game, the unsubtle approach is not always the best. Try to find a way to get them to do good things when you're in the mood, and don't do it when you're not. It's usually best if you can make it so they think it was their own idea.

 

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Maybe I've just been unlucky in my very limited 40 or so Random games that I've played so far?

 

At that stage you have hardly met any real players and mostly bots, friend. Protected matchmaking. The ones with the names in :colons: Up to account level 11 or something thereabouts.

 

http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Account_Level

 

Even they are known to TK though, not kidding.

 

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