Bismark, rant?

[Butterdoll]

First of all, I don't know if this is a rant. I think I need to outburst? My feelings.

 

And there I was, today I upgraded my hull, but after I have chosen the modules to put in there (the fat lady, finally is starting to sing) I really didn't needed it, but having a sort of Cleveland is nice. (nevermind the cv rework, for now).

Then I saw the arrow pointing to the t9 BB. And my mind started to wondering off...

And I though to myself. Here, in front of my eyes, lays the greatest ship of the Atlantic war in the 40's and completely overtaken my a fantasy ship.

then I though of Yamato.

What did Yamato? It was sunk by planes...and, that's it.

Yes it's true, the Japanese leaders are to blame, they released Yamato way to late in war in a suicide mission and the Americans didn't fall for that.

While the British with their Royal Navy and Royal air Force were experts in creating legends with the help of Hitler and the KriegsMarine, it was very early on that Hitler turned his attentions to tanks, planes, U-boats, lost interest in the completion of the German Navy, and the head figures  of the German Navy  didn't want another Jutland.

The result was stories like Graf Spee, Gneisenau, Scharnhorst, Prinz Eugen, Tirpitz, and the greatest of them all, Bismark.

From the beginning (when the flotilla leave port) right to when Hood was sunk and the days after, until the sinking of that Giant, the all story is like reading about GC or Hannibal Barca or even Jason and the golden Fleece, or a Romance about pirates during the pirate's golden age, it's up there.

Tirpitz stole Churchill sleep for a long period of time  only because of Bismark. Even after it was sunk, Bismark could cast a shadow. (beat that Yamato).

Churchill didn't want another Bismark spreading havoc.

Again, how many ships were tasked to hunt Bismark? 

 

It is not fair.

 

It was with this thoughts and state of mind, that I went to the next battle.

Then I did this.

 

 

 

How this is even possible?

 

And I have another one, not only with a cruiser but with the Pensa.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Ubertron_X]

You need to clean your screen, there are some spiderwebs on it...

[El2aZeR]

On 1/3/2019 at 1:58 AM, Butterdoll said:

How this is even possible?

 

If you take a look at the armor scheme there is a small gap between the turtleback and the citadel itself. It is possible, albeit difficult to hit that gap through the bow/stern and thus score citadel hits at certain angles.

[Guest]

There, Aerroon explained it:

 

[Bear__Necessities]

[That_Other_Nid]

It was a resurrected WWI battleship design with bad engines and worse armour.  It and it's sister were only a threat because of geography and the weather. 

[HaachamaShipping]

6 hours ago, Butterdoll said:

First of all, I don't know if this is a rant. I think I need to outburst? My feelings.

 

And there I was, today I upgraded my hull, but after I have chosen the modules to put in there (the fat lady, finally is starting to sing) I really didn't needed it, but having a sort of Cleveland is nice. (nevermind the cv rework, for now).

Then I saw the arrow pointing to the t9 BB. And my mind started to wondering off...

And I though to myself. Here, in front of my eyes, lays the greatest ship of the Atlantic war in the 40's and completely overtaken my a fantasy ship.

then I though of Yamato.

What did Yamato? It was sunk by planes...and, that's it.

Yes it's true, the Japanese leaders are to blame, they released Yamato way to late in war in a suicide mission and the Americans didn't fall for that.

While the British with their Royal Navy and Royal air Force were experts in creating legends with the help of Hitler and the KriegsMarine, it was very early on that Hitler turned his attentions to tanks, planes, U-boats, lost interest in the completion of the German Navy, and the head figures  of the German Navy  didn't want another Jutland.

The result was stories like Graf Spee, Gneisenau, Scharnhorst, Prinz Eugen, Tirpitz, and the greatest of them all, Bismark.

From the beginning (when the flotilla leave port) right to when Hood was sunk and the days after, until the sinking of that Giant, the all story is like reading about GC or Hannibal Barca or even Jason and the golden Fleece, or a Romance about pirates during the pirate's golden age, it's up there.

Tirpitz stole Churchill sleep for a long period of time  only because of Bismark. Even after it was sunk, Bismark could cast a shadow. (beat that Yamato).

Churchill didn't want another Bismark spreading havoc.

Again, how many ships were tasked to hunt Bismark? 

 

It is not fair.

What's not fair? That wehraboo feelings got hurt by Bismarck being a decent T8 based on technical specifications and not being put at T10 because of whatever overhyped narrative of how powerful the Bismarck was?

 

Want a Wehrabingo to feel better?

7 hours ago, Butterdoll said:

First of all, I don't know if this is a rant.

It is a rant.

[159Hunter]

And for the love of God OP: use premium DCP and heal.

[fallenkezef]

5 hours ago, Bear_Necessities said:

 

The British are specialists in winning when we have no right to.

[Juanx]

7 hours ago, Butterdoll said:

 

You did this in march but post it now?

 

Yes its a rant.

[kfa]

Just now, Juanx said:

 

You did this in march but post it now?

 

Yes its a rant.

He is kinda slow. He was "wondering"

[Notmi]

9 hours ago, That_Other_Nid said:

It was a resurrected WWI battleship design with bad engines and worse armour.  It and it's sister were only a threat because of geography and the weather. 

Agreed (on the tone of your post, maybe not the details). I think Bismarck is the most overrated battleship ever.

[Amon_ITA]

10 hours ago, That_Other_Nid said:

It was a resurrected WWI battleship design with bad engines and worse armour.  It and it's sister were only a threat because of geography and the weather. 

 

Ships are sometimes designed around the geography and the weather they are supposed to operate in. Bismarck was at least as far as i know.

 

With that in mind i would not go to the extend of writing what you wrote. 50% win rate with 1 kill and one death for a total of 2 games is not enough, i think, to have an idea if this ship was good or not :)

[Exocet6951]

2 minutes ago, Amon_ITA said:

 

Ships are sometimes designed around the geography and the weather they are supposed to operate in. Bismarck was at least as far as i know.

 

With that in mind i would not go to the extend of writing what you wrote. 50% win rate with 1 kill and one death for a total of 2 games is not enough, i think, to have an idea if this ship was good or not :)

 

Hey now, add to that a noob in a B hull that camped in a fjord and did nothing! 

 

That's a 25%wr 

 

Pls buff 

[Mr_Tayto]

Jesus Christ OP... Are you playing on a raspberry pi with a 5in screen? Or some kind of smart watch?

[Amon_ITA]

1 minute ago, Exocet6951 said:

 

Hey now, add to that a noob in a B hull that camped in a fjord and did nothing! 

 

That's a 25%wr 

 

Pls buff 

 

Well well, that noob in the tirpitz kept half of the enemy fleet occupied too ... 

[Exocet6951]

1 minute ago, Amon_ITA said:

 

Well well, that noob in the tirpitz kept half of the enemy fleet occupied too ... 

Lemming train vs island camper, the original version 

[That_Other_Nid]

On 1/3/2019 at 6:21 AM, Amon_ITA said:

With that in mind i would not go to the extend of writing what you wrote. 50% win rate with 1 kill and one death for a total of 2 games is not enough, i think, to have an idea if this ship was good or not :)

It was a first world war design with terrible armour layout. It's armour was low alloy, high carbon, face hardened steel which was welded. The welds broke, the armour was soft near the welds and the the main armour deck was on the water line so the crew was in the space above where the AP shells detonated. The crew was slaughtered in this space and the ship quickly lost the ability to operate because this space became a fire storm when the shells penetrated and opened up the funnels into this space. If the nazis had a pair of Iowas or KGVs with their longer range, heavier AA and better armour layout, they would have been infinitely more effective. 

[Zemeritt]

Yet another Wehraboo mispelling Bismarck

[Linkaex]

Ah the Pensacola at T7. 

 

That makes me wonder how long it took for the OP to write his post 

[Praevasc]

1 hour ago, Linkaex said:

Ah the Pensacola at T7. 

 

That makes me wonder how long it took for the OP to write his post 

 

The Pensacola doing citadels? How is that supposed to be news for anyone? Isn't that the only thing she excels at, besides being blown up if someone sneezes too hard in her general direction?

 

Next time someone will be surprised that the Pensacola can be penetrated by DD AP, right?

[Culiacan_Mexico]

23 hours ago, Butterdoll said:

The result was stories like Graf Spee, Gneisenau, Scharnhorst, Prinz Eugen, Tirpitz, and the greatest of them all, Bismark.

This is a good list of German idiocy as it relates to WW2 naval warfare.

[That_Other_Nid]

19 hours ago, Culiacan_Mexico said:

This is a good list of German idiocy as it relates to WW2 naval warfare.

Well yeah, there is scuttled, sank, sank, sank, hid in baltic, sank and sank. Much to be proud of if you're a Brit.

[El2aZeR]

2 hours ago, Praevasc said:

The Pensacola doing citadels? How is that supposed to be news for anyone?

 

Nah, it's that the Pensa in the screenshot is still T7, which means that the screenshot/replay is at least over half a year old.

[Verdius]

12 hours ago, Amon_ITA said:

With that in mind i would not go to the extend of writing what you wrote. 50% win rate with 1 kill and one death for a total of 2 games is not enough, i think, to have an idea if this ship was good or not :)

Wars aren't about k/d ratios, nor does a good k/d ratio make a war winning vehicle.

 

On 1/3/2019 at 1:58 AM, Butterdoll said:

The result was stories like Graf Spee, Gneisenau, Scharnhorst, Prinz Eugen, Tirpitz, and the greatest of them all, Bismark.

 

Stories of getting sunk on your maiden voyage you mean? Out of all of them the most damage that Bismarck did was sink 1 ship and hurt British pride.

Out of all of them both of the Bismarck class have some of the most pathetic combat records. Graf Spee fought in 1 battle and had to scuttle immediatly afterwards, Eugen was present (and might have been the one to sink Hood instead of Bismarck) and didn't accomplish much of note for the rest of the war aside from getting engine failures and being torped, oh and nuked after the americans took her.
Like seriously, the greatest out of that list?

The only ones that you list that actually accomplished anything were the Scharnhorsts.